Kyrie Irving Megathread: [Latest] NETS Will Not Offer Irving $186M Extension

[Duke4life831]

Kyrie is an absolute disgrace of a human being

Haha are you serious? Is he a narcissist? No doubt. Does he think he’s smarter than he really is? I sure as hell think so. Is he a guy I’d like to work with or hangout with? Hell no.

But maybe you should read up on ya charity work and the amount of money he has donated to some amazing charity organizations before you call him a disgrace of a human being.

It blows my mind how extreme people turn on others. You don’t like a guy’s personality from the very little you know of him and you don’t agree with some of his stances on some issues.

Okay. That doesn’t make him a horrible human. That doesn’t mean he has some mental issues. People need to take a chill pill with all this crap.

[Packbuckman]

That is pretty much forcing it. I don't remember any job ever asking if I had a vaccine or not. Telling someone to take a vaccine or lose their livelihood is an ultimatum. It's no easy to find a new job...I'm glad that some people can go job to job without any issues but not everyone is like that.

Some jobs requiring vaccination isn’t new.

Still not understanding why you would support mandates. Why would you want anyone to be given an ultimatum with taking a vax or losing their livelihood. In what world is that the right way to go about something?

In the end government’s make the rules and laws to abide by for the betterment of the country like them or not that’s how it’s always has been.

[Loaded_Hollows]

Vaccines are literally mandated when you go to school as a child. This isn't new lol.

This is such BS. If I want to be crippled by Polio, that’s my right!!! I missed out on the chance to have itchy blisters because my stupid school made me get the chicken pox vaccine I hate this country!

[Mr Puddles]

There's nothing commendable about signing a contract, taking up cap space, and then not honoring said contract because you decided to become a virologist overnight.

[Lockdown504090]

I don’t agree with his stance, but if he does end up getting vaccinated soon I hope he isn’t met with the same criticisms that other players who got vaccines when it started costing them money did. He’s proven repeatedly it’s not about the money for him . I don’t even mind the mandates, I just respect him seeing the consequences and making a tough decision, one way or the other

[whatisacenter]

I have beliefs and am my own person and I am guessing you are too. I have no idea what kind of mental issues Kyrie has or if he even has any so I have no comment on that.

[seren]

Vaccines are literally mandated when you go to school as a child. This isn't new lol.

Also military.

Also applying for green card to be a permanent resident.

Also student visa.

[SNPA]

Still not understanding why you would support mandates. Why would you want anyone to be given an ultimatum with taking a vax or losing their livelihood. In what world is that the right way to go about something?

In the world where that person’s job could put my grandma or immune compromised friends in danger of dying from destruction of their lungs. This is real straight forward stuff.

Your grandma should be fine if she's taken the vax, right? And I suppose your immune compromised friends will have to lose their jobs as well since these mandates are pretty strict

There are medical and religious exemptions.

You seem to be bought into a narrative that people have the right to endanger others and their employer should continue to pay them while doing so. That’s not how the free market works, and if someone has a government job and doesn’t want to get vaxed they can easily escape the tyranny of government over reach by….wait for it…not working for the government. This is all straight forward stuff. Basic.

[jg77]

In the world where that person’s job could put my grandma or immune compromised friends in danger of dying from destruction of their lungs. This is real straight forward stuff.

Your grandma should be fine if she's taken the vax, right? And I suppose your immune compromised friends will have to lose their jobs as well since these mandates are pretty strict

There are medical and religious exemptions.

You seem to be bought into a narrative that people have the right to endanger others and their employer should continue to pay them while doing so. That’s not how the free market works, and if someone has a government job and doesn’t want to get vaxed they can easily escape the tyranny of government over reach by….wait for it…not working for the government. This is all straight forward stuff. Basic.

So the vax doesn't work then? Thanks.

[Loaded_Hollows]

I’m sure Kyrie is simply doing his own research. He’s buying beakers and microscopes as we speak. He’ll be staying up late, conducting lots of experiments. Just you wait.

[pro24]

People are missing the point.

It's Kyrie's body, Kyrie's choice. It's not American or liberal to impose one's morality on another person even if you think he's being stupid.

Look what's happening in Australia. Just look at the history of the world, the history of big government authoritarian regimes that have made life a living hell and genocided people that don't submit to their authority.

If you give an inch to government they will take a mile as it pertains to your civil liberties. This new decade has been straight out of a Dystopian movie script and it will just get worse as marginally more of us blindly follow the State and the more of us, attack anyone who dares to think, do differently.

[youngthegiant]

This getting ridiculous, I don't even know why Kyrie is responding to the BS. People go to packed stadiums with no mask and no vaccine requirement. Why TF does the media care so much about Kyrie lol.

[SNPA]

Your grandma should be fine if she's taken the vax, right? And I suppose your immune compromised friends will have to lose their jobs as well since these mandates are pretty strict

There are medical and religious exemptions.

You seem to be bought into a narrative that people have the right to endanger others and their employer should continue to pay them while doing so. That’s not how the free market works, and if someone has a government job and doesn’t want to get vaxed they can easily escape the tyranny of government over reach by….wait for it…not working for the government. This is all straight forward stuff. Basic.

So the vax doesn't work then? Thanks.

That’s a non sequitur.

[NirvanaFC]

People are missing the point.

It's Kyrie's body, Kyrie's choice. It's not American or liberal to impose one's morality on another person even if you think he's being stupid.

Look what's happening in Australia. Just look at the history of the world, the history of big government authoritarian regimes that have made life a living hell and genocided people that don't submit to their authority.

If you give an inch to government they will take a mile as it pertains to your civil liberties. This new decade has been straight out of a Dystopian movie script and it will just get worse as marginally more of us blindly follow the State and the more of us, attack anyone who dares to think, do differently.

YES we should all start driving cars drunk as well!! FREEDOM TO DRINK AND DRIVE!

[Balls Deep]

Kyrie is an absolute disgrace of a human being

Haha are you serious? Is he a narcissist? No doubt. Does he think he’s smarter than he really is? I sure as hell think so. Is he a guy I’d like to work with or hangout with? Hell no.

But maybe you should read up on ya charity work and the amount of money he has donated to some amazing charity organizations before you call him a disgrace of a human being.

It blows my mind how extreme people turn on others. You don’t like a guy’s personality from the very little you know of him and you don’t agree with some of his stances on some issues.

Okay. That doesn’t make him a horrible human. That doesn’t mean he has some mental issues. People need to take a chill pill with all this crap.

Tons of rich people give money to charity.. that doesn't make him special. Any person in a position of power that's an anti-vaxxer is a clown and contributing to the demise of society.

[jg77]

People are missing the point.

It's Kyrie's body, Kyrie's choice. It's not American or liberal to impose one's morality on another person even if you think he's being stupid.

Look what's happening in Australia. Just look at the history of the world, the history of big government authoritarian regimes that have made life a living hell and genocided people that don't submit to their authority.

If you give an inch to government they will take a mile as it pertains to your civil liberties. This new decade has been straight out of a Dystopian movie script and it will just get worse as marginally more of us blindly follow the State and the more of us, attack anyone who dares to think, do differently.

Australia is building "quarantine" camps to combat the virus. Not even joking. And some people think that's a good thing. Wake up folks...you're really on the wrong side of history here.

Kyrie seeing the bigger picture.

[Jadoogar]

Your grandma should be fine if she's taken the vax, right? And I suppose your immune compromised friends will have to lose their jobs as well since these mandates are pretty strict

There are medical and religious exemptions.

You seem to be bought into a narrative that people have the right to endanger others and their employer should continue to pay them while doing so. That’s not how the free market works, and if someone has a government job and doesn’t want to get vaxed they can easily escape the tyranny of government over reach by….wait for it…not working for the government. This is all straight forward stuff. Basic.

So the vax doesn't work then? Thanks.

people wearing seatbelts can still die, get rid of seatbelts. You're infringing on my right to drive in freedom
How can people be this stupid?

[lakerz12]

I think the covid vaccine is good and I received it, but I 100% support a person's right to decline it.

Prior to this, I felt Kyrie was an idiot.

But, someone should stand up for those who are essentially being asked/forced to undergo a medical procedure against their will.

In this case, Kyrie is fighting for a worthy cause and I commend him for it.

Obviously I have no idea what his intentions actually are, but at least he's a contrarian in a world of Yes men.

You can believe the Covid Vaccines are effective and healthy, and still support someone's right to decline it! The two are not mutually exclusive.

[jg77]

There are medical and religious exemptions.

You seem to be bought into a narrative that people have the right to endanger others and their employer should continue to pay them while doing so. That’s not how the free market works, and if someone has a government job and doesn’t want to get vaxed they can easily escape the tyranny of government over reach by….wait for it…not working for the government. This is all straight forward stuff. Basic.

So the vax doesn't work then? Thanks.

people wearing seatbelts can still die, get rid of seatbelts. You're infringing on my right to drive in freedom
How can people be this stupid?

This response makes me laugh every time. It's been repeated so many times. And it is not the same thing.

[HotelVitale]

I agree that he's constantly learning and hasn't shied away from taking tough stances, and for years I've said that we should give Kyrie another 5-10 years or so to figure out who he really is and what path he's been on. He's a brooder and seems to be constantly searching for things, and he's a black american with indigenous roots so of course he's got a lot of reason to doubt and distrust, especially for something involving the government and medicine. And I really do respect the fact that he's not just looking for easy answers or trying to just go along with one or another crowd.

But at some point you also have to make a judgment about how someone's thinking and acting, and this might be my tipping point for that. I don't care at all that he's skipping basketball--it's his life and we'll barely notice in a few years--and I don't think it's a sign of good 'character' to always follow through on your commitments etc. (That's frankly a little childish and ignores basic critical thinking.) But the pandemic has killed 700k people, it definitely effects poor and POC folks much more, and there's already been mountains of misinformation perpetrated about it, and I'm struggling to find a reason why taking this public stance is commendable. I don't think it matters that much in the long term--maybe I'm naive but don't think thousands of people will follow Kyrie's lead--so I don't want to come down on him or anything, but it's hard to respect him coming to that conclusion.

There are some legit criticisms you can make about vaccine mandates, e.g. they might have a big impact on poorer americans, the motive for many institutions is to 'return to normal' and that means not addressing larger problems again, etc. But helping people not to die or suffer from a strange illness isn't a bad thing and it's definitely not contrary to any tradition of liberation thought that I know of. If Kyrie was generally sort of selfish and didn't seem to have the good of the whole (and especially the global poor) then I could write it off, but my loose take now is that he's reaching here for a reason to be contrary, 'independent,' or apart from the crowd, instead of just making a clear judgment about what the best move is. And in general he maybe seems a little stuck on thinking that being 'free-thinking' means being anti- or contrary. I'll keep editing my opinion as more info comes in, and either way I still think Kyrie might become a pretty good dude down the line.