Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[Ballerhogger]

Klutch played this so poorly. They should of demanded for a trade but showed up anyways to get paid . If the team wanted bench him make them make that choice .Still would of gotten all his money

[Mik317]

the fact that he didn't want to even face his teammates probably leans towards him not being a Jimmy Butler at practice.

Pretty sure the locker room will rally around him actually.

[TYO23]

the fact that he didn't want to even face his teammates probably leans towards him not being a Jimmy Butler at practice.

Pretty sure the locker room will rally around him actually.

I agree I don’t think it’s any strong feelings of resentment or anything. They all seem to like him even with the whole situation.

[Negrodamus]

the fact that he didn't want to even face his teammates probably leans towards him not being a Jimmy Butler at practice.

Pretty sure the locker room will rally around him actually.

It’s kind of hard to make your point when you’re only aggressively passing to the third stringers in the scrimmage.

[freshie2]

But will he be able to shoot FTs now??

Probably the best possible outcome short of getting Beal or Lillard.

[Sixersftw]

But will he be able to shoot FTs now??

Probably the best possible outcome short of getting Beal or Lillard.

Beal/Lillard is still on the table.

[Sixerscan]

But will he be able to shoot FTs now??

Probably the best possible outcome short of getting Beal or Lillard.

Honestly more concerned about this question in the event he plays than whether he actually plays.

[Sixersftw]

But will he be able to shoot FTs now??

Probably the best possible outcome short of getting Beal or Lillard.

Honestly more concerned about this question in the event he plays than whether he actually plays.

I can alleviate this concern.

The answer is no.

[mithrandir17]

What if the terms of Ben showing up is that he will only play in games where Embiid is out due to load management or injury, will that somehow increase his trade value? With this, teams who are willing to trade for him can look at some games where Ben is the focal point of the team. Surround Ben with Tobias, Green, Curry and Milton and you have multiple games where it is just Ben and four shooters.

With this kind of setup, Ben will still be paid but not play all games.

[stormi]

This is hilarious. Best drama on television.

Sports are the true soap operas

[Negrodamus]

What if the terms of Ben showing up is that he will only play in games where Embiid is out due to load management or injury, will that somehow increase his trade value? With this, teams who are willing to trade for him can look at some games where Ben is the focal point of the team. Surround Ben with Tobias, Green, Curry and Milton and you have multiple games where it is just Ben and four shooters.

With this kind of setup, Ben will still be paid but not play all games.

This goes back to the "leverage" discussion. What if Morey just says "no" and continues to not pay him and waits for a better trade to come along? I don't see the merit (for the FO) of using unmotivated Ben for 30 games to pay him 82.

[phiphan]

Damn, imagine the booing when he’s first introduced or shown on the jumbo-tron. The only way he recovers his rep here is if he plays his ass off and they win their first 10 games in a row.

[Sixerscan]

What if the terms of Ben showing up is that he will only play in games where Embiid is out due to load management or injury, will that somehow increase his trade value? With this, teams who are willing to trade for him can look at some games where Ben is the focal point of the team. Surround Ben with Tobias, Green, Curry and Milton and you have multiple games where it is just Ben and four shooters.

With this kind of setup, Ben will still be paid but not play all games.

This goes back to the "leverage" discussion. What if Morey just says "no" and continues to not pay him and waits for a better trade to come along? I don't see the merit (for the FO) of using unmotivated Ben for 30 games to pay him 82.

This reminds me of that Jim O'Brien year when Willie Green wouldn't play, except when Iverson sat out games, at which point Green would start and take the most shots on the team.

Anyway that was a bad idea and so would this probably. Teams don't work with guys only being halfway in.

[stormi]

Yeah the only "leverage" gained here is there was perception by some that there would be pressure put on Sixers to make a trade if Simmons sat out and the Sixers started out slow. I think most people on here felt that the Sixers weren't going to feel that pressure to just win a couple extra regular season games, but that perception was out there. Windhorst said it on his podcast.

Of course he could still sit out or not give full effort.

Or worse, doing that while bitching to the press constantly.

I just don't see the positives of him coming back for the team at this rate.

The report states that Klutch representatives and the Sixers have been working together to reach resolution. I find it hard to believe that Klutch/Ben would be communicating with Morey and his superiors with ulterior motives in the back of their mind. That would be career suicide for Rich Paul. Ben could show up and claim injury or whatever if he simply just wanted to finesse his money - but this seems to be a more mutually agreed upon approach.

If Ben comes back to Philadelphia I'm sure he'll be a consummate professional. If he absolutely doesn't want to be here he'll stay in his Hidden Hills mansion.

[jbent87]

the fact that he didn't want to even face his teammates probably leans towards him not being a Jimmy Butler at practice.

Pretty sure the locker room will rally around him actually.

I agree I don’t think it’s any strong feelings of resentment or anything. They all seem to like him even with the whole situation.

cool, so Danny Green will once again vocalize after games that we the fans are the problem, not the superstar making 30M who instead of promising to get better after costing us a playoff series, took his ball and went home.

[Sixerscan]

Yeah the only "leverage" gained here is there was perception by some that there would be pressure put on Sixers to make a trade if Simmons sat out and the Sixers started out slow. I think most people on here felt that the Sixers weren't going to feel that pressure to just win a couple extra regular season games, but that perception was out there. Windhorst said it on his podcast.

Of course he could still sit out or not give full effort.

Or worse, doing that while bitching to the press constantly.

I just don't see the positives of him coming back for the team at this rate.

The report states that Klutch representatives and the Sixers have been working together to reach resolution. I find it hard to believe that Klutch/Ben would be communicating with Morey and his superiors with ulterior motives in the back of their mind. That would be career suicide for Rich Paul. Ben could simply show up and claim injury or whatever if he simply just wanted to finesse his money - but this seems to be a more mutually agreed upon approach.

If Ben comes back to Philadelphia I'm sure he'll be a consummate professional. If he absolutely doesn't want to be here he'll stay in his Hidden Hills mansion.

Hard disagree. Could definitely see them trying to finesse a way so he gets paid while putting forth the minimal amount of effort. It's been alluded to through Klutch sources for months. "even if he shows up don't get expect the same guy" etc.

[FlyingArrow]

What if the terms of Ben showing up is that he will only play in games where Embiid is out due to load management or injury, will that somehow increase his trade value? With this, teams who are willing to trade for him can look at some games where Ben is the focal point of the team. Surround Ben with Tobias, Green, Curry and Milton and you have multiple games where it is just Ben and four shooters.

With this kind of setup, Ben will still be paid but not play all games.

This goes back to the "leverage" discussion. What if Morey just says "no" and continues to not pay him and waits for a better trade to come along? I don't see the merit (for the FO) of using unmotivated Ben for 30 games to pay him 82.

Not pay him if he shows up for work? There's a contract. Just like Ben can't get paid for not working, the Sixers can't just choose not to pay him if he does show up for work. They don't have to play him, of course, but not paying him? That's a lawsuit they'd lose easily.

[stormi]

Or worse, doing that while bitching to the press constantly.

I just don't see the positives of him coming back for the team at this rate.

The report states that Klutch representatives and the Sixers have been working together to reach resolution. I find it hard to believe that Klutch/Ben would be communicating with Morey and his superiors with ulterior motives in the back of their mind. That would be career suicide for Rich Paul. Ben could simply show up and claim injury or whatever if he simply just wanted to finesse his money - but this seems to be a more mutually agreed upon approach.

If Ben comes back to Philadelphia I'm sure he'll be a consummate professional. If he absolutely doesn't want to be here he'll stay in his Hidden Hills mansion.

Hard disagree. Could definitely see them trying to finesse a way so he gets paid while putting forth the minimal amount of effort. It's been alluded to through Klutch sources for months. "even if he shows up don't get expect the same guy" etc.

And how exactly does throwing his tantrum help him get traded. Or is he just so narrow-minded that not only does he not care about his current situation, but he's also willing to throw his potential future earnings away because he's that much of a liability and a headcase.

[jbent87]

What if the terms of Ben showing up is that he will only play in games where Embiid is out due to load management or injury, will that somehow increase his trade value? With this, teams who are willing to trade for him can look at some games where Ben is the focal point of the team. Surround Ben with Tobias, Green, Curry and Milton and you have multiple games where it is just Ben and four shooters.

With this kind of setup, Ben will still be paid but not play all games.

and he's just supposed to hang around the facility/at practice/in the weight room with the rest of the team, as those guys gravitate toward the best player/MVP candidate, who literally makes everyone in the world better besides Ben? Yeah I don't think that's going to work.

Bringing him back in any capacity such as that is putting a turd in the punch bowl then going around serving it to everyone involved. If he's back, a large part of it is going to entail him with his tail between his legs. No more tough guy fake leverage stuff, vilifying the best player on the team to deflect attention from how **** you are.

[Sixersftw]

The report states that Klutch representatives and the Sixers have been working together to reach resolution. I find it hard to believe that Klutch/Ben would be communicating with Morey and his superiors with ulterior motives in the back of their mind. That would be career suicide for Rich Paul. Ben could simply show up and claim injury or whatever if he simply just wanted to finesse his money - but this seems to be a more mutually agreed upon approach.

If Ben comes back to Philadelphia I'm sure he'll be a consummate professional. If he absolutely doesn't want to be here he'll stay in his Hidden Hills mansion.

Hard disagree. Could definitely see them trying to finesse a way so he gets paid while putting forth the minimal amount of effort. It's been alluded to through Klutch sources for months. "even if he shows up don't get expect the same guy" etc.

And how exactly does this help him get traded. Or is he so shortsighted that not only does he care about getting traded, but he's also willing to throw his potential future earnings away because he's that much of a liability and a headcase.

These guys obviously don't have a very well thought out plan. They have a conclusion they would like and the rest of it is half baked. I can easily see them saying this is the next step in their "plan"