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Where do we stack up in the West?

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Where do we stack up in the West?

Home Court (1 through 4 seed)
3
8%
Definite Playoff Team (5 or 6 seed)
2
5%
Home Play-In (7 or 8)
10
27%
Away Play-In (9-10)
17
46%
Lottery bound (11-15)
5
14%
 
Total votes: 37

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Re: Where do we stack up in the West? 

Post#21 » by Note30 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:45 pm

Nick K wrote:I said 1-4 home court advantage. Our talent stacks up with anybody. We finally have a coach. We're deep as hell. If not, we'll be close. Injuries change everything.

Like Phx last year we'll be the surprise of the NBA this year.

I don't mind sticking my neck out on the line.

This team is different from any in the past. The curse is gone. New ownership is here. We're a more mature club. The minutes the young guys got last year will pay dividends.

The Lakers will be tough but they are getting old. I'm not afraid of Phx or Utah. The Clips are tough with Kawhi.

That's how I see it without rose colored glasses.


I wish I had your optimism, life must be dope with a view like that
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Re: Where do we stack up in the West? 

Post#22 » by Klomp » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:01 pm

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We've seen increased focus for Edwards on defense. And it's nice that he's like fifth in line as far as needing to be a primary on-ball guy. Let him roam while these other guys take the harder assignments. He can use his physical gifts to shine against the lesser of the opponents' offensive threats (ie Wiggins instead of Curry/Thompson).
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Re: Where do we stack up in the West? 

Post#23 » by Nick K » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:12 pm

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Nick K wrote:I said 1-4 home court advantage. Our talent stacks up with anybody. We finally have a coach. We're deep as hell. If not, we'll be close. Injuries change everything.

Like Phx last year we'll be the surprise of the NBA this year.

I don't mind sticking my neck out on the line.

This team is different from any in the past. The curse is gone. New ownership is here. We're a more mature club. The minutes the young guys got last year will pay dividends.

The Lakers will be tough but they are getting old. I'm not afraid of Phx or Utah. The Clips are tough with Kawhi.

That's how I see it without rose colored glasses.


I wish I had your optimism, life must be dope with a view like that


It is what you make it to be. :)

Why not? We have essentially 3 all-stars starting with a very deep bench and really good coach. Add it up. Yesterday doesn't always equal tomorrow. It's a new day today.
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Re: Where do we stack up in the West? 

Post#24 » by Klomp » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:20 pm

Nick K wrote:It is what you make it to be. :)

Why not? We have essentially 3 all-stars starting with a very deep bench and really good coach. Add it up. Yesterday doesn't always equal tomorrow. It's a new day today.

This is all true, but tomorrow can help inform when projecting what tomorrow might look like. I don't blame pessimists for their viewpoint. I don't blame optimists for their viewpoint.
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Re: Where do we stack up in the West? 

Post#25 » by KGdaBom » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:35 pm

Nick K wrote:
Note30 wrote:
Nick K wrote:I said 1-4 home court advantage. Our talent stacks up with anybody. We finally have a coach. We're deep as hell. If not, we'll be close. Injuries change everything.

Like Phx last year we'll be the surprise of the NBA this year.

I don't mind sticking my neck out on the line.

This team is different from any in the past. The curse is gone. New ownership is here. We're a more mature club. The minutes the young guys got last year will pay dividends.

The Lakers will be tough but they are getting old. I'm not afraid of Phx or Utah. The Clips are tough with Kawhi.

That's how I see it without rose colored glasses.


I wish I had your optimism, life must be dope with a view like that


It is what you make it to be. :)

Why not? We have essentially 3 all-stars starting with a very deep bench and really good coach. Add it up. Yesterday doesn't always equal tomorrow. It's a new day today.

Well said. :D
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Re: Where do we stack up in the West? 

Post#26 » by younggunsmn » Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:25 pm

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Klomp wrote:Tier 3
Clippers
Mavericks
Blazers
Grizzlies
Wolves

Something worth pointing out here that I hadn't actually considered when making the list. Talent has them in this tier, but Dallas and Portland have some unknowns here when it comes to the new coaches. We knew what to expect when it came to Carlisle and Stotts, but I have no clue about Kidd and Billups.


Good point about Carlisle and Stotts.
Those 2 are the gold standard for having teams that are always prepared, playing structured, and giving top effort.
Who knows what we will get from Kidd and Billups.
Unless Lillard or Luka get hurt though, those teams are making the playoffs no doubt.
Portland is a team to watch though, you wonder how many times they can re-arrange the deck chairs before the boat sinks.
Reminds me of those early 2000's KG teams struggling to build around a star in his prime.
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Re: Where do we stack up in the West? 

Post#27 » by younggunsmn » Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:48 pm

Vegas Odds has this order:

1. Lakers
2. Warriors
3. Jazz
4. Suns
5. Nuggets
6. Clips
7. Mavs
8. Blazers
9. Grizz
10. Pelicans
11. Kings
12. Wolves
13. Spurs
14. Rockets
15. Thunder

My tiers (Barring a trade)
line up pretty much wih the vegas odds.

1-7. (Title contenders)
Suns
Jazz
Nuggets
Lakers
Clips
Warriors
Mavs

8-9 (inside track to a playoff spot)
Blazers
Girzzlies

10-12 (so you're saying there's a chance)
Pelicans
Kings
Wolves

13-15 (tank mode)
Spurs
Rockets
Thunder

It's only taken watching 2 preseason games to remind me how bad Russell is defensively and what a huge hole we still have at the 4, and I think those 2 things are going to put a hard cap on our ceiling.
Bolmaro looks really good defensively, the length and athleticism is legit and he could be a wild card if the offense comes along.
I definitely see some incremental improvement with some of our young roleplayers like Nowell, Naz, McDaniels, and Vanderbilt, the bench may be better this year.

We need to do 3 things I think to have a shot at a .500 record or a play in spot:
1. Stay Healthy
2. Defend our home court
3. Take care of business against the teams we are supposed to beat and sneak enough wins as the underdog.
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Re: Where do we stack up in the West? 

Post#28 » by winforlose » Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:10 am

younggunsmn wrote:Vegas Odds has this order:

1. Lakers
2. Warriors
3. Jazz
4. Suns
5. Nuggets
6. Clips
7. Mavs
8. Blazers
9. Grizz
10. Pelicans
11. Kings
12. Wolves
13. Spurs
14. Rockets
15. Thunder

My tiers (Barring a trade)
line up pretty much wih the vegas odds.

1-7. (Title contenders)
Suns
Jazz
Nuggets
Lakers
Clips
Warriors
Mavs

8-9 (inside track to a playoff spot)
Blazers
Girzzlies

10-12 (so you're saying there's a chance)
Pelicans
Kings
Wolves

13-15 (tank mode)
Spurs
Rockets
Thunder

It's only taken watching 2 preseason games to remind me how bad Russell is defensively and what a huge hole we still have at the 4, and I think those 2 things are going to put a hard cap on our ceiling.
Bolmaro looks really good defensively, the length and athleticism is legit and he could be a wild card if the offense comes along.
I definitely see some incremental improvement with some of our young roleplayers like Nowell, Naz, McDaniels, and Vanderbilt, the bench may be better this year.

We need to do 3 things I think to have a shot at a .500 record or a play in spot:
1. Stay Healthy
2. Defend our home court
3. Take care of business against the teams we are supposed to beat and sneak enough wins as the underdog.


I take issue with a few of your rankings. I don’t think the Suns are anywhere near the top of the west. They got very lucky playing injured teams and staying mostly healthy last year. Also CP3 played well above his sustainable abilities last season. I see this as a back to earth year.

The Lakers will be lucky to make the playoffs given their respective player ages and injury inclinations. I see Lebron and AD missing significant time and Westbrook will not likely make up the production from the 3 players he replaced. Though Melo is a worthy addition.

I agree with your conditions and would emphasize KAT, Dlo, and Ant must all remain healthy in that order. That said I see us around number 6 give or take a spot. I see the nuggets struggling without Murray and the clippers to collapse without Leonard. GSW will rise or fall depending on Klay and they are one injury to Curry away from being done. I see the Wolves and Memphis on the rise this year.
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Re: Where do we stack up in the West? 

Post#29 » by younggunsmn » Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:30 am

IMHO any of those 7 teams have a legitimate shot to come out of the west if things fall right for them.
It all depends on who is healthiest/playing together the best in May and June.
You can play the "one injury away" game with every team.

Wolves exceeding expectations will hinge on 2 things:
1. Ant taking a leap, becoming the alpha on offense, and making this his team
2. Finch checking egos and giving playing time and touches solely on who is most conducive to winning.
Maybe that means Russell takes a big leap and becomes a functional defensive player.
But it could also mean Beverly/Bolmaro/Okogie on the floor late in the game protecting leads.
I think swapping Russell for SImmons would be good for an extra 10 wins.
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Re: Where do we stack up in the West? 

Post#30 » by winforlose » Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:43 am

younggunsmn wrote:IMHO any of those 7 teams have a legitimate shot to come out of the west if things fall right for them.
It all depends on who is healthiest/playing together the best in May and June.
You can play the "one injury away" game with every team.

Wolves exceeding expectations will hinge on 2 things:
1. Ant taking a leap, becoming the alpha on offense, and making this his team
2. Finch checking egos and giving playing time and touches solely on who is most conducive to winning.
Maybe that means Russell takes a big leap and becomes a functional defensive player.
But it could also mean Beverly/Bolmaro/Okogie on the floor late in the game protecting leads.


While it is true that you can play the one injury away game with every team, it is important to acknowledge who is already injured. Without Leonard the Clippers will not be a top tier team. They have too many role players and not enough stars. Kenard would need an all star season for them to have any chance at title I don’t see it happening. The Nuggets without Murray and having lost Gary Harris are going to struggle. As for the Suns, time will tell, but I think if you look at CP3 in the seasons before last you will see that last year was big for him. If he cannot repeat it can you honestly say they are top of the west?

As for Ant making this team his, it isn’t likely to happen. Ant has flaws which limit him. For example his 3 point shooting doesn’t seem that improved yet, and would need to make a major leap to get him the spacing he needs to make defenders respect his game to the level they respect other top wings or even KAT. Also, KAT is going to have a monster year with a healthy Dlo to run 2 man game with him. We have more defensive talent this year than last and this will allow us to keep the leads that KAT builds. Don’t get me wrong, Ant can have a very good year, but this is still KAT’s team.

As for Finch, we agree accountability is key. I do however think it is more about Finch finding the right uses for guys like JO, Vando, Beverly, and Prince that will make us succeed. Finch is a master of increasing offensive efficiency, and these guys are all high potential players when put in the proper position to succeed. For Vando and JO that means cutting at the right moments, playing at the elbow, and getting out ahead in transition (also turning defense into offense, though that sometimes counts as getting out in transition.) For Beverly and Prince it is all about catch and shoot 3s and running the right ball screen actions (sometimes on ball, sometimes off, sometimes pick and roll sometimes pick and pop.) Finch needs to feed the hot hand and he will win games.
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Post#31 » by Klomp » Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:57 pm

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