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Re: Waive Watch: Gillespie and Perry waived 

Post#61 » by will » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:55 pm

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sbsat wrote:Freddy has not looked like what he provided last season, not sure what happened!


Lets see if Freddy G gets on with the Raps 905.

Was nice to see him play with the opportunity he had last year.


Apparently Freddie' G-League rights are held by Memphis.


Well, then I wish for Freddie G to get mad playing time with the Memphis G-League squad!
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Re: Waive Watch: Gillespie and Perry waived 

Post#62 » by ash_k » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:55 pm

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Boselecta wrote:So far the right cuts I believe Bonga gets cut then sent to the g-league. Not sure why decker gets so much hate around here he looks like a solid depth player if we were ever dealing with injuries has experience

Experience? He was out the league the last 2 years.
Last season was the first time that he shot very well from 3, but that was in Europe
Both Svi and Bonga have started more NBA games than he has and are both much younger.

Dekker's profile as a player does not fit compared to Svi, Bonga and others. Unless he has some hidden defensive skills we are not aware of.


I thought Svi is already a lock which is why I didn't include him. When I say experience I mean the more polished player, one that could step in and provide if we needed him in a emergency injury situation. I like Bonga but he seems very raw would like to see him developed in the g-league for a season or two.

Step in? He has been out of the league 2 years for a reason. Don't forget the ONLY selling point when we signed him (as it was a surprising one) was "he shot 40+% from 3p in Europe". I just cant see where he fits with this team. He cant play ahead 10th/11th man like Yuta and others
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Re: Waive Watch: Gillespie and Perry waived 

Post#63 » by gojoorange » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:15 pm

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ash_k wrote:Experience? He was out the league the last 2 years.
Last season was the first time that he shot very well from 3, but that was in Europe
Both Svi and Bonga have started more NBA games than he has and are both much younger.

Dekker's profile as a player does not fit compared to Svi, Bonga and others. Unless he has some hidden defensive skills we are not aware of.


I thought Svi is already a lock which is why I didn't include him. When I say experience I mean the more polished player, one that could step in and provide if we needed him in a emergency injury situation. I like Bonga but he seems very raw would like to see him developed in the g-league for a season or two.

Step in? He has been out of the league 2 years for a reason. Don't forget the ONLY selling point when we signed him (as it was a surprising one) was "he shot 40+% from 3p in Europe". I just cant see where he fits with this team. He cant play ahead 10th/11th man like Yuta and others


Dekker's shooting is nice but I can't see Nurse asking him to be a shot creator in that 15th man role. The defensive footspeed is pretty bad and Bonga/Wainwright being better defenders makes them more plug and play in my opinion. Especially if they can hit the occasional 3 from the corner.
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Re: Waive Watch: Gillespie and Perry waived 

Post#64 » by pharring » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:21 pm

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I thought Svi is already a lock which is why I didn't include him. When I say experience I mean the more polished player, one that could step in and provide if we needed him in a emergency injury situation. I like Bonga but he seems very raw would like to see him developed in the g-league for a season or two.

Step in? He has been out of the league 2 years for a reason. Don't forget the ONLY selling point when we signed him (as it was a surprising one) was "he shot 40+% from 3p in Europe". I just cant see where he fits with this team. He cant play ahead 10th/11th man like Yuta and others


Dekker's shooting is nice but I can't see Nurse asking him to be a shot creator in that 15th man role. The defensive footspeed is pretty bad and Bonga/Wainwright being better defenders makes them more plug and play in my opinion. Especially if they can hit the occasional 3 from the corner.


I think Matt Thomas showed the limits of carrying a shooting specialist. I know Dekker is taller and more experienced, but Bonga is the new McCaw.
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Post#65 » by dgr81 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:27 pm

Is this confirmation that Ish is sticking around?

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Post#66 » by ThemCrookedRefs » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:37 pm

^I don't think so. They probably planned to go the Leafs game as a group. Nothing to do with his roster status. I believe the deadline to trim the roster to 17 is October 18.
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Re: Waive Watch: Gillespie and Perry waived 

Post#67 » by pingpongrac » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:44 pm

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ash_k wrote:
Boselecta wrote:
I thought Svi is already a lock which is why I didn't include him. When I say experience I mean the more polished player, one that could step in and provide if we needed him in a emergency injury situation. I like Bonga but he seems very raw would like to see him developed in the g-league for a season or two.

Step in? He has been out of the league 2 years for a reason. Don't forget the ONLY selling point when we signed him (as it was a surprising one) was "he shot 40+% from 3p in Europe". I just cant see where he fits with this team. He cant play ahead 10th/11th man like Yuta and others


Dekker's shooting is nice but I can't see Nurse asking him to be a shot creator in that 15th man role. The defensive footspeed is pretty bad and Bonga/Wainwright being better defenders makes them more plug and play in my opinion. Especially if they can hit the occasional 3 from the corner.
Bonga is a career (albeit just ~130 games) 30% three-point shooter and he's basically just an extra ball handler and solid defender. I think Bonga makes the team as the 14th/15th man if we were lacking in the versatile wing department, but don't we already have enough 6'8" players -- and some that are limited in how they can score -- on our roster? Barnes, OG and Siakam can do 99% of what Bonga brings to the table but better then we have other players like Achiuwa and Banton who have similar strengths and weaknesses as well as players like Boucher and Yuta that would also be ahead of Bonga on the depth chart.

To me, the selling point to keeping Bonga over Dekker (or Wainright for that matter) is simply the difference in age. Dekker and Wainright both give us something (shooting) that we need a lot more than another 6'8" body that isn't a threat on the offensive end.

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Re: Waive Watch: Gillespie and Perry waived 

Post#68 » by mtcan » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:53 pm

dgr81 wrote:Is this confirmation that Ish is sticking around?

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It's confirmation he got free tickets. haha
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Re: Waive Watch: Gillespie and Perry waived 

Post#69 » by Boselecta » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:24 pm

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gojoorange wrote:
ash_k wrote:Step in? He has been out of the league 2 years for a reason. Don't forget the ONLY selling point when we signed him (as it was a surprising one) was "he shot 40+% from 3p in Europe". I just cant see where he fits with this team. He cant play ahead 10th/11th man like Yuta and others


Dekker's shooting is nice but I can't see Nurse asking him to be a shot creator in that 15th man role. The defensive footspeed is pretty bad and Bonga/Wainwright being better defenders makes them more plug and play in my opinion. Especially if they can hit the occasional 3 from the corner.
Bonga is a career (albeit just ~130 games) 30% three-point shooter and he's basically just an extra ball handler and solid defender. I think Bonga makes the team as the 14th/15th man if we were lacking in the versatile wing department, but don't we already have enough 6'8" players -- and some that are limited in how they can score -- on our roster? Barnes, OG and Siakam can do 99% of what Bonga brings to the table but better then we have other players like Achiuwa and Banton who have similar strengths and weaknesses as well as players like Boucher and Yuta that would also be ahead of Bonga on the depth chart.

To me, the selling point to keeping Bonga over Dekker (or Wainright for that matter) is simply the difference in age. Dekker and Wainright both give us something (shooting) that we need a lot more than another 6'8" body that isn't a threat on the offensive end.

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This is my point half of our roster does what Bonga does but much better. Dekker would be the 14th/15th man 40+% from 3p in Europe is not bad we have seen plenty of guys go over to Europe for a few years then come back to the NBA and have respectable careers such as Anthony Parker and PJ Tucker. And its not like he's a complete pylon on defense like Matt Thomas
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Post#70 » by C_Money » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:32 pm

Tough decision. All 3 of them looked pretty good.
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Post#71 » by bon » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:41 pm

Is one fluke shooting game really enough to save Dekker a spot? He's never really displayed that shot making ability in his life plus he's not much of a defender.
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Post#72 » by Zeno » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:45 pm

mtcan wrote:
dgr81 wrote:Is this confirmation that Ish is sticking around?

Read on Twitter

It's confirmation he got free tickets. haha

Could be pity tickets for all we know.
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Post#73 » by gojoorange » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:45 pm

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ash_k wrote:Step in? He has been out of the league 2 years for a reason. Don't forget the ONLY selling point when we signed him (as it was a surprising one) was "he shot 40+% from 3p in Europe". I just cant see where he fits with this team. He cant play ahead 10th/11th man like Yuta and others


Dekker's shooting is nice but I can't see Nurse asking him to be a shot creator in that 15th man role. The defensive footspeed is pretty bad and Bonga/Wainwright being better defenders makes them more plug and play in my opinion. Especially if they can hit the occasional 3 from the corner.
Bonga is a career (albeit just ~130 games) 30% three-point shooter and he's basically just an extra ball handler and solid defender. I think Bonga makes the team as the 14th/15th man if we were lacking in the versatile wing department, but don't we already have enough 6'8" players -- and some that are limited in how they can score -- on our roster? Barnes, OG and Siakam can do 99% of what Bonga brings to the table but better then we have other players like Achiuwa and Banton who have similar strengths and weaknesses as well as players like Boucher and Yuta that would also be ahead of Bonga on the depth chart.

To me, the selling point to keeping Bonga over Dekker (or Wainright for that matter) is simply the difference in age. Dekker and Wainright both give us something (shooting) that we need a lot more than another 6'8" body that isn't a threat on the offensive end.

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I think the age difference is significant though, especially in a development year. I am not sure how much run any of them would get so the upside swing makes sense. The redundancy with that skillset is also a good thing in my opinion. If any of large defensive/playmaking wings make significant improvements, that's one of the most coveted players in the league.
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Post#74 » by rrdjutriurt » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:50 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:so it comes down to Dekker, Wainwright, and Bonga for two spots.
Both Bonga and Dekker are entirely more suited for what the Raptors are trying to emphasize. Haven't been too impressed on Wainwright in any aspect of the game other then his relatively decent three point stroke. Bonga is only 21 and the Raps development program needs to be put to the test because he's very athletic and could improve immensely.

Dekker showed he can come in late and change game momentum completely with his quality three point stroke. He was able to get his shot off super quick both in motion and under duress in large part because of his decent height. Perfect high energy guy to bring off the bench when no-one seems to be hitting their shots. The Raps will play a super high tempo game this year and to keep up that pace they will need to rely heavily on a deep bench especially on those back to backs.
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Post#75 » by C_Money » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:51 pm

bon wrote:Is one fluke shooting game really enough to save Dekker a spot? He's never really displayed that shot making ability in his life plus he's not much of a defender.

He shot 45% from 3 in Europe last year.
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Post#76 » by Zeno » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:59 pm

It is pretty clear that some folks don't want Dekker on the team based on the word of Jr Smith and his propensity to wear footwear on sofas.
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Post#77 » by ash_k » Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:02 pm

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bon wrote:Is one fluke shooting game really enough to save Dekker a spot? He's never really displayed that shot making ability in his life plus he's not much of a defender.

He shot 45% from 3 in Europe last year.

and prior to that
2019-20 30% from 3
2018-19 30% from 3
2017-18 17% from 3
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Post#78 » by C_Money » Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:06 pm

ash_k wrote:
C_Money wrote:
bon wrote:Is one fluke shooting game really enough to save Dekker a spot? He's never really displayed that shot making ability in his life plus he's not much of a defender.

He shot 45% from 3 in Europe last year.

and prior to that
2019-20 30% from 3
2018-19 30% from 3
2017-18 17% from 3


Well clearly he’s worked on his shot since then.
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Post#79 » by pingpongrac » Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:08 pm

ash_k wrote:
C_Money wrote:
bon wrote:Is one fluke shooting game really enough to save Dekker a spot? He's never really displayed that shot making ability in his life plus he's not much of a defender.

He shot 45% from 3 in Europe last year.

and prior to that
2019-20 30% from 3
2018-19 30% from 3
2017-18 17% from 3
Sample size. He took more threes in 20/21 than 17/18 and 18/19 combined and he only attempted 33 (in 10 games) in 19/20. It's obvious he has worked on his shooting the last 2 years.

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Post#80 » by ash_k » Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:12 pm

C_Money wrote:
ash_k wrote:
C_Money wrote:He shot 45% from 3 in Europe last year.

and prior to that
2019-20 30% from 3
2018-19 30% from 3
2017-18 17% from 3


Well clearly he’s worked on his shot since then.

So he seems to be able to shoot it against European "length" and possibly in a NBA preseason game. Last time he had to shoot it over NBA length&quickness: He was shooting that 3 at 30%. Do you have any information on his defense? There seems to be nothing there.
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