Kyrie Irving Megathread: [Latest] NETS Will Not Offer Irving $186M Extension

[Dennis Reynolds]

Is there a way to tell if this was an edit?

Or is that impressive?

It's an edit

Aww man, I was fooled

Still well played.

Same here, the thread basically ended late in 2019 which is when the first covid talks started if I'm not mistaken and today a fan of totally different team bumped the thread quoting that post so I just guessed that Celtics fan simply made a crazy lucky but somewhat educated prediction.

[xdrta+]

Yeah, it's weird, but it's due to Silver not enforcing a league-wide mandate. Since visiting players aren't employees of the state(s) enforcing a mandate, they can still play. States with mandates don't have the jurisdiction to enforce mandates on employees from visiting states.

Clear as mud?

And then they've put the Raptors in an awkward position because Canada's covid laws are even stricter

Silver can't mandate vaccines for players because they are governed by the CBA. He has mandated NBA staff to get vaxxed. He is powerless to enforce contracted players vaccine. Now, governors have the power for public health to make these health requirements in public spaces, such as a game or arean. It is why Kyrie could practice, because the training facility was private,

The answer is to trade kyrie to a team in a state that does not have this mandate, like Florida, Texas or Atlanta.

And yet other industries that are governed by union contracts can mandate vaccines for employees. Strange, isn't it.

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[Duke4life831]

This is just a win for Kyrie. He doesnt have to play basketball, he still gets to collect half his salary (so about 17.5 mil), his name will stay in the news all year long because people will constantly talk about how the Nets need him if they want to win the championship, and he gets to stand his ground on his point.

This is pretty much the ideal scenario for Kyrie.

Getting paid tens of millions of dollars for doing nothing is a win for anyone but I don't think Kyrie wants a scenario where he does not want to play basketball. He wouldn't be as good of a player if he didn't care about basketball. Obviously if he still refuses to get vaccinated with everything on the line, it means that he prioritizes his stupid anti vaxx beliefs over everything else, but I don't think this has ever been about not wanting to play basketball or that being a plus for him.

Im not saying he doesnt enjoy basketball. But I think with each passing year outside things and activities have grown more important to him. Ya probably the ideal scenario for Kyrie is he gets to take whatever games he wants off and probably end up playing around 30-40 games a year.

So ya maybe not the ideal scenario for him, but pretty damn close in my opinion. Again

17.5 mil to stay at home
His name will stay in the news all year long
He gets to look like a true champion for his cause

Pretty close to ideal circumstances for Kyrie I would think.

[Doctor MJ]

And then they've put the Raptors in an awkward position because Canada's covid laws are even stricter

Silver can't mandate vaccines for players because they are governed by the CBA. He has mandated NBA staff to get vaxxed. He is powerless to enforce contracted players vaccine. Now, governors have the power for public health to make these health requirements in public spaces, such as a game or arean. It is why Kyrie could practice, because the training facility was private,

The answer is to trade kyrie to a team in a state that does not have this mandate, like Florida, Texas or Atlanta.

And yet other industries that are governed by union contracts can mandate vaccines for employees. Strange, isn't it.

Is it? Different unions have different contracts and different populations. The NBA union has perhaps the most powerful rank & file members of any union in existence, and that power has consequences.

[JoeyMorgan619]

This is just a win for Kyrie. He doesnt have to play basketball, he still gets to collect half his salary (so about 17.5 mil), his name will stay in the news all year long because people will constantly talk about how the Nets need him if they want to win the championship, and he gets to stand his ground on his point.

This is pretty much the ideal scenario for Kyrie.

Getting paid tens of millions of dollars for doing nothing is a win for anyone but I don't think Kyrie wants a scenario where he does not want to play basketball. He wouldn't be as good of a player if he didn't care about basketball. Obviously if he still refuses to get vaccinated with everything on the line, it means that he prioritizes his stupid anti vaxx beliefs over everything else, but I don't think this has ever been about not wanting to play basketball or that being a plus for him.

Im not saying he doesnt enjoy basketball. But I think with each passing year outside things and activities have grown more important to him. Ya probably the ideal scenario for Kyrie is he gets to take whatever games he wants off and probably end up playing around 30-40 games a year.

So ya maybe not the ideal scenario for him, but pretty damn close in my opinion. Again

17.5 mil to stay at home
His name will stay in the news all year long
He gets to look like a true champion for his cause

Pretty close to ideal circumstances for Kyrie I would think.

lol it's very strange that you keep saying staying home is the ideal scenario for him.

[Openheimer]

I just hope Kyrie agrees to a trade so we can unload him

[Duke4life831]

Getting paid tens of millions of dollars for doing nothing is a win for anyone but I don't think Kyrie wants a scenario where he does not want to play basketball. He wouldn't be as good of a player if he didn't care about basketball. Obviously if he still refuses to get vaccinated with everything on the line, it means that he prioritizes his stupid anti vaxx beliefs over everything else, but I don't think this has ever been about not wanting to play basketball or that being a plus for him.

Im not saying he doesnt enjoy basketball. But I think with each passing year outside things and activities have grown more important to him. Ya probably the ideal scenario for Kyrie is he gets to take whatever games he wants off and probably end up playing around 30-40 games a year.

So ya maybe not the ideal scenario for him, but pretty damn close in my opinion. Again

17.5 mil to stay at home
His name will stay in the news all year long
He gets to look like a true champion for his cause

Pretty close to ideal circumstances for Kyrie I would think.

lol it's very strange that you keep saying staying home is the ideal scenario for him.

Getting paid 17.5 mil to not show up to work and stay home is kind of an ideal scenario for most people.

[NyKnicks1714]

There's a chance this ends up being nothing. Kyrie might get vaccinated or the mandate might get lifted during the season. There's a small but decent chance though that Kyrie never rejoins the team, and ends up ruining what could have been the best team ever.

[JoeyMorgan619]

Im not saying he doesnt enjoy basketball. But I think with each passing year outside things and activities have grown more important to him. Ya probably the ideal scenario for Kyrie is he gets to take whatever games he wants off and probably end up playing around 30-40 games a year.

So ya maybe not the ideal scenario for him, but pretty damn close in my opinion. Again

17.5 mil to stay at home
His name will stay in the news all year long
He gets to look like a true champion for his cause

Pretty close to ideal circumstances for Kyrie I would think.

lol it's very strange that you keep saying staying home is the ideal scenario for him.

Getting paid 17.5 mil to not show up to work and stay home is kind of an ideal scenario for most people.

Yeah, but someone who is a top 10-30 player in the NBA isn't "most people". You honestly think if it weren't for the vaccine stuff, Kyrie would choose to sit at home rather than play basketball? Why do you think these millionaire/billionaires keep working? It's not simply just to make more money. It's because a lot of them love what they do.

[Blacksheep25]

Silver can't mandate vaccines for players because they are governed by the CBA. He has mandated NBA staff to get vaxxed. He is powerless to enforce contracted players vaccine. Now, governors have the power for public health to make these health requirements in public spaces, such as a game or arean. It is why Kyrie could practice, because the training facility was private,

The answer is to trade kyrie to a team in a state that does not have this mandate, like Florida, Texas or Atlanta.

And yet other industries that are governed by union contracts can mandate vaccines for employees. Strange, isn't it.

Is it? Different unions have different contracts and different populations. The NBA union has perhaps the most powerful rank & file members of any union in existence, and that power has consequences.

What do you mean by this? I’m trying not to wave it off as clearly baseball has a much better union and way more powerful as evidenced by their ability to fend off any salary cap and inflate salaries at a time when the sport has a median viewer that’s 65 years old.

Do you mean the individual superstars have more power relative to the union? I’d still think that’s wrong in a league where 95% are vaccinated, but would make a little more sense considering it’s not even the strongest sports union.

Everyone I know who works in HR, who are dealing with mandates, has said the same thing. The people complaining most that x person is unvaccinated, and why aren’t they fired yet, were those employees who also weren’t vaccinated until the mandates. They are like, “I’d think the early vaccinated would be the ones bitching.”

Those who felt pressured to get it when they were hesitant will be the first to insist he does also.

[Duke4life831]

lol it's very strange that you keep saying staying home is the ideal scenario for him.

Getting paid 17.5 mil to not show up to work and stay home is kind of an ideal scenario for most people.

Yeah, but someone who is a top 10-30 player in the NBA isn't "most people". You honestly think if it weren't for the vaccine stuff, Kyrie would choose to sit at home rather than play basketball? Why do you think these millionaire/billionaires keep working? It's not simply just to make more money. It's because a lot of them love what they do.

I think the ideal scenario for Kyrie is he would pick and choose to play 30-40 games during the regular season and the playoffs. I think as he has gotten older other things outside of basketball have become more and more important to him.

[Memories]

Respect to the Nets for this. Kyrie is a total idiot. No one should support that kind of dangerous idiocy.

[lvckv]

Kyrie absolutely sucks. Hope he never plays again and we don't have to hear about him again.

And not just because it hurts the Nets – he'd suck as a person if he was in Sacramento or back in Cleveland or wherever.

[DarkXaero]

Kyrie absolutely sucks. Hope he never plays again and we don't have to hear about him again.

And not just because it hurts the Nets – he'd suck as a person if he was in Sacramento or back in Cleveland or wherever.

Kyrie is an idiot for being anti-vaxx here but he's not a bad person. He has done a lot of good things off the court that he has zero obligation to do. I think people need to differentiate between someone making poor decisions and someone actually being a bad person.

[Doctor MJ]

And yet other industries that are governed by union contracts can mandate vaccines for employees. Strange, isn't it.

Is it? Different unions have different contracts and different populations. The NBA union has perhaps the most powerful rank & file members of any union in existence, and that power has consequences.

What do you mean by this? I’m trying not to wave it off as clearly baseball has a much better union and way more powerful as evidenced by their ability to fend off any salary cap and inflate salaries at a time when the sport has a median viewer that’s 65 years old.

Do you mean the individual superstars have more power relative to the union? I’d still think that’s wrong in a league where 95% are vaccinated, but would make a little more sense considering it’s not even the strongest sports union.

Everyone I know who works in HR, who are dealing with mandates, has said the same thing. The people complaining most that x person is unvaccinated, and why aren’t they fired yet, we’re those employees who also weren’t vaccinated until the mandates. They are like, “I’d think the early vaccinated would be the ones bitching.”

Those who felt pressured to get it when they were hesitant will be the first to insist he does also.

Do you realize that the average NBA player is making more than double the average MLB player? We're not talking about as a situation where the average MLB player is getting all sorts of goodies that the average NBA player is not.

Part of why this is, is that there are less NBA players than MLB players, so I'm not going to claim that average salary and union strength are the same thing, but I think it's clear that the NBA player union is sticking up for those in the minority here, and this does have quite a lot to do with the power of rank & file players.

Now, you might argue that the players' union is only sticking up for minority views on the vaccine because certain stars are the ones in the minority, but I'll note that LeBron and others have been very cautious about advocating for the vaccine and I don't think it's because LeBron is afraid of Kyrie. I think it has a lot more to do with what they're hearing from the Black community in general.

Re: who is complaining the most, early adopters or those who felt pushed? I don't know what to expect with regards to this. As someone with a scientific background who got vaccinated as soon as he could, I'm frankly frustrated with pretty much everyone who is antivax, but I don't spend a lot of time thinking about what should be done about mandates because I know I personally have no control over these things.

[Memories]

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I freaking love Jon Bois lol.

[The_Hater]

For the last 2 seasons, there were a small handful of Nets fans who continually insisted he wasn’t a disruptive player and either everything that happened before he got to Brooklyn was overblown, or those things wouldn’t happen with Brooklyn because, you know, they’re the Nets.

Haven’t even seen any of these guys stick their head up for air in awhile…..

[Cyrusman122000]

Can someone please explain to me why they won’t just trade him? Seems like it’s in everyone best interest at this point

There will definitely be a few teams who are willing to take him on. Irving is still a very talented player who can fill seats.

[DaGawd]

Can someone please explain to me why they won’t just trade him? Seems like it’s in everyone best interest at this point

There will definitely be a few teams who are willing to take him on. Irving is still a very talented player who can fill seats.

Because teams are afraid he’ll retire if they trade for him