Kyrie Irving Megathread: [Latest] NETS Will Not Offer Irving $186M Extension

[levon]

You can repeatedly catch it while vaccinated, and there is plenty of data to suggest it's at least as effective, if not more effective. Even if it wasn't, when does that number become acceptable? 50% as effective? 75%? 90%? 99%? Natural immunity has always been acceptable until COVID. Why isn't it now?

There's plenty of evidence to suggest natural immunity wears off within a few months. You feel it's more effective to repeatedly catch the various strains of COVID and likely feel more side effects than just taking a vaccine?

Also, natural immunity has not been acceptable before COVID. We take a multitude of required vaccines sincs infancy that keep our society as sterile as it is as compared to other societies that don't have that luxury. We've all but eliminated certain diseases from the Earth through vaccinaton. Evidently you prefer a future where we all pull ourselves up by the bootstraps at 3 years old and tangle with whatever delightful strain of measles has evolved from replication in unvaxed humans. The kids that die from it en masse, that would be acceptable in your eyes.

I suggest you look at some of the horrible ways people die in societies less privileged than yours so that you appreciate what a robust public health system does for you every day so that you even have the opportunity to sit here and weigh the benefits of a free vaccine against a disease that has killed 700k of your fellow countrymen.

[Ambrose]

IT is not because you can repeatedly catch it and it is not as effective and catching it and taking the vaccine.

You can repeatedly catch it while vaccinated, and there is plenty of data to suggest it's at least as effective, if not more effective. Even if it wasn't, when does that number become acceptable? 50% as effective? 75%? 90%? 99%? Natural immunity has always been acceptable until COVID. Why isn't it now?

Its like you didn't even read my post. Cool.

I definitely misinterpreted/misread the end of your post. That is my bad. My counter to that would be why would someone have to do both if one is good enough?

[Ambrose]

You can repeatedly catch it while vaccinated, and there is plenty of data to suggest it's at least as effective, if not more effective. Even if it wasn't, when does that number become acceptable? 50% as effective? 75%? 90%? 99%? Natural immunity has always been acceptable until COVID. Why isn't it now?

There's plenty of evidence to suggest natural immunity wears off within a few months. You feel it's more effective to repeatedly catch the various strains of COVID and likely feel more side effects than just taking a vaccine?

Also, natural immunity has not been acceptable before COVID. We take a multitude of required vaccines sincs infancy that keep our society as sterile as it is as compared to other societies that don't have that luxury. We've all but eliminated certain diseases from the Earth through vaccinaton. Evidently you prefer a future where we all pull ourselves up by the bootstraps at 3 years old and tangle with whatever delightful strain of measles has evolved from replication in unvaxed humans. The kids that die from it en masse, that would be acceptable in your eyes.

I suggest you look at some of the horrible ways people die in societies less privileged than yours so that you appreciate what a robust public health system does for you every day so that you even have the opportunity to sit here and weigh the benefits of a free vaccine against a disease that has killed 700k of your fellow countrymen.

There is significantly more evidence that the vaccines wane before natural immunity does. The rest is all meaningless assumptions.

[levon]

You can repeatedly catch it while vaccinated, and there is plenty of data to suggest it's at least as effective, if not more effective. Even if it wasn't, when does that number become acceptable? 50% as effective? 75%? 90%? 99%? Natural immunity has always been acceptable until COVID. Why isn't it now?

There's plenty of evidence to suggest natural immunity wears off within a few months. You feel it's more effective to repeatedly catch the various strains of COVID and likely feel more side effects than just taking a vaccine?

Also, natural immunity has not been acceptable before COVID. We take a multitude of required vaccines sincs infancy that keep our society as sterile as it is as compared to other societies that don't have that luxury. We've all but eliminated certain diseases from the Earth through vaccinaton. Evidently you prefer a future where we all pull ourselves up by the bootstraps at 3 years old and tangle with whatever delightful strain of measles has evolved from replication in unvaxed humans. The kids that die from it en masse, that would be acceptable in your eyes.

I suggest you look at some of the horrible ways people die in societies less privileged than yours so that you appreciate what a robust public health system does for you every day so that you even have the opportunity to sit here and weigh the benefits of a free vaccine against a disease that has killed 700k of your fellow countrymen.

There is significantly more evidence that the vaccine wanes before natural immunity does. The rest is all meaningless assumptions.

It's easy to claim things baselessly and not address entire posts. Unfortunately there's neither natural immunity or vaccination against misinformation.

[xdrta+]

You can repeatedly catch it while vaccinated, and there is plenty of data to suggest it's at least as effective, if not more effective. Even if it wasn't, when does that number become acceptable? 50% as effective? 75%? 90%? 99%? Natural immunity has always been acceptable until COVID. Why isn't it now?

There's plenty of evidence to suggest natural immunity wears off within a few months. You feel it's more effective to repeatedly catch the various strains of COVID and likely feel more side effects than just taking a vaccine?

Also, natural immunity has not been acceptable before COVID. We take a multitude of required vaccines sincs infancy that keep our society as sterile as it is as compared to other societies that don't have that luxury. We've all but eliminated certain diseases from the Earth through vaccinaton. Evidently you prefer a future where we all pull ourselves up by the bootstraps at 3 years old and tangle with whatever delightful strain of measles has evolved from replication in unvaxed humans. The kids that die from it en masse, that would be acceptable in your eyes.

I suggest you look at some of the horrible ways people die in societies less privileged than yours so that you appreciate what a robust public health system does for you every day so that you even have the opportunity to sit here and weigh the benefits of a free vaccine against a disease that has killed 700k of your fellow countrymen.

There is significantly more evidence that the vaccines wane before natural immunity does. The rest is all meaningless assumptions.

There is no credible evidence of that. There is evidence that immunity after having Covid varies greatly from person to person, from strong to weak. There is overwhelming evidence that getting the vaccine after having Covid provides the strongest immunity of all.

[Ambrose]

There's plenty of evidence to suggest natural immunity wears off within a few months. You feel it's more effective to repeatedly catch the various strains of COVID and likely feel more side effects than just taking a vaccine?

Also, natural immunity has not been acceptable before COVID. We take a multitude of required vaccines sincs infancy that keep our society as sterile as it is as compared to other societies that don't have that luxury. We've all but eliminated certain diseases from the Earth through vaccinaton. Evidently you prefer a future where we all pull ourselves up by the bootstraps at 3 years old and tangle with whatever delightful strain of measles has evolved from replication in unvaxed humans. The kids that die from it en masse, that would be acceptable in your eyes.

I suggest you look at some of the horrible ways people die in societies less privileged than yours so that you appreciate what a robust public health system does for you every day so that you even have the opportunity to sit here and weigh the benefits of a free vaccine against a disease that has killed 700k of your fellow countrymen.

There is significantly more evidence that the vaccine wanes before natural immunity does. The rest is all meaningless assumptions.

It's easy to claim things baselessly and not address entire posts. Unfortunately there's neither natural immunity or vaccination against misinformation.

You're doing exactly what you're claiming I'm doing.

[CeltsfaninDC]

stepping on the US Flag?

yes it is.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/700

This law was struck down by the Supreme Court in 1990.

I can't believe you actually thought it was still illegal to step on a flag.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Protection_Act

I honestly don't know what they're teaching kids in school these days. I thought it was pretty common knowledge that flag burning was a protected 1st Amendment right, let alone stepping on a flag. This has been pretty settled law for quite a while now.

See, I told ya.....

[Ambrose]

There's plenty of evidence to suggest natural immunity wears off within a few months. You feel it's more effective to repeatedly catch the various strains of COVID and likely feel more side effects than just taking a vaccine?

Also, natural immunity has not been acceptable before COVID. We take a multitude of required vaccines sincs infancy that keep our society as sterile as it is as compared to other societies that don't have that luxury. We've all but eliminated certain diseases from the Earth through vaccinaton. Evidently you prefer a future where we all pull ourselves up by the bootstraps at 3 years old and tangle with whatever delightful strain of measles has evolved from replication in unvaxed humans. The kids that die from it en masse, that would be acceptable in your eyes.

I suggest you look at some of the horrible ways people die in societies less privileged than yours so that you appreciate what a robust public health system does for you every day so that you even have the opportunity to sit here and weigh the benefits of a free vaccine against a disease that has killed 700k of your fellow countrymen.

There is significantly more evidence that the vaccines wane before natural immunity does. The rest is all meaningless assumptions.

There is no credible evidence of that. There is evidence that immunity after having Covid varies greatly from person to person, from strong to weak. There is overwhelming evidence that getting the vaccine after having Covid provides the strongest immunity of all.

It's pretty common knowledge that the vaccines wane over time. Most examples cited between 6-10 months. Hence the need for and pushing of boosters. I agree with the last sentence but that doesn't really have anything to do with what I said.

[Pointgod]

What do you mean man! Do it for the guy who relies on you as a form of labor and would easily replace you for someone cheaper if they could! Don't be so selfish!

Is your stance that so many people dying has no negative impact on society?

So, the vaccine works right?

My understanding is it:
1. Reduces the odds of the vaccinated catching the virus
2. In the event that they do catch it, it severely diminishes the effects

If both 1 and 2 are true, why are people worried about pushing the vaccine onto others? If #1 and #2 are FALSE, why are we pushing a faulty vaccine?

I say this as someone who is double vaxxed.

Let’s present a simple scenario. Let’s say there are 400 million people in the US. If only 50% are vaccinated, that still leaves you with 200 million unvaccinated people that will continue to spread the virus at higher rates, overwhelm hospitals and ICUs and become vectors for a mutated virus. The problem with this line of thinking is that the unvaccinated aren’t changing their behavior, will continue to interact with vaccinated people and simply carry higher risks.

We’ve seen a real life AB test with states that went full stupid and banned mask mandates and vaccine mandates saw increases in cases, hospitalizations and deaths compared to other states with higher vaccination rates and mandates.

The last thing I’ll say is that unvaccinated employees aren’t worth the possible disruption in business when there’s a positive case. If you’re in an office building with 1000s of people that interact and breath on each other, what happens in the case when an unvaccinated person tests positive? Is your solution to just go on with business as usual and let the infection spread? Or does it make more sense to require a vaccine mandate where you might lose 1% of employees but significantly reduce your risk of infection and having to completely shut down business operations?

[Creativetran]

I absolutely hate people who say do your own research, like MF what kind of research do you think a normal person can do vs the world science community who says we should vaccinate...

[xdrta+]

There is significantly more evidence that the vaccines wane before natural immunity does. The rest is all meaningless assumptions.

There is no credible evidence of that. There is evidence that immunity after having Covid varies greatly from person to person, from strong to weak. There is overwhelming evidence that getting the vaccine after having Covid provides the strongest immunity of all.

It's pretty common knowledge that the vaccines wane over time. Most examples cited between 6-10 months. Hence the need for and pushing of boosters. I agree with the last sentence but that doesn't really have anything to do with what I said.

You said vaccines wane before natural immunity does, claimed there was "significantly more evidence" for that. That is patently false.

[Pointgod]

I hope Irving retires.

He won’t need to retire. There’s no way any team, including the Nets is giving him a long term contract when he’s a free agent. You’d have to be absolutely stupid to.

[levon]

There is significantly more evidence that the vaccine wanes before natural immunity does. The rest is all meaningless assumptions.

It's easy to claim things baselessly and not address entire posts. Unfortunately there's neither natural immunity or vaccination against misinformation.

You're doing exactly what you're claiming I'm doing.

There's nothing funny about this dude. The one study you're referring to is the Israel Delta breakthrough parroted by a class-A moron politician who will be unnamed and couldn't contextualize a 3rd grade science fair project, much less this study. And the conclusion of this very study is that vaccination provides even broader protection in conjunction with natural immunity. There have been a wealth of studies in the US that suggest the opposite conclusions--that natural immunity is fickle and wanes quickly and acts on different antibodies than the vaccine. Even if you're confident of your natural immunity, it's still unilaterally advised you take the vaccine. Hey, maybe you'll be our big-brained super-immune guy and stop the spread of this garbage sooner.

But there is no credible scientific study anywhere that suggests the antivax position is defensible, unless you have a specific medical condition conflicting with the vaccine.

I refrained from citing evidence because I'm not your search engine. The burden of proof is on you, as you're making the claim that differs from the vast majority of the scientific community.

[Texas Chuck]

I absolutely hate people who say do your own research, like MF what kind of research do you think a normal person can do vs the world science community who says we should vaccinate...

None. But we live in a society of people who encase themselves in echo chambers and follow propaganda artists who have beaten down the credibility of legitimate sources of information to the point they honestly believe that facebook or Tucker or Daily Caller are the same as a peer-reviewed medical journal or the AMA or the CDC or the WHO.

So there is no telling them anything that isn't what they want to hear because they've been conditioned to believe they are entitled only to "facts" they like. Ironically after years of making facts don't care about your feelings their catchphrase.

So yes they think checking their likeminded social feeds for 45 minutes is doing research equivilant to thousands and thousands of trained experts in laboratory settings who have been working on these issues for decades.

[Ambrose]

There is no credible evidence of that. There is evidence that immunity after having Covid varies greatly from person to person, from strong to weak. There is overwhelming evidence that getting the vaccine after having Covid provides the strongest immunity of all.

It's pretty common knowledge that the vaccines wane over time. Most examples cited between 6-10 months. Hence the need for and pushing of boosters. I agree with the last sentence but that doesn't really have anything to do with what I said.

You said vaccines wane before natural immunity does, claimed there was "significantly more evidence" for that. That is patently false.

We have strong evidence that the vaccines wane within a year. We do not for natural immunity. There was early data showing immunity lasting 3 months. This was proven patently false, and a large reason for that was because there simply wasn't enough data at that point.

[NyKnicks1714]

I absolutely hate people who say do your own research, like MF what kind of research do you think a normal person can do vs the world science community who says we should vaccinate...

And here's the thing. There's actually nothing wrong with a non-scientist reading a paper and finding problems with the study design or disagreeing with the conclusion. It's a great thing actually, if the person knows what they're doing. The problem is that most "research" done by the "do your own research" crowd doesn't involve peer-reviewed journalism. And for the small percentage that does, most is poorly analyzed. The majority of people aren't interested in reading scientific papers, and more yet don't know how to properly evaluate them. So we turn to scientists because by and large, they're a lot better at this than the general public is. We all put our trust in experts in various fields in one way or another in our everyday lives; politics have gotten in the way of that here.

[HardenGoat]

people need to get vaccinated so they can keep providing $$$ to govt and companies? i get what you are trying to say but you just kinda killed the argument.

You missed the point. I'm saying that even if the vaccine only protects the individual (which is false), that benefit is still a benefit to society, whether that's economically, socially, or in terms of happiness for lack of a better word. Tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people have died in this country because they opted not to get the vaccine. Millions of people losing loved ones for absolutely no good reason takes a toll on society.

i think drunk driving laws are better analogies. examples you bring up are kinda bad. productivity isnt why society needs to keep its members alive. if that was the case then those who can't work and pay taxes might as well die off.

How about wearing seatbelts on a plane, prevents you from becoming a human missile inside the cabin but also prevents serious injury to yourself. Kyrie should fight that mandate as well, for freedoms sake...

[xdrta+]

It's pretty common knowledge that the vaccines wane over time. Most examples cited between 6-10 months. Hence the need for and pushing of boosters. I agree with the last sentence but that doesn't really have anything to do with what I said.

You said vaccines wane before natural immunity does, claimed there was "significantly more evidence" for that. That is patently false.

We have strong evidence that the vaccines wane within a year. We do not for natural immunity. There was early data showing immunity lasting 3 months. This was proven patently false, and a large reason for that was because there simply wasn't enough data at that point.

This has been explained to you at length on the actual vaccine thread, yet you come to this one and make the same false claims.

[infinite11285]

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There’s a COVID Thread on the GB and the CA Forum where you all can discuss the science and social aspects of coronavirus. Please review the below and post accordingly.

Hey folks the thread has veered off topic and into pure politics again. Which is not allowed. Please do not post political comments and please do not respond to political comments. This is about Kyrie Irving and the Nets and the NBA. We have a current affairs board for politics and a covid thread for your thoughts on the virus or vaccine.

I know these "friendly reminders" probably make some of you roll your eyes but I think it's preferable to issuing official warnings and strikes and bans etc. We don't want to lose more users because of derailing this thread. Thanks.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Thread in shambles, what a surprise