Kyrie Irving Megathread: [Latest] NETS Will Not Offer Irving $186M Extension

[Ambrose]

No. If he is traded to the Warriors, he would be in the same situation that Wiggins was in.

He could theoretically play there as a visitor though, correct?

No he can’t with San Frans mandate

As far as I know none of the mandates apply to visiting players.

[Sixerscan]

I could give a **** less if he wants to die from the virus or not. His body his choice. Pretty ridiculous to me that we care so much about what he does.

"My body my choice" really loses a lot of credibility when you 'choice' directly impacts others around you and their health.

I dont give a **** if you dont get the vaccine and get Covid, I care about you not getting the vaccine and walking around living your life spreading the virus to others since it.....you know....gets transmitted by proximity, bacteria and air.

If you dont want the vaccine, fine, stay at home and never come out until we reach herd immunity.

I’m not some expert so show me an example or data on how a non-vaxxer spreads the virus more than a vaccinated person would? Idk like I said I’m kinda dumb but still lol.

And I understand the argument about filling up the healthcare system I suppose.

Just seems weird that a vaccinated person can’t spread things around like anyone else.

I think the part you are missing here is that the vaccinated person is less likely to get covid in the first place, and if they get it anyway they are still less likely to have a bad enough case where they are contagious (or if they are, for a shorter period of time). If a vaccinated person and an unvaccinated person have identical cases of covid with equal symptoms they would likely be equally contagious (I assume, I'm not sure), but see the first sentence.

[bbalnation]

As good as Kyrie and KD are, I would never want either guy on my team. Every stop they've ever been at, the team is just nothing but drama. Happened in OKC, GSW and now here in BKY, then the same with Kyrie in CLE, BOS and here.

Congrats to the Bucks and their fans... Giannis makes these two look like absolute clowns.

DB great point....it’s not just Kyrie in this crap storm. You got to give KD (the team captain) a little heat here too. If you care about winning and you KD...sounds like it’s time to put together a cohesive team and let Kyrie join the Wiccan Vegans team. I’m a member and we would love to have Kyrie in our church league.

You bring up an interesting point. It takes courage for the Nets organization, and KD as the leader, to give Kyrie the silent support and space he needs to figure this out.

I wonder if he wishes there was more outright support for him, especially when there's people out there misdirecting their collective anger towards one man who, as a Black man, has had to fight systematic barriers to live & thrive, as many others do.

You can say he's misguided. You don't control his actions or his feelings, only your own. And directing rage towards this one man, is misguided.

[bebopdeluxe]

Still not understanding why you would support mandates. Why would you want anyone to be given an ultimatum with taking a vax or losing their livelihood. In what world is that the right way to go about something?

This is a great question. And I understand it and struggle with it. My answer would be - the seriousness of the pandemic determines it. There is a debate about how serious COVID is. Still. I think many anti-Vaxers are also anti-maskers and were anti-shutdown. They just don’t see the same peril. So, in that case, their compliance is superfluous because they don’t think by not complying they are actually harming people. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm sympathetic to people not wanting to jump into medical measures, and to there being some ambiguity about the overall good of mandates, but it's not arguable that you're not harming people around you by refusing the vaccine. There's nothing ambiguous about that--COVID is a quick-transmitting disease with a high fatality rate and the vaccine makes transmission less likely and serious or fatal cases far less likely. For every person who's not vaccinated, COVID is stronger and more likely to continue spreading. Most arguments denying that are just slippery slope things (what about the flu? what about alcohol? etc) that still leave unchecked the central fact that COVID is a special kind of harmful crisis.

I can understand an argument that your body and health have to be your own domain, but I honestly think a lot of that is fed by a fantasy people like to maintain about how much of their life is theirs vs how much of it is fully governed by something else. Every single job has literally dozens of mandates that we all comply with every day. I don't have a very strict workplace but I have to show up at a certain time, maintain a certain appearance, document my work in certain ways; I'm under a constant mandate not to be racist, sexist, etc too, and we all know we're not allowed to act in certain ways in professional contexts that could damage our work goals. That's without even getting into the fact that we all follow thousands and city, county, state, and federal laws at all times, under permanent threat of fines, social shame, imprisonment, etc. None of us are our own people and our 'liberty' only concerns a very small, proscribed set of choices within lives that are structured by systems. I think people prefer not to see things that way.

My "freedom" to swing my fist ends at the tip of your nose.

The virus that transmits COVID-19 is airborne and - in the case of Delta, at least, highly contageous.

There are so many logical reasons why vaccinations should be made mandatory, except for legitimate medical and (I guess so...) religious exemptions. The stress on the health care system. The reduced viral load of vaccinated people versus unvaccinated people (which reduces the amount of time that a vaccinated person with active COVID can spread it). The reality that people can spread the virus even when they are asymptomatic.

And, from a standpoint of whether a COVID vaccine mandate can be legally enforced, there are untold jobs and places of work (health care facilities, schools, camps, etc..) where vaccines for other highly contageous diseases like measles and chicken pox are mandated. For chrissakes, George freaking Washington mandated smallpox inoculation for all soldiers in the Continental Army, and that process was WAY nastier than a needle prick. But do you know why he did it?

IT WORKED.

He didn't have a CDC or other medical research infrastructure to give him feedback on side effects. All he knew was 1) smallpox (and other diseases) killed as many - if not more - troops than battles in the field; and 2) his undermanned army didn't have any excess soldiers to spare. So, while Cornwallis' army was ravaged by the pox as it moved northward from South Carolina, Washington was able to hold onto enough of a force to (with timely help from the French navy) defeat Cornwallis at Yorktown.

I should know better than to get involved like a thread like this on the GB. Back to basketball.

[GeorgeSears]

Kendrick Perkins made the most sense of First Take today:

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[ReddoverKobe]

As good as Kyrie and KD are, I would never want either guy on my team. Every stop they've ever been at, the team is just nothing but drama. Happened in OKC, GSW and now here in BKY, then the same with Kyrie in CLE, BOS and here.

Congrats to the Bucks and their fans... Giannis makes these two look like absolute clowns.

DB great point....it’s not just Kyrie in this crap storm. You got to give KD (the team captain) a little heat here too. If you care about winning and you KD...sounds like it’s time to put together a cohesive team and let Kyrie join the Wiccan Vegans team. I’m a member and we would love to have Kyrie in our church league.

You bring up an interesting point. It takes courage for the Nets organization, and KD as the leader, to give Kyrie the silent support and space he needs to figure this out.

I wonder if he wishes there was more outright support for him, especially when there's people out there misdirecting their collective anger towards one man who, as a Black man, has had to fight systematic barriers to live & thrive, as many others do.

You can say he's misguided. You don't control his actions or his feelings, only your own. And directing rage towards this one man, is misguided.

No, its not. This is not a both sides issue. The vaccine works, its been proven all across the world. Kyrie is an attention seeking moron and he should be treated as such, this had nothing to do with race.

[chrisab123]

DB great point....it’s not just Kyrie in this crap storm. You got to give KD (the team captain) a little heat here too. If you care about winning and you KD...sounds like it’s time to put together a cohesive team and let Kyrie join the Wiccan Vegans team. I’m a member and we would love to have Kyrie in our church league.

You bring up an interesting point. It takes courage for the Nets organization, and KD as the leader, to give Kyrie the silent support and space he needs to figure this out.

I wonder if he wishes there was more outright support for him, especially when there's people out there misdirecting their collective anger towards one man who, as a Black man, has had to fight systematic barriers to live & thrive, as many others do.

You can say he's misguided. You don't control his actions or his feelings, only your own. And directing rage towards this one man, is misguided.

No, its not. This is not a both sides issue. The vaccine works, its been proven all across the world. Kyrie is an attention seeking moron and he should be treated as such, this had nothing to do with race.

I've seen him compared to Kaepernick which is laughable. Colin Kaepernick is a hero and patriot that sacrificed a successful NFL career where he could have cashed in the following offseason based on throwing 16 tds and only 4 INTs so that he could be the voice that used his platform to fight police brutality. Kyrie is just an egotistical moron who is torpedoing his teams season because he clearly doesn't believe in Science. I'm a Celtics fan so believe me I'm loving the undoing of Kyrie. I have to deal with people like him every day that don't believe Fauci and scientific evidence. Its awful that these unvaccinated people are the people who will prevent us from going back to normal.

[CobraCommander]

DB great point....it’s not just Kyrie in this crap storm. You got to give KD (the team captain) a little heat here too. If you care about winning and you KD...sounds like it’s time to put together a cohesive team and let Kyrie join the Wiccan Vegans team. I’m a member and we would love to have Kyrie in our church league.

You bring up an interesting point. It takes courage for the Nets organization, and KD as the leader, to give Kyrie the silent support and space he needs to figure this out.

I wonder if he wishes there was more outright support for him, especially when there's people out there misdirecting their collective anger towards one man who, as a Black man, has had to fight systematic barriers to live & thrive, as many others do.

You can say he's misguided. You don't control his actions or his feelings, only your own. And directing rage towards this one man, is misguided.

No, its not. This is not a both sides issue. The vaccine works, its been proven all across the world. Kyrie is an attention seeking moron and he should be treated as such, this had nothing to do with race.

Y’all both may be seeing this different than me.

Kyrie, as a man can do what ever he wants. Kyrie as a rich man does not need to play another NBA second and he has enough money to live lavishly until death. Kyrie should do what he wants and I don’t care either way. Honestly he acts like the NBA and the media and the fans are a burden and we interrupting him from living his best life...by all means Kyrie ROLL out and go be with your people (not a racial or native or anything like that)...his people are people like him that do things their way...hippy type cats- conspiracy type guys...I don’t hate on that...hell I love burning man

But KD wants to win and win now? Harden too? Nets also....?

You can’t have a guy like Kyrie squandering your chance at greatness by holding the team back. KD should support his friend KYrie by telling him to go be happy and support his team by telling Kyrie GO LEAVE...we trying to win a ring and this ain’t Ring Winning Behavior.

[D.Brasco]

Here's a great "my body, my choice" analogy. I don't feel comfortable wearing shirts, my workplace says I have to wear a shirt to come in. I have the option of putting on a shirt or quitting. The ball is in Kyrie's court.

[CobraCommander]

DB great point....it’s not just Kyrie in this crap storm. You got to give KD (the team captain) a little heat here too. If you care about winning and you KD...sounds like it’s time to put together a cohesive team and let Kyrie join the Wiccan Vegans team. I’m a member and we would love to have Kyrie in our church league.

You bring up an interesting point. It takes courage for the Nets organization, and KD as the leader, to give Kyrie the silent support and space he needs to figure this out.

I wonder if he wishes there was more outright support for him, especially when there's people out there misdirecting their collective anger towards one man who, as a Black man, has had to fight systematic barriers to live & thrive, as many others do.

You can say he's misguided. You don't control his actions or his feelings, only your own. And directing rage towards this one man, is misguided.

No, its not. This is not a both sides issue. The vaccine works, its been proven all across the world. Kyrie is an attention seeking moron and he should be treated as such, this had nothing to do with race.

Not racial at all....kyries stance is held by people from every tribe and people from every tribe are against his stance as well. Not many people rich or popular enough for it to matter tho!

[Pointgod]

Nobody said they were forcing people into them:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/20/world/australia/howard-springs-quarantine.html

But you did say the Australian government was building quarantine camps to "combat the virus", which is completely different than constructing a quarantine hub for travelers to be held before being cleared to enter the country. Regardless, let's get back to Kyrie and how his holdout impacts the NBA. My PM is open if either of you want to discuss the Australia claim further.

I agree with discussing Kyrie. But I noticed a bit of misinformation in this post -

"Officials maintain that these camps, which are mostly for travelers but can also be used to isolate the contagious, are necessary because hotel quarantine has repeatedly let Covid leak into the community."

Straight from the article. According to the officials, it is definitely not just going to be used for travelers entering the country.

No reply needed. Onto Kyrie!

This is completely speculation on your part. What’s true is that there are quarantine facilities for travellers. They MIGHT use it for contagious people. We don’t know how they might use it and for whom. But the poster is obviously invoking a more sinister purpose by bringing it up. You know what’s a great way to not end up in quarantine? Get vaccinated!

[CobraCommander]

Here's a great "my body, my choice" analogy. I don't feel comfortable wearing shirts, my workplace says I have to wear a shirt to come in. I have the option of putting on a shirt or quitting. The ball is in Kyrie's court.

Now Kyrie gonna be at Ruckers 45 years old and nude balling ....and when I walk by and see that...I’ll remember this and blame you

[Uncle Mxy]

My heart bleeds purple peanut butter for poor Kyrie!

[bbalnation]

You bring up an interesting point. It takes courage for the Nets organization, and KD as the leader, to give Kyrie the silent support and space he needs to figure this out.

I wonder if he wishes there was more outright support for him, especially when there's people out there misdirecting their collective anger towards one man who, as a Black man, has had to fight systematic barriers to live & thrive, as many others do.

You can say he's misguided. You don't control his actions or his feelings, only your own. And directing rage towards this one man, is misguided.

No, its not. This is not a both sides issue. The vaccine works, its been proven all across the world. Kyrie is an attention seeking moron and he should be treated as such, this had nothing to do with race.

Not racial at all....kyries stance is held by people from every tribe and people from every tribe are against his stance as well. Not many people rich or popular enough for it to matter tho!

Yes, im glad you're able to see that system we live in thats based on xenophobia and patriarchy impacts people from all backgrounds. We're all part of this system. We all contribute to it, positively and negatively.

I think there are better ways of protesting. He certainly doesn't deserve the hatred he's getting.

We are asking vulnerable groups of people that have been systematically targeted through the medical & prison systems to vaccinate "for their own good", when its for our herd immunity (selfish gain). If you can't relate to this, your experiences with doctors, hospital officials, airports, security, government, etc could have been neutral or even positive. That isnt the case for many people of color, and its even more alarming for those members when it impacts livelihood. This is the second or third generation in America where you can earn bread as a black man, so the notion that anybody could take that away is scary.

There is a distrust in the medical system. There is a distrust in government. I know its easier to hate on one human being, but its a little more productive, and just, to consider it from different societal perspectives.

[CobraCommander]

Kendrick Perkins made the most sense of First Take today:

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Your first mistake is that YOU are watching SAS...



SAS looks like he missing civil debate with Max and those guest getting at him and we changed channels...I’m betting 10 cases of Dew them ratings gonnna tank

[Asianiac_24]

End of the day, the vaccine takes 10 min for 2 days each day to complete. If Kyrie wants, I'm sure the Nets could arrange to have a doctor/nurse go to HIS house to give him a shot too.

Its non sensical, and the only reason Kyrie is doing this is because he thinks he's the reincarnation of MLK. He's just a basketball player, shut up and listen to the medical experts

[CobraCommander]

No, its not. This is not a both sides issue. The vaccine works, its been proven all across the world. Kyrie is an attention seeking moron and he should be treated as such, this had nothing to do with race.

Not racial at all....kyries stance is held by people from every tribe and people from every tribe are against his stance as well. Not many people rich or popular enough for it to matter tho!

Yes, im glad you're able to see that system we live in thats based on xenophobia and patriarchy impacts people from all backgrounds. We're all part of this system. We all contribute to it, positively and negatively.

I think there are better ways of protesting. He certainly doesn't deserve the hatred he's getting.

We are asking vulnerable groups of people that have been systematically targeted through the medical & prison systems to vaccinate "for their own good", when its for our herd immunity (selfish gain). If you can't relate to this, your experiences with doctors, hospital officials, airports, security, government, etc could have been neutral or even positive. That isnt the case for many people of color, and its even more alarming for those members when it impacts livelihood. This is the second or third generation in America where you can earn bread as a black man, so the notion that anybody could take that away is scary.

There is a distrust in the medical system. There is a distrust in government. I know its easier to hate on one human being, but its a little more productive, and just, to consider it from different societal perspectives.

Naw....I’m not going to conflate this beyond one rich basketball players choice to not play ball....this ain’t about systemic racism. Kyrie ain’t holding it down for joe citizen...BASKETBALL- we talking about if he will play ball with the nets....not if he will get vaccinated. Kyrie don’t HAVE to ball to feed his family. Kyrie not an Amazon warehouse worker...kyrie can fly with BLUE Orgin for 25Ms and not lose sleep.

Kyrie has said he don’t need to play and has contracts to prove it...just sit out. No one gonna come to his house with police and force him to get shot OR play.

Making kyries stance bigger than a rich guy not wanting to play basketball based on principle is a mistake IMO...this more Ben Simmons than Kap

[Pointgod]

You bring up an interesting point. It takes courage for the Nets organization, and KD as the leader, to give Kyrie the silent support and space he needs to figure this out.

I wonder if he wishes there was more outright support for him, especially when there's people out there misdirecting their collective anger towards one man who, as a Black man, has had to fight systematic barriers to live & thrive, as many others do.

You can say he's misguided. You don't control his actions or his feelings, only your own. And directing rage towards this one man, is misguided.

No, its not. This is not a both sides issue. The vaccine works, its been proven all across the world. Kyrie is an attention seeking moron and he should be treated as such, this had nothing to do with race.

I've seen him compared to Kaepernick which is laughable. Colin Kaepernick is a hero and patriot that sacrificed a successful NFL career where he could have cashed in the following offseason based on throwing 16 tds and only 4 INTs so that he could be the voice that used his platform to fight police brutality. Kyrie is just an egotistical moron who is torpedoing his teams season because he clearly doesn't believe in Science. I'm a Celtics fan so believe me I'm loving the undoing of Kyrie. I have to deal with people like him every day that don't believe Fauci and scientific evidence. Its awful that these unvaccinated people are the people who will prevent us from going back to normal.

Well said. The comparison to Kap and Mohammed Ali is freaking laughable. Both these guys were proven right, Kap was actually right at the time but people didn’t want to listen. I can tell you right now, if Kyrie continues on this path he will be looked at as a joke and cautionary tale.

[Shock Defeat]

Kyrie for John Wall. Texas has no vaccine mandates (even the governor banned it).

[Hangtime84]

Kendrick Perkins made the most sense of First Take today:

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That's where i stand with the situation