Ben Simmons, 76ers Working On Resolution To Report To Team

[Sixteen]

What exactly did Sixers do wrong? For the past four years, all I've heard on these boards is Sixers are too soft with Ben and that they don't put enough pressure on him to improve... Now it's the remix. Which is it? While the world was running the Ben Simmons thing into the ground all season long, who was there to support and build him up? Philly was. And that's everybody, from the coach, fans, and Morey.

[luciano-davidwesley]

This relationship is not repairable? People have repaired relationships in far worse situations. Only people who were hoping Philly got screwed and ended up traded Ben for peanuts would honestly believe that

PHI shouldn't want to repair it. They should be trading him as soon as possible to get the new faces in before camp is over. PHI has a solid core without Simmons. Getting off his money and adding depth is a win.

It's about getting his value back up. I'm not Interested in Ben Simmons long term as a Sixers fan, but I'm not going to just give him away like some of these vultures have been salivating for. He's too valuable. You want him, cough up some real value.

Given his contract, crappy attitude and limitations he's not valuable. He's a net negative given his contract.

[Sixteen]

People just want it both ways. Damned if you do & damned if you don't. Could Doc have worded his answer better? Sure, but at some point, some honesty is necessary. Everyone else has taken ownership for their contribution to the Sixers losing, it was Ben that decided to play victim. Tobias got flamed last year, and he came back a better player. Is that too much to ask for Ben? I personally don't think what Embiid said was wrong at all. What league are we in where the best player on the team and one of the best players in the league can't give honest criticism on his teammates? Imagine MJs teammates getting in their feelings over honest, reasonable criticism. League and fans have just gotten so soft

[Sixteen]

PHI shouldn't want to repair it. They should be trading him as soon as possible to get the new faces in before camp is over. PHI has a solid core without Simmons. Getting off his money and adding depth is a win.

It's about getting his value back up. I'm not Interested in Ben Simmons long term as a Sixers fan, but I'm not going to just give him away like some of these vultures have been salivating for. He's too valuable. You want him, cough up some real value.

Given his contract, crappy attitude and limitations he's not valuable. He's a net negative given his contract.

That remains to be seen. But I'll be sure to check back in with these post when he finally gets traded. 25 year old 6'10 defensive studs that can run like a guard and see the floor with the best of them don't grow on trees, and we're not just going to give him away. Maybe Ben realizes that nobody will value him the way Philly does and get out his feelings a bit

[luciano-davidwesley]

It's about getting his value back up. I'm not Interested in Ben Simmons long term as a Sixers fan, but I'm not going to just give him away like some of these vultures have been salivating for. He's too valuable. You want him, cough up some real value.

Given his contract, crappy attitude and limitations he's not valuable. He's a net negative given his contract.

That remains to be seen. But I'll be sure to check back in with these post when he finally gets traded. 25 year old 6'10 defensive studs that can run like a guard and see the floor with the best of them don't grow on trees, and we're not just going to give him away. Maybe Ben realizes that nobody will value him the way Philly does and get out his feelings a bit

Is he a very good player? Of course.
Is he a good use of $33-$40 million a year for the next four years of a teams salary cap? Probably not.

[inquisitive]

Money talks and his bulls* ain’t talking till now

[kalel123]

This relationship is not repairable? People have repaired relationships in far worse situations. Only people who were hoping Philly got screwed and ended up traded Ben for peanuts would honestly believe that

All Simmons has to do is report back, start playing like a dog, and have Sixers lose games. He has 4 years left on his contract, they can't fine him for bad performance, and he'll figure he'll have plenty of time to build his value back up in FA market after Sixers trade him.

Of course they can fine him for intentionally throwing games or making bad plays. Very few of us can get away with intentional negligence at our jobs. (I'm self employed, so I guess I can. )

More importantly, it takes a very special kind of person to have so little pride that you are willing to dog it in front of thousands of fans. People tend to forget that Harden did it in empty arenas.

Not sure if you are actually serious on the first part since your statement's factually wrong. i.e. again, can't fine a player for bad performance. Or maybe I'm not getting the intended joke.

More importantly, it takes a very special kind of person to actually sit out with 4 years left on his contract. We are looking at a very special kind of person right now and don't think he's any less mad about the whole situation.

[kalel123]

People just want it both ways. Damned if you do & damned if you don't. Could Doc have worded his answer better? Sure, but at some point, some honesty is necessary. Everyone else has taken ownership for their contribution to the Sixers losing, it was Ben that decided to play victim. Tobias got flamed last year, and he came back a better player. Is that too much to ask for Ben? I personally don't think what Embiid said was wrong at all. What league are we in where the best player on the team and one of the best players in the league can't give honest criticism on his teammates? Imagine MJs teammates getting in their feelings over honest, reasonable criticism. League and fans have just gotten so soft

There's no problem with teammates and coaches being tough on a player for the right reasons. But you keep that in the locker room. This isn't about league and fans having gotten soft because that's what good teams have been able to do historically. Keep that s#!t in the locker room between yourselves.

Having said that, that's not even the worst of it because Morey botched the situation even worse afterwards. But I guess you don't see that since you didn't even make a mention of that.

[Pickled Prunes]

All Simmons has to do is report back, start playing like a dog, and have Sixers lose games. He has 4 years left on his contract, they can't fine him for bad performance, and he'll figure he'll have plenty of time to build his value back up in FA market after Sixers trade him.

Of course they can fine him for intentionally throwing games or making bad plays. Very few of us can get away with intentional negligence at our jobs. (I'm self employed, so I guess I can. )

More importantly, it takes a very special kind of person to have so little pride that you are willing to dog it in front of thousands of fans. People tend to forget that Harden did it in empty arenas.

Not sure if you are actually serious on the first part since your statement's factually wrong. i.e. again, can't fine a player for bad performance. Or maybe I'm not getting the intended joke.

More importantly, it takes a very special kind of person to actually sit out with 4 years left on his contract. We are looking at a very special kind of person right now and don't think he's any less mad about the whole situation.

Umm... bad performance and intentionally bad performance are obviously two different things.

Sitting at home is a lot different than intentionally playing poorly in front of 29,000 people that would still like to be your fan.

[Pickled Prunes]

It's about getting his value back up. I'm not Interested in Ben Simmons long term as a Sixers fan, but I'm not going to just give him away like some of these vultures have been salivating for. He's too valuable. You want him, cough up some real value.

Given his contract, crappy attitude and limitations he's not valuable. He's a net negative given his contract.

That remains to be seen. But I'll be sure to check back in with these post when he finally gets traded. 25 year old 6'10 defensive studs that can run like a guard and see the floor with the best of them don't grow on trees, and we're not just going to give him away. Maybe Ben realizes that nobody will value him the way Philly does and get out his feelings a bit

Vultures? I don't think anybody wants him. I am a POR fan saying, "Please don't trade CJ for Simmons!" If they traded Lillard for Simmons I would eat my shorts. We don't want him... I think that's pretty much what everyone is saying, including opposing GM's.

[kalel123]

Of course they can fine him for intentionally throwing games or making bad plays. Very few of us can get away with intentional negligence at our jobs. (I'm self employed, so I guess I can. )

More importantly, it takes a very special kind of person to have so little pride that you are willing to dog it in front of thousands of fans. People tend to forget that Harden did it in empty arenas.

Not sure if you are actually serious on the first part since your statement's factually wrong. i.e. again, can't fine a player for bad performance. Or maybe I'm not getting the intended joke.

More importantly, it takes a very special kind of person to actually sit out with 4 years left on his contract. We are looking at a very special kind of person right now and don't think he's any less mad about the whole situation.

Umm... bad performance and intentionally bad performance are obviously two different things.

Sitting at home is a lot different than intentionally playing poorly in front of 29,000 people that would still like to be your fan.

So suppose they could actually fine "intentionally" bad performance, how are they going to prove that? Do you actually have any example of precedent?

[Pickled Prunes]

Not sure if you are actually serious on the first part since your statement's factually wrong. i.e. again, can't fine a player for bad performance. Or maybe I'm not getting the intended joke.

More importantly, it takes a very special kind of person to actually sit out with 4 years left on his contract. We are looking at a very special kind of person right now and don't think he's any less mad about the whole situation.

Umm... bad performance and intentionally bad performance are obviously two different things.

Sitting at home is a lot different than intentionally playing poorly in front of 29,000 people that would still like to be your fan.

So suppose they could actually fine "intentionally" bad performance, how are they going to prove that? Do you actually have any example of precedent?

Other than point shaving scandals in college, no I don't have any examples. Other than Harden, I don't remember any players intentionally playing poorly for more than a game. I mean, Lebron pouted until IT got traded and Kobe refused to shoot for half a game. But Lebron, Kobe and Harden are in a different league than Simmons. And in general, how do you turn off the instinct to play hard?

[PerfectJab]

All Simmons has to do is report back, start playing like a dog, and have Sixers lose games. He has 4 years left on his contract, they can't fine him for bad performance, and he'll figure he'll have plenty of time to build his value back up in FA market after Sixers trade him.

Comments like this is why is seems some people are more interested in seeing Philly get screwed rather than what's good for the league. Why would Ben do that, and why as a fan of the game would you even want a player to do that?

I blame Sixers as much as I do Simmons for having this happen. As a fan of the game, I would like to see teams stop throwing people under the bus publicly or at least don't act surprised or innocent when they react badly. No, I don't mind seeing that front office (or more specifically Morey) fail. But more than that, I'm just saying Simmons didn't go through all that trouble if he was going to all of a sudden play nice and I'm thinking most reasonable people would deduce that as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he shows them he can play their game, too, and play dirty. You can't pretend Sixers and Morey are innocent in all this, their hands are just as dirty.

How did they throw Simmons under the bus? What's this narrative that you're talking about? Let's talk using facts, not emotions.

[PerfectJab]

People just want it both ways. Damned if you do & damned if you don't. Could Doc have worded his answer better? Sure, but at some point, some honesty is necessary. Everyone else has taken ownership for their contribution to the Sixers losing, it was Ben that decided to play victim. Tobias got flamed last year, and he came back a better player. Is that too much to ask for Ben? I personally don't think what Embiid said was wrong at all. What league are we in where the best player on the team and one of the best players in the league can't give honest criticism on his teammates? Imagine MJs teammates getting in their feelings over honest, reasonable criticism. League and fans have just gotten so soft

Exactly!

It's really this generation. Entitled and sensitive to ANY criticism truth or not. EVERYTHING needs to be said in a way where no negative connotations can be associated with it even when it's constructive. Everything is taken literally and when there are trending social issues that help them reinforce their feelings they use it even if it doesn't tie to what they're actually about.

This generation is so weak! Thank goodness for outliers like Giannis who have adopted the prove them wrong mentality. He's actually not an emotional baby all up in his feelings and it's really refreshing to see.

[kalel123]

Comments like this is why is seems some people are more interested in seeing Philly get screwed rather than what's good for the league. Why would Ben do that, and why as a fan of the game would you even want a player to do that?

I blame Sixers as much as I do Simmons for having this happen. As a fan of the game, I would like to see teams stop throwing people under the bus publicly or at least don't act surprised or innocent when they react badly. No, I don't mind seeing that front office (or more specifically Morey) fail. But more than that, I'm just saying Simmons didn't go through all that trouble if he was going to all of a sudden play nice and I'm thinking most reasonable people would deduce that as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he shows them he can play their game, too, and play dirty. You can't pretend Sixers and Morey are innocent in all this, their hands are just as dirty.

How did they throw Simmons under the bus? What's this narrative that you're talking about? Let's talk using facts, not emotions.

This is probably not worth both our times if you still need that part explained to you after all this time.

[PerfectJab]

I blame Sixers as much as I do Simmons for having this happen. As a fan of the game, I would like to see teams stop throwing people under the bus publicly or at least don't act surprised or innocent when they react badly. No, I don't mind seeing that front office (or more specifically Morey) fail. But more than that, I'm just saying Simmons didn't go through all that trouble if he was going to all of a sudden play nice and I'm thinking most reasonable people would deduce that as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he shows them he can play their game, too, and play dirty. You can't pretend Sixers and Morey are innocent in all this, their hands are just as dirty.

How did they throw Simmons under the bus? What's this narrative that you're talking about? Let's talk using facts, not emotions.

This is probably not worth both our times if you still need that part explained to you after all this time.

You're seeing what you want to see but you cannot actually point out facts that show the organization throwing Simmons under the bus. You've come to a conclusion reading into the narrative set by the media based on the non committal answer that Doc Rivers gave. You want to know why there was a narrative? You want to know why the question was asked? Because everyone else was thinking it! Now people want to twist it around like the organization created it? Please!

It is definitely worthy of an explanation as there are no facts to reinforce your assertions. Where are the facts?

[Pacewrs05]

Good luck with this.

Both sides are to Blame for this situation. The 76ers should of never gone public with their comments. Even if deserved. I am sure they will be on the clock to trade him as part of him coming to camp.

[HotelVitale]

I blame Sixers as much as I do Simmons for having this happen. As a fan of the game, I would like to see teams stop throwing people under the bus publicly or at least don't act surprised or innocent when they react badly. No, I don't mind seeing that front office (or more specifically Morey) fail. But more than that, I'm just saying Simmons didn't go through all that trouble if he was going to all of a sudden play nice and I'm thinking most reasonable people would deduce that as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he shows them he can play their game, too, and play dirty. You can't pretend Sixers and Morey are innocent in all this, their hands are just as dirty.

How did they throw Simmons under the bus? What's this narrative that you're talking about? Let's talk using facts, not emotions.

This is probably not worth both our times if you still need that part explained to you after all this time.

Here's the 1-minute video showing the entire exchange of Doc Rivers supposedly destroying Ben Simmons. Please let me know if you honestly think this is an act so aggressive and cruel that a player has no choice but to change his whole life plan and disappoint millions of people:

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=BleacherReport

I don't care about Doc Rivers but this is pretty clearly Doc saying 'look I don't want to talk about it,' and even if your point is that he could've been more careful in his phrasing, it's extremely hard for me to believe anyone thinks that exchange merits the attention and the backlash it has. Simmons was the #1 NBA headline for a while and the media and social media really really milked this clip, that's cool and we've all had our fun with it. But there's a difference between that and actually convincing ourselves that something horrible and aggressive happened here.

[kalel123]

How did they throw Simmons under the bus? What's this narrative that you're talking about? Let's talk using facts, not emotions.

This is probably not worth both our times if you still need that part explained to you after all this time.

You're seeing what you want to see but you cannot actually point out facts that show the organization throwing Simmons under the bus. You've come to a conclusion reading into the narrative set by the media based on the non committal answer that Doc Rivers gave. You want to know why there was a narrative? You want to know why the question was asked? Because everyone else was thinking it! Now people want to twist it around like the organization created it? Please!

It is definitely worthy of an explanation as there are no facts to reinforce your assertions. Where are the facts?

Just because you are too blind to see, doesn't mean the facts aren't there. There have been many times the point was explained on these boards, you only need to go and look it up. I'd rather not waste my time rehashing what's been said many times before because the effort will be wasted on you. Don't blame other people for you being dense.

[PerfectJab]

This is probably not worth both our times if you still need that part explained to you after all this time.

You're seeing what you want to see but you cannot actually point out facts that show the organization throwing Simmons under the bus. You've come to a conclusion reading into the narrative set by the media based on the non committal answer that Doc Rivers gave. You want to know why there was a narrative? You want to know why the question was asked? Because everyone else was thinking it! Now people want to twist it around like the organization created it? Please!

It is definitely worthy of an explanation as there are no facts to reinforce your assertions. Where are the facts?

Just because you are too blind to see, doesn't mean the facts aren't there. There have been many times the point was explained on these boards, you only need to go and look it up. I'd rather not waste my time rehashing what's been said many times before because the effort will be wasted on you. Don't blame other people for you being dense.

Lol, take it easy there stallion!

So the point being brought up on this board is proof of said assertions? haha

You're calling me dense now? I know you are but what am I! You truly amuse me in a case study type of way. All the best to you buddy!