Kyrie Irving Megathread: [Latest] NETS Will Not Offer Irving $186M Extension

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Re: Kyrie Irving Megathread: [Shams] Kyrie Will Not Play or Practice Until Fully Vaccinated 

Post#201 » by longtallbrad » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:06 pm

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Da ThRONe wrote:How is getting the vaccine better than consistently testing negative?


The (huge) difference is that vaccination makes it far less likely that I will infect others, putting them in danger of anything from inconvenience to mild illness to severe illness to death.


Says who? The data out of several countries suggests the vaccines aren't nearly as great at preventing infections. Especially after a few months. I'd much rather be in a room of people with negative test than a room for of people that's been vaxxed for half a year.


Say the federal, state, and local public health officials, virologists, epidemiologists, prominent chemist and professional biologist, emergency room nurses, hospital administrators, clergy, coroners, medical examiners, and funeral home directors I have talked to in professional or personal life. I've sat in a room full of people who recently had tested negative, and some of them got sick afterward - whether due to false negatives or because someone touched a door handle at the airport on the way to the meeting.
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Post#202 » by NYPiston » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:07 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:I honestly have no idea how this statement will influence Kyrie's behavior. Does he bite the bullet and take the vaccine now that it's clear that KD and Harden signed off on this, or does he dig in his heels even further? Neither would surprise me. It's impossible to predict this guy.


I would say yes for like 99% of the players out there (like what Wiggins did) because the majority value money over personal values, or whatever odd reason they have for not taking the vaccine, but Kyrie is a different breed so he'll probably just stick to his "beliefs" and sit out.

It's probably better for the team anyway, they're still a Championship contender without him and can now put the drama behind them.
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Post#203 » by Blaze4G » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:07 pm

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This guy right on cue. The 7 of you gonna get together to discuss a fan reaction?


7? You’re being too kind. More like 5. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Coming from the fanbase who cried for weeks about stepping on a painted leprechaun.


its about principle. Just like how it is against the law to step on a piece of cloth....the USA Flag. Or perhaps you don't disagree that stepping on a country's flag shouldn't be a problem?
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Re: Kyrie Irving Megathread: [Shams] Kyrie Will Not Play or Practice Until Fully Vaccinated 

Post#204 » by bisme37 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:07 pm

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Da ThRONe wrote:
longtallbrad wrote:
The (huge) difference is that vaccination makes it far less likely that I will infect others, putting them in danger of anything from inconvenience to mild illness to severe illness to death.


Says who? The data out of several countries suggests the vaccines aren't nearly as great at preventing infections. Especially after a few months. I'd much rather be in a room of people with negative test than a room for of people that's been vaxxed for half a year.


You do realize this isn't an either/or proposition right? :D :D


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Re: Kyrie Irving Megathread: [Shams] Kyrie Will Not Play or Practice Until Fully Vaccinated 

Post#205 » by queridiculo » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:07 pm

bisme37 wrote:I'm stealing this from some guy's reddit comment I read yesterday...

The stages of Kyrie when your franchise acquires him:

-“OMG for real? Whaaat? We. Are. Stacked. Always been a fan. His all around game is sick. He’s going to elevate our entire team.”

-"Disappointing end, but if Kyrie was healthy we would’ve won a chip. Next year we got this.”

-“He said what? Ehh he’s a little weird but that’s just Kyrie.”

-“What. The. Bleep. This selfish bleep is going to cost us a year of (insert star)’s prime with this bleep?”

-"I hate Kyrie."


You forgot the denial stage following the acquisition, where the fanbase collectively dismisses comments about Irvings erratic behavior with "it will be different here".
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Post#206 » by dhsilv2 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:08 pm

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Don't you still have track who's been vaccinated or not in that same city?


1 photo copy per person vs a daily test per person....you can't possible see these as the same thing. Plus those tests aren't free either. And then what you gotta track your people with and without vaccine papers or not? That would be down right stupid. At some point cities have to be practical don't they?


Well it's not practical to carry all of this out for a virus that has a 99.8 survival rate. Is that not common sense? And for people who aren't elderly, obese, or have 2 or more cormobities is less deadly than the flu. So none of this makes any "common sense" from where I'm looking.


I'm not going to debate you on this. These cities are taking the advice of experts and doing what they feel is the best for their city. You're wondering why they can't do something that isn't practical. This is far more management and practical. If you want to change the topic into something else, I'm not qualified to argue this and I doubt you are either. And this is a basketball forum and I've more than covered your first question.
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Re: Kyrie Irving Megathread: [Shams] Kyrie Will Not Play or Practice Until Fully Vaccinated 

Post#207 » by bisme37 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:08 pm

queridiculo wrote:
bisme37 wrote:I'm stealing this from some guy's reddit comment I read yesterday...

The stages of Kyrie when your franchise acquires him:

-“OMG for real? Whaaat? We. Are. Stacked. Always been a fan. His all around game is sick. He’s going to elevate our entire team.”

-"Disappointing end, but if Kyrie was healthy we would’ve won a chip. Next year we got this.”

-“He said what? Ehh he’s a little weird but that’s just Kyrie.”

-“What. The. Bleep. This selfish bleep is going to cost us a year of (insert star)’s prime with this bleep?”

-"I hate Kyrie."


You forgot the denial stage following the acquisition, where the fanbase collectively dismisses comments about Irvings erratic behavior.


I think that's the 3rd one. "Ehh he’s a little weird but that’s just Kyrie.”
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Re: Kyrie Irving Megathread: [Shams] Kyrie Will Not Play or Practice Until Fully Vaccinated 

Post#208 » by Ambrose » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:08 pm

He'll probably bite the bullet and get vaxxed but I'd love it if he held firm, and made the Nets worse.
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Post#209 » by Jabroni Lames » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:12 pm

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Jabroni Lames wrote:I am definitely envisioning a potential backtrack on Kyrie not playing ANY games. Why? Because TNT and ESPN pay ridiculous coin to the NBA has sold them the "superstar" business model which attracts eyeballs. Superstars missing games is kick to the nuts of the networks and biting the hand that feeds you. Same thing happened when the league cracked down on load management after TNT/ESPN complained.

I could see that if he was the only star on Brooklyn but the Nets have KD and Harden. It’s easy to sell 2 stars especially when BRK is using former stars like Blake and LMA.


If I'm the networks, I was sold by Adam Silver on the "NBA players as hollywood stars" business model... and a 3-star Super Team, especially casting the Nets as villains, is significantly more compelling TV than 2-stars. No other team has 3 superstars... that is must-watch TV. And we all know that KD will be sitting out a bunch of games, so we'll be seeing a lot of just Harden going solo.

Let's also not forget that Kyrie is probably THE most aesthetically appealing player to watch in the NBA. Just pure entertainment when he's on. And at his size and decent looks (no homer), Kyrie is more relatable to the average fan than a monster like Joel Embiid.

That said... the NBA is generating a sh**t ton more eyeballs with all of the off-court drama, than the actual games. lol. Maybe that's the selling point to TNT & ESPN... but how to they monetize that?
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Post#210 » by Karate Diop » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:12 pm

He'll get vaxxed eventually but not before missing 20 or so games. He's fully entrenched in his position now... Nets margin for error shrinks without Kyrie but there's still nobody in the east who scares them...
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Post#211 » by xdrta+ » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:13 pm

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Courtside wrote:They aren't paying him for any games missed. The NBA released a statement about this, essentially creating a temporary rule that any time or games lost due to players not following COVID protocols - whether home or away - will result in the player forfeiting their salary for those games. Also, while the team saves money, the full salary counts against the cap/tax, so they can't get an exemption to sign a replacement player or go along with a player missing games in order to their luxury tax payments.


They may have to pay him for the 40 games he doesn't play now outside of NY that he could have platyed. But no...he doesn't get paid for non-vaccinated days off.

I'm not a basketball lawyer, but I'm pretty sure since it's the team deciding to sit him for games outside of NY, he'd still get paid for them

But he's absolutely not getting paid for any games in NY he's missing.


Nah, if it comes to it they'll suspend him indefinitely. There's plenty of cause. He can take it to arbitration but I don't like his chances.
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Post#212 » by DaGawd » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:13 pm

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Re: Kyrie Irving Megathread: [Shams] Kyrie Will Not Play or Practice Until Fully Vaccinated 

Post#213 » by DaGawd » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:15 pm

Karate Diop wrote:He'll get vaxxed eventually but not before missing 20 or so games. He's fully entrenched in his position now... Nets margin for error shrinks without Kyrie but there's still nobody in the east who scares them...

He won’t get vaccinated at all. Kyrie hate him or love him seems like the type to stand on what he believes in. If he just prolongs it that makes his stance even more pointless
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Post#214 » by Tottery » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:15 pm

Da ThRONe wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Da ThRONe wrote:
Don't you still have track who's been vaccinated or not in that same city?


1 photo copy per person vs a daily test per person....you can't possible see these as the same thing. Plus those tests aren't free either. And then what you gotta track your people with and without vaccine papers or not? That would be down right stupid. At some point cities have to be practical don't they?


Well it's not practical to carry all of this out for a virus that has a 99.8 survival rate. Is that not common sense? And for people who aren't elderly, obese, or have 2 or more cormobities is less deadly than the flu. So none of this makes any "common sense" from where I'm looking.

Fact Check: Survival rates for COVID-19 misrepresented in posts


You do realize that link states that the 98.2% survival rate is for the total amount of people that have contracted COVID, right? It's not your individual percentage of surviving. There is no way to calculate that.

The article also states 1 out of 500 people die from COVID. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't put someone's life savings on a 1 to 500 odd bet, so I'm not going to do that with my life. Anyway, I'm going to drop it because I don't know if you're anti vaxx or not and I'm worn out from the conversations with others.
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Re: KD/Harden/Nets Mgmt Decide Kyrie Will Not Play or Practice with Team 

Post#215 » by Blaze4G » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:17 pm

Pelon chingon wrote:
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Pelon chingon wrote:Many People across the nation have been dealing with this kind of tyranny. Much of it comes from the "my body my choice" crowd until its something they disagree with of course. Good luck to Kyrie on this one.


My body my choice is fine as long as it doesn’t impact other people. When it comes to covid it does . Different than abortion. But you already know that

This is the definition of Misinformation. You can get vaccinated but still get covid and spread it.

Nope, this is the definition of misinformation and shows how ignorant you are towards the topic. Can you be vaccinated and still get covid and spread it? Yes. The viral load of a vaccinated person with covid is less than that of someone that is unvaxxed with covid. What does this mean? Simply it is harder to spread to others. Which also means a reduction in chances of a new even more deadly variant.
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Post#216 » by Blaze4G » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:18 pm

Da ThRONe wrote:
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Da ThRONe wrote:How is getting the vaccine better than consistently testing negative?


because you could become infected and spread between tests?


You can become infected and spread after the vaccine.

The virus has a harder time spreading from an infected vaccinated person to another person.
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Post#217 » by ag3 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:18 pm

rand wrote:Damn Kyrie, just bribe someone for the documentation already


NY has an app and NYC does as well. They aren't stupid, they will ask him for proof from the app.
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Post#218 » by jokeboy86 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:18 pm

I think Kyrie retires because I can't see him taking the vaccine because he's not one to do anything he doesn't want to do. And I now have the Bucks going back to the Finals because though the Nets have two Top 10 players and their roster improved imo having Irving/Harden/KD all on the court made them practically unbeatable now I'm not so sure.
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Re: Kyrie Irving Megathread: [Shams] Kyrie Will Not Play or Practice Until Fully Vaccinated 

Post#219 » by queridiculo » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:19 pm

Ambrose wrote:He'll probably bite the bullet and get vaxxed but I'd love it if he held firm, and made the Nets worse.


With everything we have seen from Irving over the years I would be surprised if this statement by the Nets changed anything about his stance.

If anything it will strengthen his resolve to resist vaccination.

There is the chance that he'll come to the realization that it's not just about him and if KD and him are anywhere near as close as Irving likes to claim I could imagine that perhaps he'll do it for his teammates.

By all accounts about how aloof he is just in general I very much doubt that he'll see the big picture and focus on proving everybody that he cannot be controlled like the sheep and puppets that he has transcended a long time ago.
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Post#220 » by Hoopstar23 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:21 pm

KD forces trade back to Warriors lol

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