Kyrie Irving Megathread: [Latest] NETS Will Not Offer Irving $186M Extension

[Statlanta]

Tomorrow at work I'm going to bring in a baggie of dog poop from the park nearby, go to the break room, and smear it all over the drinking fountain and fridge. It is my right to do so, because I am Free.

About as reasonable and logical as forced vaccinations. Have at it.

Just curious, did people have this issue before COVID when you know, people needed them to go to college/school (and still do)? I don't remember anyone talking about this before it was politicized.

You can only make that decision going to college. Otherwise it's your parents making decisions for you, most likely at Kindergarten age, regardless of what you believe in. You are not going to go against your parents who will whoop you.

[Neutral 123]

Tomorrow at work I'm going to bring in a baggie of dog poop from the park nearby, go to the break room, and smear it all over the drinking fountain and fridge. It is my right to do so, because I am Free.

About as reasonable and logical as forced vaccinations. Have at it.

Just curious, did people have this issue before COVID when you know, people needed them to go to college/school (and still do)? I don't remember anyone talking about this before it was politicized.

There was opposition back then. Of course, they weren't mandatory to live a normal life however like this injection is now. And of course, objections would wane with time as there is more of a track record that they are relatively safe.

The amount of coercion is on a whole other level.

[stillgotgame]

Slightly better response. Thanks. Now we have to go over exactly what freedom is and isn't. Since freedom is for everyone, that means that you do not have a right to infringe on the freedom of others.

Tomorrow at work I'm going to bring in a baggie of dog poop from the park nearby, go to the break room, and smear it all over the drinking fountain and fridge. It is my right to do so, because I am Free.

Make sure the poop is deadly if smelled too. But only a 2% chance of dying, because losing 730,000 Americans so some can have freedom is worth it.

[shotsquatch]

About as reasonable and logical as forced vaccinations. Have at it.

Do you think there would be something wrong with me doing that? It's my Freedom of Choice to do what I want. If my coworkers don't want to drink the sh*t water they can exercise their own Freedom of Choice and Choose to bring water from home.

In your analogy it is you imposing your feces on others who don't want it, same as imposing your vaccine on others who don't want it. At least you are consistent. The my body my choice people are nowhere to be found when you actually need them.

What you don't seem to get is that by refusing the vaccine, you impose a deadly disease on others who don't want it. Somehow you understand this intuitively when the subject is poop, but not when the subject is something microscopic that you can't see or smell.

If more people in society thought like you, there would be no society.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Smart move by the nets. They can now minimize the distraction as well as possible and focus on a game to game gameplan without him. Of course, I can't imagine how Kyrie's teammates feel with him getting in the way of them possibly winning a title. This blurb makes his stance even more absurd:

Read on Twitter

Kyrie Irving is nothing but a charlatan trying to wrap himself up in the veil of doing something out of the goodness of his heart for the little guy. Why doesn’t he really put his money where his mouth is an donate the majority of his career earnings to the little guy if he’s so concerned? Just pure megalomania and delusions of grandeur is what you got here.

[bisme37]

The political debate in this thread needs to stop. Now. We merged everything into a Kyrie megathread and it's gone completely off the rails in the last three pages and it's about to get locked.

This is a basketball forum. For basketball talk. There are a million other places to discuss politics. Including RGM's current affairs board. Or, ya know, politics sites.

This is a thread to discuss the basketball impact of Kyrie's vaccine decision, the Nets decision to send him home, and how that effects NBA basketball. It's not to debate your thoughts on covid or the vaccine. We have a covid thread for that at the top of the forum. And it's certainly not the thread for comments about BLM, communism, Trump, or whatever else seems to be going on here.

You all already know this, and some of you have been expressly warned about it just recently, and continuing to troll and derail the site is just plain rude and will not be tolerated.

Please do not post any more political comments, and please do not respond to prior political comments in the thread. Help us get back on topic. Thanks.

[FrodoFraggins]

Sure they could. The CBA is full of clauses that say a player can be suspended for actions detrimental to the team, "to give his best services, as well as his loyalty, to the Team," etc. They don't want a war with the union over this, but they would have a case in arbitration. If he doesn't come around they could still go that route.

It would NEVER hold up. the Players Association would be all over it. There is literally no base for a suspension.

According to you. When Kyrie signed a contract he agreed, "not to do anything that is materially detrimental or materially prejudicial to the best interests of the Team or the League."
Also:
(c) For any violation of Team rules, any breach of any provision of this Contract, or for any conduct impairing the faithful and thorough discharge of the duties incumbent upon the Player, the Team may reasonably impose fines and/or suspensions on the Player in accordance with the terms of the CBA.

A case could easily be made that he has breached some of that agreement. An arbitrator would decide that. But, like most teams, the Nets are afraid of angering the union.

If they want a suspension to be upheld, they let him practice with the bench squad and wait for him to be a disruption. He HAS to do something. The league and the players association have already come to an agreement on what can be done. what can't be done is suspending players simply because they didn't get the shot.

You also naively ignore what the reaction would be from the Brooklyn players if they tried suspending him for this.

[infinite11285]

Kyrie Irving's Position Not Anti-Vaccine, Wants To Challenge A Perceived Control Of Society

Kyrie Irving is not anti-vaccine and that his stance is that he is upset that people are losing their jobs due to vaccine mandates, multiple sources with direct knowledge of Irving's decision have told Shams Charania of The Athletic

"It’s a stance that Irving has explained to close teammates," writes Charania. "To him, this is about a grander fight than the one on the court and Irving is challenging a perceived control of society and people’s livelihood, according to sources with knowledge of Irving’s mindset. It is a decision that he believes he is capable to make given his current life dynamics."

Irving is currently ineligible to play for the Brooklyn Nets in home games and the team has decided that they'd prefer him not to play in any games until he's ready to play in all of them

“Kyrie wants to be a voice for the voiceless,” one source said.

Irving is slated to miss out on $16 million-plus in salary this season and also forgo a $186 million extension.

The rules in New York City are indefinite and there is no expectation of them being reversed, which would allow him to play.

I don't believe Kyrie has an endgame. He's so aloof an individual that he's likely to pivot to something else to take a stand against once he figures out how far he wants to take this current stance. The man is a living, breathing distraction and the Nets would be better off trading him.

[Egg Nog]

Do you think there would be something wrong with me doing that? It's my Freedom of Choice to do what I want. If my coworkers don't want to drink the sh*t water they can exercise their own Freedom of Choice and Choose to bring water from home.

In your analogy it is you imposing your feces on others who don't want it, same as imposing your vaccine on others who don't want it. At least you are consistent. The my body my choice people are nowhere to be found when you actually need them.

And what you fail to understand is that by refusing the vaccine, you impose a deadly disease on others who don't want it. Somehow you understand this intuitively when the subject is poop, but not when the subject is something microscopic that you don't understand.

If more people in society thought like you, there would be no society.

He also fails to understand that literally nobody is being forced to get a vaccine.

Forced vaccination would be someone holding you down while someone else jabs a needle into your arm. That isn't happening anywhere. Nobody is being forced to get a vaccine.

Even doctors are not forced to get vaccinated, they are merely contractually obligated to do so.

Kyrie isn't being forced to get the vaccine nor is he being forced to play basketball.

[RoyceDa59]

Feel bad for KD. He could have gone to any team or just stayed in Golden State.

He really went ahead and tied his legacy to this clown.

[zaz102]

About as reasonable and logical as forced vaccinations. Have at it.

Just curious, did people have this issue before COVID when you know, people needed them to go to college/school (and still do)? I don't remember anyone talking about this before it was politicized.

There was opposition back then. Of course, they weren't mandatory to live a normal life however like this injection is now. And of course, objections would wane with time as there is more of a track record that they are relatively safe.

The amount of coercion is on a whole other level.

Fair enough. I get your point with freedom.

The argument on the other side is that there is a dangerous and deadly virus that forced us to live in an abnormal way anyway. US resisted at first until they decided it was better to have a lockdown. The vaccine has been developed by oconlogy doctors that do this for a living and has been tested and approved by multibillion dollar companies regulated by a respected third party agency. The risk from getting the virus is much more significant than the vaccine which has very high efficacy.

The last point I'll say it's not a new concept, like banning smoking for people's health.

I know I'm not going to change your mind, but there are good reasons why people feel the way they do. Don't blame brainwashing or BLM when that's just not true. I won't accuse you of that either. Peace and love brother.

[John Murdoch]

Its kapernick esk but behind the scenese lol..not the best hill to die on although me myself am not vaccinated

[Neutral 123]

Do you think there would be something wrong with me doing that? It's my Freedom of Choice to do what I want. If my coworkers don't want to drink the sh*t water they can exercise their own Freedom of Choice and Choose to bring water from home.

In your analogy it is you imposing your feces on others who don't want it, same as imposing your vaccine on others who don't want it. At least you are consistent. The my body my choice people are nowhere to be found when you actually need them.

What you don't seem to get is that by refusing the vaccine, you impose a deadly disease on others who don't want it. Somehow you understand this intuitively when the subject is poop, but not when the subject is something microscopic that you can't see or smell.

If more people in society thought like you, there would be no society.

That's blatantly untrue. It is people who think like me that created America SMH...

[shotsquatch]

That's blatantly untrue. It is people who think like me that created America SMH...

Yeah, and look how well things are going lol

[Bank Shot]

Of course Kyrie can't be just a run-of-the-mill anti-vaxxer. He's got to pretend to be MLK for the scared of needles crowd. The man just keeps finding ways to become even more obnoxious.

[RoyceDa59]

Once the games start playing and the attention is off of Kyrie, sometime in like Jan. He will magically have a change of heart and get the vaccine, just in time to be well rested for the playoff run.

[Neutral 123]

Just curious, did people have this issue before COVID when you know, people needed them to go to college/school (and still do)? I don't remember anyone talking about this before it was politicized.

There was opposition back then. Of course, they weren't mandatory to live a normal life however like this injection is now. And of course, objections would wane with time as there is more of a track record that they are relatively safe.

The amount of coercion is on a whole other level.

Fair enough. I get your point with freedom.

The argument on the other side is that there is a dangerous and deadly virus that forced us to live in an abnormal way anyway. US resisted at first until they decided it was better to have a lockdown. The vaccine has been developed by oconlogy doctors that do this for a living and has been tested and approved by multibillion dollar companies regulated by a respected third party agency. The risk from getting the virus is much more significant than the vaccine which has very high efficacy.

The last point I'll say it's not a new concept, like banning smoking for people's health.

I know I'm not going to change your mind, but there are good reasons why people feel the way they do. Don't blame brainwashing or BLM when that's just not true. I won't accuse you of that either. Peace and love brother.

The govt has forced people to live in an abnormal way. If individuals were free to decide how they lived, we would likely see a varying impact. Those who are very old and sick would need to make the biggest changes. Instead, these measures have been forced on everyone as though everyone has the same risk profile.

I'm not telling anyone not to get it. It's their right to choose. If they can force an injection into your arm against your will, then there's nothing else they can't justify for the so called greater good.


Strike for continued derailing even after mods have given warning in this thread to keep posts on the topic of Kyrie
-zimpy27

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

In your analogy it is you imposing your feces on others who don't want it, same as imposing your vaccine on others who don't want it. At least you are consistent. The my body my choice people are nowhere to be found when you actually need them.

What you don't seem to get is that by refusing the vaccine, you impose a deadly disease on others who don't want it. Somehow you understand this intuitively when the subject is poop, but not when the subject is something microscopic that you can't see or smell.

If more people in society thought like you, there would be no society.

That's blatantly untrue. It is people who think like me that created America SMH...

Lol. That’s not something to be proud of

[Neutral 123]

That's blatantly untrue. It is people who think like me that created America SMH...

Yeah, and look how well things are going lol

As opposed to where? Still millions of foreigners risking life and limb to invade illegally. You serious?

Stop derailing. -Dome

[Neutral 123]

What you don't seem to get is that by refusing the vaccine, you impose a deadly disease on others who don't want it. Somehow you understand this intuitively when the subject is poop, but not when the subject is something microscopic that you can't see or smell.

If more people in society thought like you, there would be no society.

That's blatantly untrue. It is people who think like me that created America SMH...

Lol. That’s not something to be proud of

Amazing.