Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants)

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yeah but like I said, don’t know for Van but people who aren’t vaxxed have different levels of exposure to others.. guy who lives twenty minutes from town and has groceries delivered, whatever. Door to door salesman, worse.

[Parliament10]

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In No Uncertain Terms.

[Captain_Caveman]

I’m with Van on this one, Cave.. he’s getting vaccinated, that’s good, “better late than never”, the respectful conversations here can be productive. People can make honest, intelligent risk assessments and be “wrong” but reasonable, or have a higher or lower threshold for acting on them, or changing their mind. You also don’t know everyone’s distancing, risk profile, geography, work conditions.. some unvaxxed are more “harmful” than others, they’re not all going viral for coughing on strangers, licking produce, or getting thrown out of restaurants. More joy in heaven when a “sinner” repents…?

I'm actually not trying to tell people to get vaxxed or not. I just don't want to hear the fake science or victim complexes. No one cares.

Curious as to which category I might fall into. Spouting fake science or having a victim complex are not things I've every been accused of, and I've been accused a lot.

The latter.

[Bad-Thoma]

Well, off from our normal track of contentious debate, my wife just came back with a positive test. We've all been vaccinated since spring, she's 53 and has zero symptoms whatsoever and is quarantining. My kid and I are going on Thursday to get tested but we all feel completely 100% fine, thank you vaccine for that. We're all avoiding people (more than usual) in the meantime.

[SuperDeluxe]

Well, off from our normal track of contentious debate, my wife just came back with a positive test. We've all been vaccinated since spring, she's 53 and has zero symptoms whatsoever and is quarantining. My kid and I are going on Thursday to get tested but we all feel completely 100% fine, thank you vaccine for that. We're all avoiding people (more than usual) in the meantime.

Not good to hear, but glad she was vaccinated, and here's hoping she'll be back to normal soon. Out of curiosity, what made her decide to get tested if she didn't have any symptoms? Was it a scheduled test at work?

[canman1971]

Well, off from our normal track of contentious debate, my wife just came back with a positive test. We've all been vaccinated since spring, she's 53 and has zero symptoms whatsoever and is quarantining. My kid and I are going on Thursday to get tested but we all feel completely 100% fine, thank you vaccine for that. We're all avoiding people (more than usual) in the meantime.

Damn, I wish you all the best. I signed up to get tested weekly and so far so good. I feel you will all be good. Peace.

[Bad-Thoma]

Well, off from our normal track of contentious debate, my wife just came back with a positive test. We've all been vaccinated since spring, she's 53 and has zero symptoms whatsoever and is quarantining. My kid and I are going on Thursday to get tested but we all feel completely 100% fine, thank you vaccine for that. We're all avoiding people (more than usual) in the meantime.

Not good to hear, but glad she was vaccinated, and here's hoping she'll be back to normal soon. Out of curiosity, what made her decide to get tested if she didn't have any symptoms? Was it a scheduled test at work?

She got tested because she was out of town for the weekend, just seemed like the right thing to do. Complete shock that it came back positive.

[exculpatory]

Well, off from our normal track of contentious debate, my wife just came back with a positive test. We've all been vaccinated since spring, she's 53 and has zero symptoms whatsoever and is quarantining. My kid and I are going on Thursday to get tested but we all feel completely 100% fine, thank you vaccine for that. We're all avoiding people (more than usual) in the meantime.

Not good to hear, but glad she was vaccinated, and here's hoping she'll be back to normal soon. Out of curiosity, what made her decide to get tested if she didn't have any symptoms? Was it a scheduled test at work?

She got tested because she was out of town for the weekend, just seemed like the right thing to do. Complete shock that it came back positive.

BT
Glad to hear she is asymptomatic - most likely because she was vaxxed! My very best of wishes, my friend.

[Bad-Thoma]

Not good to hear, but glad she was vaccinated, and here's hoping she'll be back to normal soon. Out of curiosity, what made her decide to get tested if she didn't have any symptoms? Was it a scheduled test at work?

She got tested because she was out of town for the weekend, just seemed like the right thing to do. Complete shock that it came back positive.

BT
Glad to hear she is asymptomatic - most likely because she was vaxxed! My very best of wishes, my friend.

Thanks Ex, appreciated. No worries here other than making sure we don't spread it around.

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Per the video, the health systems in Alberta and Saskatchewan are nearing collapse, while Quebec's and Ontario's are doing a little bit better. Now check out the vaccination rate per province: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228184/canadian-population-share-received-covid-vaccination-province/

Unless your brain is in full weekend mode, the inference is easy.

It's a choice between our freedoms on one side and the collapse of the health system on the other (plus the financial disaster that would ensue). Tough one.

I live in Canada. There is no collapse of the health care system. Also lol at believeing anything coming from CTV msm.

When you force a mandate with tons of health care workers flipping the bird at said mandate, there is no pandemic. Its coersion plain and simple.

I also just fought off covid. It’d be a good start to promote real non expensive natural treatment methods - but there’s no money to be made from that.

Actually, quack medicine is a huge business.

Alex Jones of Infowars has built a following by pushing conspiracy theories, but he makes money by selling nutritional supplements.

It’s also true, however, for more mainstream, establishment parts of the right. For example, Ben Shapiro, considered an intellectual on the right, hawks supplements.

Look at who advertises on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show. After Fox itself, the top advertisers are My Pillow, then three supplement companies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/30/opinion/covid-misinformation-supplements.html

"Follow the money" indeed.

[GWVan]

I'm actually not trying to tell people to get vaxxed or not. I just don't want to hear the fake science or victim complexes. No one cares.

Curious as to which category I might fall into. Spouting fake science or having a victim complex are not things I've every been accused of, and I've been accused a lot.

The latter.

Huh, while I suppose your perspective of 15 years of sharing some internet space could give you a distorted view. I haven't given you much to go on, I'm generally more of a listener than a pontificator. But I absorb a lot and genuinely am interested in different point of view and reshape my own over and over.

But you seem willing to offer strong opinions without basis, does that not invalidate all you say?

[GWVan]

I'm actually not trying to tell people to get vaxxed or not. I just don't want to hear the fake science or victim complexes. No one cares.

Curious as to which category I might fall into. Spouting fake science or having a victim complex are not things I've every been accused of, and I've been accused a lot.

You haven't offered any science at all that I can remember, just your personal problem with having to get vaccinated to keep a job. So in this instance you know that the vaccine is safe enough that you are taking it to keep your job but the thought of perhaps protecting someone else's health wasn't a good enough motivator and you're in this thread complaining about it I'd lean towards being a little bit of a victim. That probably sounds harsher than I mean it to.

I'm not expressing myself properly, Got the vaccine yesterday, never intended not to get it. I was very careful and responsible for a fraternal organization full of 80 and 90 somethings. I feel I made the right decisions and we did not lose anyone to Covid. I have been the primary contact to the outside world for my 85 year old mother and got her vaccinated as soon as it was possible. I feel like I have done a great job navigating the pandemic.

I have a problem with central planning mandates, they never feel right. I had covid in July and certainly have enough antibodies to carry me for a bit but a unilateral mandate that does not account for comorbidity or existing antibodies just gets my hackles up.

Truth is none of that matters, what matters is that people seem so sure of their opinions today that they shout everyone down. It's ok to belittle and demean without taking the time to understand the other side.

I'm not sure why I went after this windmill but I think we can close it out now that I've gotten the shot. At least here. I do have friends and family that are knuckle dragging red state Trump supporters that are abusing me for caving in. As is becoming more and more common these days I'm getting crap from both sides. Everyone is so polarized and sure of themselves that they cannot tolerate any nuance to anyone else's opinion

[Curmudgeon]

Where I live folks aren't polarized. 85-90% of the people are vaccinated and there are 10-15% of jerks who refuse The jerks are fortunate that the vaccinated create herd immunity that helps protect them as well as us.

[Bad-Thoma]

Curious as to which category I might fall into. Spouting fake science or having a victim complex are not things I've every been accused of, and I've been accused a lot.

You haven't offered any science at all that I can remember, just your personal problem with having to get vaccinated to keep a job. So in this instance you know that the vaccine is safe enough that you are taking it to keep your job but the thought of perhaps protecting someone else's health wasn't a good enough motivator and you're in this thread complaining about it I'd lean towards being a little bit of a victim. That probably sounds harsher than I mean it to.

I'm not expressing myself properly, Got the vaccine yesterday, never intended not to get it. I was very careful and responsible for a fraternal organization full of 80 and 90 somethings. I feel I made the right decisions and we did not lose anyone to Covid. I have been the primary contact to the outside world for my 85 year old mother and got her vaccinated as soon as it was possible. I feel like I have done a great job navigating the pandemic.

I have a problem with central planning mandates, they never feel right. I had covid in July and certainly have enough antibodies to carry me for a bit but a unilateral mandate that does not account for comorbidity or existing antibodies just gets my hackles up.

Truth is none of that matters, what matters is that people seem so sure of their opinions today that they shout everyone down. It's ok to belittle and demean without taking the time to understand the other side.

I'm not sure why I went after this windmill but I think we can close it out now that I've gotten the shot. At least here. I do have friends and family that are knuckle dragging red state Trump supporters that are abusing me for caving in. As is becoming more and more common these days I'm getting crap from both sides. Everyone is so polarized and sure of themselves that they cannot tolerate any nuance to anyone else's opinion

Here's the problem with that - science isn't an opinion. Science doesn't care about your opinion. I'm not trying to shout you down, I'm debating some of what you say but I don't think you are unreasonable in the way you say it. I don't like being told what to do, I don't like big pharma, I don't trust the government, I have a lot of these things in common with some of our anti vax people. But science doesn't care about any of that and the science of vaccination is tried and sound despite the flood of misinformation and crazy out there (on both sides of the aisle).

[coach mang]

There’s a DH Lawrence quote about how people vocal about how free they are or want to be are already the least free psychologically .. the cry of liberty is a rattling of chains..

gIna love to see br'er mcceltic add a touch of class to these otherwise dreary proceedings. ol davey herbert also wrote

My great religion is a belief in the blood, the flesh, as being wiser than the intellect. We can go wrong in our minds. But what our blood feels and believes and says, is always true. The intellect is only a bit and a bridle.

da blud o ye blud compels ye indeed bub

fast forward 70ish years and Lasch observes

that the thinking classes are fatally removed from the physical side of life... They live in a world of abstractions and images; a simulated world that consists of computerized models of reality... Their belief in the social construction of reality, the central dogma of postmodernist thought reflects the experience of living in an artificial environment from which everything that resists human control has been rigorously excluded. Control has become their obsession and their drive to isolate themselves against risk and the contingency against the unpredictable hazards that afflict human life. The thinking classes have seceded not just from the common world around them but from reality itself.

fast forward 25 years and here we are




One more uplifting quote from our bub dh,

Life is ours to be spent, not to be saved.


surely on this we can all agree kalife

[Andrew McCeltic]

Lasch is great but you just broke my brain

[Bad-Thoma]

Well, off from our normal track of contentious debate, my wife just came back with a positive test. We've all been vaccinated since spring, she's 53 and has zero symptoms whatsoever and is quarantining. My kid and I are going on Thursday to get tested but we all feel completely 100% fine, thank you vaccine for that. We're all avoiding people (more than usual) in the meantime.

Got my test back and I'm covid free, haven't heard on my kid yet. It's kind of amazing considering my wife and I spent plenty of time in close quarters before she got her result back.

[Parliament10]

Well, off from our normal track of contentious debate, my wife just came back with a positive test. We've all been vaccinated since spring, she's 53 and has zero symptoms whatsoever and is quarantining. My kid and I are going on Thursday to get tested but we all feel completely 100% fine, thank you vaccine for that. We're all avoiding people (more than usual) in the meantime.

Got my test back and I'm covid free, haven't heard on my kid yet. It's kind of amazing considering my wife and I spent plenty of time in close quarters before she got her result back.

Good to hear. I hope that your Kid comes out clean, too.

[Bad-Thoma]

Well, off from our normal track of contentious debate, my wife just came back with a positive test. We've all been vaccinated since spring, she's 53 and has zero symptoms whatsoever and is quarantining. My kid and I are going on Thursday to get tested but we all feel completely 100% fine, thank you vaccine for that. We're all avoiding people (more than usual) in the meantime.

Got my test back and I'm covid free, haven't heard on my kid yet. It's kind of amazing considering my wife and I spent plenty of time in close quarters before she got her result back.

Good to hear. I hope that your Kid comes out clean, too.

She did, back to school tomorrow.

[Captain_Caveman]

Curious as to which category I might fall into. Spouting fake science or having a victim complex are not things I've every been accused of, and I've been accused a lot.

The latter.

Huh, while I suppose your perspective of 15 years of sharing some internet space could give you a distorted view. I haven't given you much to go on, I'm generally more of a listener than a pontificator. But I absorb a lot and genuinely am interested in different point of view and reshape my own over and over.

But you seem willing to offer strong opinions without basis, does that not invalidate all you say?

Nope.