PG: Pistons vs Knicks

[WargamesX]

The eat what you kill, we got dogs, yada yada days How quickly we forgot

Forum asked for a culture change, got it, proceeded to complain.

i hate all this winning, i didn't become a knicks fan because i wanted to watch a team win games, this is not what i signed up for, i would like a refund

Honestly if Thibs plays them at this minute load all season there is nothing to complain about. RJ and Randle had 34 and 33 minutes each. That’s actually normal….

Rose had 31 minutes but if Kemba is playing every other game that isn’t insane because the next game he would just play less minutes….

Yeah it would be nice for the rookies to play, but honestly they don’t have too if the minutes aren’t crazy for everyone else.

[HerSports85]

Rose “I don’t want to rest and I feel Taj is the same way” - these 2 will always be Thibs guys.

I just be on edge every time Rose starts limping, especially in preseason games, because he’s so vital to our bench being dominate

[HerSports85]

Randle “I’m actually happy we had a game like this, where we don’t shoot well”

I said it in the game thread, we needed a game like this.we need to find ways to win when the 3 not falling.

Also contrary to belief, I don’t think our defense will take that much of a hit, we played team lock down defense for a nice stretch this game. As Thibs say, we just have to become a 48 min team.

[mpharris36]

Are we the Nuggets? Do we have a league MVP? Also, didn't Jamal Murray tear his ACL playing for him which ultimately cost them everything in the playoffs? Well there goes your whole theory huh?

This ain't no theory, you and I both know that if we had the league MVP Thibs still wouldn't change his approach (D-Rose basically admitted that in his post game presser). Thibs is thibs. You take the good with the bad. Good thing there is far more good then there is bad when it comes to Thibs...unlike a lot of our previous coaches that sucked at coaching.

But you just ducking your own theory to basically come to a conclusion of different coaches have different methods. Did you arrive at what is right and what is wrong? Of course not, because the coach you just compared Thibs to lost a player to an ACL injury and guess what? He's not Thibs and doesn't coach like Thibs. So what was your point again? Thibs has his way, right we know this, but did you prove his method is wrong? No unfortunately not.

I'm not ducking any theory. I'm simply saying Thibs is in a minority on his minutes/preseason handling (its why he continues to get questioned on it by the media. Its the reason Rose laughed at the question because he knows Thibs is a mad man too. Pop once said the most important part of preseason was getting to your dinner reservations on time. That doesn't mean his teams were working any less hard in practice.

Again I am not here proving a method right or wrong. I'm simply saying stating my opinion on the matter. I can appreciate Thibs approach and mindset that everything matters. But there is risk to that. And that is not saying there is risk to other approaches as well. Call me crazy but Derrick Rose a prior league MVP that has done nearly everything at this level doesn't need 31 minutes in a preseason game to get ready for a season. Thibs may feel he does, me personally I think thats excessive with his injury past.

[mpharris36]

Rose “I don’t want to rest and I feel Taj is the same way” - these 2 will always be Thibs guys.

I just be on edge every time Rose starts limping, especially in preseason games, because he’s so vital to our bench being dominate

Rose is a gamer, but I remember in Minnesota when thibs use to play him on b2b 30 minutes a night he play would diminish and then he would miss the next few games dealing with an injury. Sometimes as a coach you need to save your players from themselves.

Rose and Taj are warriors they would play every minute for Thibs if they could. Ultimately there should be a level of balance that you can prepare for the regular season while also being cautious because outside a few young guys in our rotation. Our team mostly consists of vets. And a lot of them like you say our key to our success.

[BugginOut]

Thibs just won COTY and lead one of the greatest one season turn-arounds in Knicks history.

I think he’s earned the benefit of the doubt for at least this season when it comes to rotations and minutes.

[mpharris36]

Thibs just won COTY and lead one of the greatest one season turn-arounds in Knicks history.

I think he’s earned the benefit of the doubt for at least this season when it comes to rotations and minutes.

No doubt. This is even getting blown way out of proportion. I think a few people posted he's a mad man or he's crazy to bring back rose/randle for a preseason game in the 4th. And then some get so defensive questioning the almighty thibs.

Thibs was the COY and is one of the best coaches in basketball if you are looking to extract the most out of a roster. But he isn't without faults. Ask CHI fans or MIN fans. There are risk/rewards to his methods is all I was pointing out.

[DOT]

I mean, I think it's a bit nuts to play every preseason game like it's a regular season game in terms of minutes, but it's only 4 of them, and we've had plenty of rest in between, so whatever

I just think we're putting a lot of faith in staying healthy this year, especially at PG with two guys with questionable injury proneness

I don't think it'll be like last year, where our defense would have been good enough to carry us if one of Rose or Kemba missed a few games, and if they're both missing multiple games at once, we're in deep sh*t.

[blueNorange]

i mentioned this in the game thread but this was my fav win out of the 3 preseason games so far because outside of gibson and rose, nobody was good the entire game.

ransle had a great 2nd half, rj had a good 2nd half etc but the first half was bad basketball -- andthat's not really a bad thing because not everyone will be on their A game every night so you gotta gut it out and find a way to win -- and they did.

[cgmw]

Knock knock: I’m here for the 82-0 thread

[Knick4Real]

I had to work late, so I got home in time to catch the encore broadcast of the game.

THE KEY TO THE WIN: Taj Gibson.

Taj said "You think I'm old?? Hold my beer!"

[DaGawd]

Randle is different. He doesnt even look like hes trying. Could be looking at 50 40 80 Season.

He took over with relative ease, not a Randle guy but hope to God I'm dead wrong.

I don’t understand this not a Randle guy sentiment from some of y’all.. he’s the best player we’ve had since Melo, plays the right way and WANTS to be a Knick and take on the responsibility of leading us back to relevance.. what more can y’all want??

[Knick4Real]

Randle is different. He doesnt even look like hes trying. Could be looking at 50 40 80 Season.

He took over with relative ease, not a Randle guy but hope to God I'm dead wrong.

I don’t understand this not a Randle guy sentiment from some of y’all.. he’s the best player we’ve had since Melo, plays the right way and WANTS to be a Knick and take on the responsibility of leading us back to relevance.. what more can y’all want??

I think his performance (or lack thereof) in the playoffs left some questioning if he really has what it takes to get us to the next level. I was one of those doubters, although I've moved on and am allowing him a clean slate this season to show us his playoffs disappearance was a fluke. It's possible not everybody is ready to forgive yet.

[HarthorneWingo]

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[thebuzzardman]

The fact that Randle didn't get injured should be topic of conversation, no? Yet it's the other way around, we are playing the what if game and not accepting what actually happened. Knicks were one of the healthies teams in the entire league last year, with Thibs being Thibs. Yet, what we do want to focus on is what if scenarios. There are coaches who load managed players and still lost them to injuries before the playoffs. I mean, nobody is perfect, you are right, and neither are your suggestions and opinions or those of other coaches around the league.

I mean there are analytics that suggest guys playing certain amount of minutes or b2b 30 minutes each night are at a higher risk for injury. Its kind of why the NBA has gone to "load management". This theory didn't come out of thin air.

We were healthy last year but there are years and years of data and maybe last year was an outlier. Time will tell.

Again there is a reason that Thibs is like the only coach that treats preseason like this. There are many successful coaches that don't. Thibs is our nut job and I appreciate that everything means something to him. He doesn't waiver.

But he is also stubborn and a nut job. Those can be both the case at the same time. I'm just saying hopefully the bad side of that doesn't rear its ugly head one day.

There is no consistency with that at all whatsoever. Do you know what analytics say to Thibs? If I don't play my key guys big minutes I'm not winning many games

If guys are going to get hurt, they will get hurt because of the nature of the game. This whole big minutes=injuries argument is so lazy and not needed. Are guys in shape, what are their genes, body type, play style, are we talking freak injuries or some long term thing years down the road, you got trainers and medical team there for a reason, you got individual players with different circumstances, all pro athletes are supposed to listen to their body and communicate with trainers and coaches. That's how load management is supposed to go, player not feeling good enough to play, sit the game out. If you are available to the coach then you are available. Unless you are on a minutes restriction for whatever reason, then you are good to go. The team isn't good enough to afford key guys to sit out for long stretches, so as long as that's the case they won't. We aren't a super team, so there is no on/off switch we can hit during the season. We aren't a young rebuilding team where slow progress is the route. They are aiming to be better than last year and Thibs is going to push them to achieve that. Rotation will be short, nonsense won't be tolerated, he's going to coach from opening tip until final buzzer, it's awesome and great to see. Injuries can and will happen regardless of coaching, that's just the nature of the game. You know this already but we need something to complain about like every year so here we are.

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[thebuzzardman]

Thibs setting the tone early so the team can hit the ground running. I have no problem with him coaching as if these games matter. It’s actually quite refreshing cuz I remember the days of going into the 1st month of the season with no set rotation and coaches like Fiz and Hornacek still playing 11-man rotations.

Compared to other years they will come out with the same amount of minutes played because there is less pre season games.

Thibs is the opposite of Joe judge the giants head coach.

He didn’t play his starters in preseason and it shows.

You get paid millions upon millions you should be able to work half a year. Along with take care of you’re body.

I did so when I wasn’t getting paid millions with a personal chef and my own facility and personal doctors.


People really over look into the minutes.

My coach would rub us down in practice because he said even if your having bad games you’ll out play them on defense and they will be tired and once they are tired you will catch back up and out score them.

We won the title that year and went undefeated.

Long story short condition yourself in the off season do post game regime to take care of you’re body and you should be fine.

Penn State? Ohio Wrestling?

[thebuzzardman]

The eat what you kill, we got dogs, yada yada days How quickly we forgot

Forum asked for a culture change, got it, proceeded to complain.

i spent most of my the last 20 years of my life watching the knicks, of course i dont know how to let myself feel pride\happiness

I'll have to admit it's been a real challenge. 90% of my posting is built on negativity. I'm using the preseason to work on this, but like RJ's dribble drive game, may take another year. Or never.

[oldshoolballer]

I had to work late, so I got home in time to catch the encore broadcast of the game.

THE KEY TO THE WIN: Taj Gibson.

Taj said "You think I'm old?? Hold my beer!"

Taj Gibson what a warrior.

[god shammgod]

play harder than everyone in the preseason, play harder than everyone in the regular season, get exposed in the playoffs when everyone else plays as hard. the ultimate tease.

[Reign23]

just my first couple of quick thoughts of the pre-season:
-Randle, RJ(even despite the poor shooting night), Rose, Burks seem as legit as last season
- even tho I like Fournier as a player I think Bullock would be a better fit. I know we needed more creators, but with Kemba, Rose, IQ, RJ, Burks and Randle I think a 3 and d guy would be better
-when you have so much depth, that Taj is your 3rd stringer, you can easily give up more players in a trade for a star without hurting your roster too much
-Knox will remain a 3rd stringer and will likely be gone after the season but I don't think his career will be over. he is a sniper
-I am still not totaly sold on IQ

thibs is so crazy that he grinds out every pre-season win as well. on the one hand it is good to create a winning mentality, but on the other... I think a first and early second round pick should get more than 59 seconds against the pistons bench in a meaningless game

overall we are in great shape tho