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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1161 » by dougthonus » Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:35 am

Almost Retired wrote:Well Doug, the post was meant to be satirical when viewed in its entirety. It was a final sign off on this thread for me. Lighten up dude. You work too many hours plus you got a family. Go bowling or something.


If you knew me well, you would know one of my great flaws in life is taking jokes seriously :lol:
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1162 » by micromonkey » Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:46 pm

Almost Retired wrote:
Dice, it was meant to be satirical as my last post on this thread.


When there is so much other info basically on the same level, the blur between satire and conspiracy is a fine one indeed.

Was the post about Mercks pill being the same as Ivermectin a satire--then later the one about it being instant cancer is satire?

The derpy website with the "one guy" who has world inflation figured out and everyone else is wrong

The video link of the doctor conflating COVID's spike protein with what the vaccines protein?

To be frank--there is just so much idiotic unsupported crap being thrown about--there is no difference in the end.

I see all of it a satire--a big joke on those reading and believing an ounce of it--with about as much truth as the Onion or Babylon Bee.

It's "flood the zone with poop"-- all of it.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1163 » by Dresden » Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:34 pm

micromonkey wrote:
Almost Retired wrote:
Dice, it was meant to be satirical as my last post on this thread.


When there is so much other info basically on the same level, the blur between satire and conspiracy is a fine one indeed.

Was the post about Mercks pill being the same as Ivermectin a satire--then later the one about it being instant cancer is satire?

The derpy website with the "one guy" who has world inflation figured out and everyone else is wrong

The video link of the doctor conflating COVID's spike protein with what the vaccines protein?

To be frank--there is just so much idiotic unsupported crap being thrown about--there is no difference in the end.

I see all of it a satire--a big joke on those reading and believing an ounce of it--with about as much truth as the Onion or Babylon Bee.

It's "flood the zone with poop"-- all of it.


Yes. When you make a moral equivalency between Dr. Fauci and Pol Pot, and do it in all seriousness, it's pretty hard to know when a person is joking and when he is not.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1164 » by Stratmaster » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:26 pm

dougthonus wrote:
waffle wrote:but the impact being there NOW is still a societal impact, right?

Like global warming? The fact that it is still there is a societal impact?

This isn't a case of the known evil, right?

Seems to me?

EDIT - but I am not a smart man, so you can probably ignore me. I'll just whimper in the corner


Seriously, are you okay?

I said I didn't explain myself clearly, re-explained, and you're still going off with four posts later ignoring everything I said complaining about semantics after clarification so you can have a 'gotcha' moment replying with no argument other than straight condescension and veiled insults. You're the bizarro-Almost Retired.
I had to come back and see if this thread was still going.

I see you are still poking back at anyone calling you out. I will say it again. You are the one who is off base here, and particularly as you are the decider of what content is being allowed.

But you won't step back and think about that.

All that said... have fun. I will check back periodically to see if this BS is still going on.

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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1165 » by Stratmaster » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:27 pm

micromonkey wrote:
Almost Retired wrote:
Dice, it was meant to be satirical as my last post on this thread.


When there is so much other info basically on the same level, the blur between satire and conspiracy is a fine one indeed.

Was the post about Mercks pill being the same as Ivermectin a satire--then later the one about it being instant cancer is satire?

The derpy website with the "one guy" who has world inflation figured out and everyone else is wrong

The video link of the doctor conflating COVID's spike protein with what the vaccines protein?

To be frank--there is just so much idiotic unsupported crap being thrown about--there is no difference in the end.

I see all of it a satire--a big joke on those reading and believing an ounce of it--with about as much truth as the Onion or Babylon Bee.

It's "flood the zone with poop"-- all of it.
Amen

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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1166 » by Dresden » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:27 pm

I'm glad to move this discussion over to the Covid thread, but just wanted to point out that while natural immunity appears to be as good as the immunity you get from the vax (at least one study indicated this), people who have natural immunity from previous infection but do NOT get vaccinated are still 2.5 times more likely to get re-infected than people who have had Covid AND get the shot. So there still is great benefit in getting the shot, regardless of your previous history.

My point about Kyrie being "ignorant and irresponsible" is strictly about him using his platform as a star athlete to mis-educate people. And I also think it's just crazy to decide that this is the issue to gamble your basketball career on, of all things.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1167 » by Almost Retired » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:41 pm

Dresden wrote:
micromonkey wrote:
Almost Retired wrote:
Dice, it was meant to be satirical as my last post on this thread.


When there is so much other info basically on the same level, the blur between satire and conspiracy is a fine one indeed.

Was the post about Mercks pill being the same as Ivermectin a satire--then later the one about it being instant cancer is satire?

The derpy website with the "one guy" who has world inflation figured out and everyone else is wrong

The video link of the doctor conflating COVID's spike protein with what the vaccines protein?

To be frank--there is just so much idiotic unsupported crap being thrown about--there is no difference in the end.

I see all of it a satire--a big joke on those reading and believing an ounce of it--with about as much truth as the Onion or Babylon Bee.

It's "flood the zone with poop"-- all of it.


Yes. When you make a moral equivalency between Dr. Fauci and Pol Pot, and do it in all seriousness, it's pretty hard to know when a person is joking and when he is not.


A bad as he was Pol Pot is attributed by most sources as having killed 1.7 - 2.5 Million Cambodians. The progenitors of the SARS 2 coronavirus , be they the scientists who did the gain of function research OR the persons responsible for funding that research directly or indirectly through straw men, will have killed 5 Million by the end of this year through reckless disregard of human life. That is the same standard of culpability as 3rd degree homicide. They knew what they were doing was extremely risky yet they carried on this research and willingly took that risk to the detriment of 5 million killed, millions sickened, economies destroyed. And now there are some reports that fear China is playing around with an even deadlier bug called the Nipah virus that has at least a 30% lethality. This type of research needs to be sanctioned out of existence. As I've said the U.N. should take some action for a change and do something actually useful for mankind. This is a threat to mankind itself. If the UN can't do anything about this type of activity then disband the organization because it has no usefulness considering all the money it's given by member nations.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1168 » by Dresden » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:55 pm

Almost Retired wrote:
Dresden wrote:
micromonkey wrote:
When there is so much other info basically on the same level, the blur between satire and conspiracy is a fine one indeed.

Was the post about Mercks pill being the same as Ivermectin a satire--then later the one about it being instant cancer is satire?

The derpy website with the "one guy" who has world inflation figured out and everyone else is wrong

The video link of the doctor conflating COVID's spike protein with what the vaccines protein?

To be frank--there is just so much idiotic unsupported crap being thrown about--there is no difference in the end.

I see all of it a satire--a big joke on those reading and believing an ounce of it--with about as much truth as the Onion or Babylon Bee.

It's "flood the zone with poop"-- all of it.


Yes. When you make a moral equivalency between Dr. Fauci and Pol Pot, and do it in all seriousness, it's pretty hard to know when a person is joking and when he is not.


A bad as he was Pol Pot is attributed by most sources as having killed 1.7 - 2.5 Million Cambodians. The progenitors of the SARS 2 coronavirus , be they the scientists who did the gain of function research OR the persons responsible for funding that research directly or indirectly through straw men, will have killed 5 Million by the end of this year through reckless disregard of human life. That is the same standard of culpability as 3rd degree homicide. They knew what they were doing was extremely risky yet they carried on this research and willingly took that risk to the detriment of 5 million killed, millions sickened, economies destroyed. And now there are some reports that fear China is playing around with an even deadlier bug called the Nipah virus that has at least a 30% lethality. This type of research needs to be sanctioned out of existence. As I've said the U.N. should take some action for a change and do something actually useful for mankind. This is a threat to mankind itself. If the UN can't do anything about this type of activity then disband the organization because it has no usefulness considering all the money it's given by member nations.


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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1169 » by dougthonus » Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:16 am

Stratmaster wrote:I had to come back and see if this thread was still going.


Well, it has been going for about a year and a half, so I assume it wasn't a big surprise...

I see you are still poking back at anyone calling you out. I will say it again. You are the one who is off base here, and particularly as you are the decider of what content is being allowed.


I made a comment to someone, whom four separate times mocked a phrase I corrected and provided an explanation for without acknowledging said explanation or discussing any point relevant to it. Even so, I didn't censor that person in any way (ie, decide what content is relevant).

Much like last time you commented to me in this thread, and I asked you to respond by actually provide some specific, relevant information as to what you are actually talking about but you decided not to, so what is eating you now? That I theorize the pandemic will get better (and used the phrase "hope" not "certainty") and think so because I believe vaccination rate will increase significantly due to government/corporate mandates and improved, delta specific vaccines? Sorry if you think that theory is way off base, feel free to tell me why you think so, you very well may have a great thought that I haven't considered.

But you won't step back and think about that.


It is hard to step back and think about something when someone had made a vague, nonsensical comment to you.

All that said... have fun. I will check back periodically to see if this BS is still going on.


Given that you have yet to define what BS is or what you object to, fair chance it will be.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1170 » by Stratmaster » Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:01 am

dougthonus wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:I had to come back and see if this thread was still going.


Well, it has been going for about a year and a half, so I assume it wasn't a big surprise...

I see you are still poking back at anyone calling you out. I will say it again. You are the one who is off base here, and particularly as you are the decider of what content is being allowed.


I made a comment to someone, whom four separate times mocked a phrase I corrected and provided an explanation for without acknowledging said explanation or discussing any point relevant to it. Even so, I didn't censor that person in any way (ie, decide what content is relevant).

Much like last time you commented to me in this thread, and I asked you to respond by actually provide some specific, relevant information as to what you are actually talking about but you decided not to, so what is eating you now? That I theorize the pandemic will get better (and used the phrase "hope" not "certainty") and think so because I believe vaccination rate will increase significantly due to government/corporate mandates and improved, delta specific vaccines? Sorry if you think that theory is way off base, feel free to tell me why you think so, you very well may have a great thought that I haven't considered.

But you won't step back and think about that.


It is hard to step back and think about something when someone had made a vague, nonsensical comment to you.

All that said... have fun. I will check back periodically to see if this BS is still going on.


Given that you have yet to define what BS is or what you object to, fair chance it will be.
Ok. I am going to try once more.

I am not debating your opinions. Everybody has one. I agree with most of them. Whether I agree with you or not has abso-f#$%ing-lutely nothing to do with anything.

Stating opinions that " life is pretty much back to normal", conjecture that the virus is going away, predicting it will become like a cold, that we should let it run it's course, the conspiracy theories from a certain poster, suggestions that vitamins would be helpful... Most of this is "unsupported" at best. Again, it doesn't matter which side of the opinions you, or I, am on.

Social media sites are being pressed to stop the spread of mis-information. The larger sites are doing fact checks and in egregious examples pulling posts down.

Meanwhile, I guess RealGM, a sports social media site, has multiple threads now where meatball sports fans like me can just post whatever they want on the subject to try and prove they are smart. I am told some are even further out there than this one.

If this site is going to go there with a public health emergency, it has a responsibility to monitor the content appropriately. But, at least in the case of this specific thread, the people responsible for monitoring the content are part of the conjecture, and in some cases, bad advice and opinions.

When this gets brought up, people ask that the person complaining prove their conjecture wrong. As if it is possible to prove where this will be in a month, or a year. Covid was going away once before, until it wasn't and Delta took hold. One of the reasons it spiked again were opinions being spread, by people with no qualifications, that it wasn't serious. That it was like a cold. That it would go away in its own. Thus, the crackdown on misinformation in social media.

So, what is "eating me", is that I have been supporting a site that is acting irresponsibly. As far as how long the thread has been here, the point is meaningless. I don't recall when I first noticed it, and at first it seemed it was to track what players might be out of lineups due to Covid and how the virus was affecting the NBA; a perfectly reasonable discussion for an NBA social media site to be having.

Ironically, I have seen basketball threads locked almost immediately because the thread made a claim that was unsupported by any evidence. Or quoted a source that was known to be unreliable.

So I won't be supporting it any more. Just like I don't support sites wth hate speech, or flat earth sites, etc.. Sad for me that I will need to try to find a new outlet for my sports info and discussion. No big whip for anyone but me, I know. The world will turn without any one of us tonight.

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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1171 » by micromonkey » Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:36 pm

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A bad as he was Pol Pot is attributed by most sources as having killed 1.7 - 2.5 Million Cambodians. The progenitors of the SARS 2 coronavirus , be they the scientists who did the gain of function research OR the persons responsible for funding that research directly or indirectly through straw men, will have killed 5 Million by the end of this year through reckless disregard of human life. That is the same standard of culpability as 3rd degree homicide. They knew what they were doing was extremely risky yet they carried on this research and willingly took that risk to the detriment of 5 million killed, millions sickened, economies destroyed. And now there are some reports that fear China is playing around with an even deadlier bug called the Nipah virus that has at least a 30% lethality. This type of research needs to be sanctioned out of existence. As I've said the U.N. should take some action for a change and do something actually useful for mankind. This is a threat to mankind itself. If the UN can't do anything about this type of activity then disband the organization because it has no usefulness considering all the money it's given by member nations.


The problem again is there is no real solid evidence for this. And to state it as fact hurts any real investigation and effort to find the origins. And many who are open to the lab leak of some sort--see this crap as a total distraction and waste of time.

Its clear the conspiracy crowd barely needs solid evidence--they have belief and will retrofit small bits of information to reinforce what they want. I've looked at all the conspiracy crowd stuff and its garbage--I would not waste my time as they are not adding to the research or debate--only bomb-throwing. If there was a lab leak this much I do know, absolutely nothing they have provided will be part of the real story. It amounts to Pizzagate level research with Lizard people living underneath the capital.

We do know there was gain of function research. We also know for a fact that the proposal that the US was involved with is 100% unrelated to SARS CoV2. There is currently no additional evidence of US funding anything that would fit the timeline of SARS-CoV2. If there is it will be real journalism, science research and reporting that will find it, not some dudes on reddit or twitter or some blog just making crap up. The intercept got the FOIA and followed up that got us the actual GoF info. I'm not a fan of Fauci but its idiotic to further an already unsupported claim to rope him in as well as compare him to Pol Pot.

There were other proposals for GoF that are (and here we agree) totally irresponsible and we can't have bureaucratic agencies making calls on this under the executive umbrella. It seemed Obama wanted a halt and once he found out--so did Trump. So there doesn't seem to be a political divide on this at least.

But there is no proof the other research exposed happened (grants were denied) and if they were later funded--the timeline would not line up with SARS CoV2. Additionally, there is zero research using any backbone remotely close to SARS-CoV2 in any GoF research. They have found similar ones in the wild with about 40 and 10 years of viral evolution from the SARS-COV2--the closest one was in Laos this year. The Laos finding puts the odds at least slightly in favor of natural origin, in lieu of any hard findings on the lab leak side.

Even if you believe there was a lab leak we do not for sure know if any GoF research out of that lab had anything to do with it or if it was just a jump from bat to human in the lab with no intermediary. These all still need to be investigated. Yes China is secretive and hiding data but they always do that--even with Swine flu in 2019. Unfortunately we can't simply assume this to mean it was lab made.

There is other evidence showing likely infections started October 2019 or before even (China) and some even hit the US in December 2019 (both quickly burned out). These were early less virulent strains, one of which possibly then mutated into "alpha".

China is currently using 200,000 blood samples of people in the province to see if they can find anything. In itself it is nothing and we can't totally trust China obviously but it may help point to possible origins--which would then need to be investigated.

Again with absolutely no chance of SARS1 being a lab leak it took 14 years to find the origin. So we need to see a lot more information before we can jump to any conclusion.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1172 » by Almost Retired » Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:56 pm

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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1173 » by DSand » Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:59 pm

Read on Twitter
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1174 » by waffle » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:34 pm

DSand wrote:
Read on Twitter


what does that even suggest?
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1175 » by DSand » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:44 pm

It was in response to the link posted right above my post
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1176 » by micromonkey » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:02 pm

Again wait for more information--conflicting information on youtube vs his twitter.
He may think it was the vaccine--but he could have also gotten the real thing.
Unless he had antibody tests its speculation either way.

That said--clots are a known possible, but low occurrence side effect.

Good news is he's fine now either way. There are lists of athletes who have died from real COVID--so that is what we are trying to prevent.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1177 » by 2018C3 » Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:05 am

The company I work for is being proactive to mandates, and gave all employees who can show proof of vaccine a decent bonus, and offered the same reward to un-vacinated employees who choose to get vaccinated.

I wont name the company, but do applaud them in there forward thinking tactics taken. There is no penalty for personnel decisions, just a reward for where they hope to go.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1178 » by Dresden » Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:49 pm

From today's NYT, about risks for future pandemics:

"Pandemics: The increasing demand for animal protein is one of the major risk drivers of pandemic outbreaks, according to the United Nations. Another is the “intensification” of animal agriculture that the growing demand for meat requires: Animals are bred to be genetically similar and crowded together in huge facilities that promote viral transmission and mutation. Since 1940, agricultural intensification measures — dams, irrigation projects and factory farms — have been linked to more than 50 percent of zoonotic infectious diseases that have spread to humans."

This is a topic which has gotten very little play in the US, not surprisingly, given that the US is the world leader in the promotion of industrial agricultural practices.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1179 » by waffle » Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:57 pm

when the 1st vaccine was APPROVED, not just available, it gave companies the legal cover to mandate their use and I have always felt that was the best avenue, make anti-vaccers CHOSE, work or vaccinate, go to your favorite restaurant or vaccinate, go to your son's HS basketball game or vaccinate. We are seeing that and it is good.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #4 

Post#1180 » by Dresden » Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:03 pm

I wonder how this will play out- Italy is mandating ALL of it's workforce be vaccinated:

"A mandate for all workers in Italy to show a government-issued Covid-19 pass came into force on Friday, triggering protests at key ports and fears of disruption.

Anyone who is on a payroll -- in the public or private sector -- must have a 'green pass' with a QR code as proof of either full vaccination, recent recovery from infection or a negative test within the previous 48 hours.
Employees who go to work without the pass risk a fine of up to 1,500 euros ($1,730) and suspension without pay. Employers could also face fines if they allow staff to work without it."

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