PG: Pistons vs Knicks

[robillionaire]

none of this matters because Sham is a Lakers fan now anyway

sad

he's still a nets fan, the lakers banner is just to curse them like he did with the clippers last year, don't fall for it

[robillionaire]

i understand. we all want to draft a home grown talent that becomes one of the best players in the league. what could be better. but wishing it won't make it happen. if it could, wingo would get those charges dropped for masturbating on the a train.

now apply this to mitch

[jvsimonetti0514]

Didn’t Melo start the R no J nickname last year? Then his curse kicked in and RJ went off behind the arc. So I’m expecting the same thing to happen with the off the dribble jumpers.

no that wasn’t me. i think it was DaGawd. terrible person lying on me!!!

Yeah I definitely started calling him R the beginning of last season

So it was DaGawd curse, not a Melo curse. Good to know

[god shammgod]

i understand. we all want to draft a home grown talent that becomes one of the best players in the league. what could be better. but wishing it won't make it happen. if it could, wingo would get those charges dropped for masturbating on the a train.

now apply this to mitch

Off topic

[Clyde_Style]

correct, Taj has solidified his spot in the rotation and as Nerlens is on a 3 year deal and a large part of our success and future he will also be playing, Mitch will get showcased for a trade by the deadline and we have Sims as 3rd string emergency backup

I actually believe Mitch would get traded before RJ does so I sort of expect it to happen as well

There are three criteria that can change that destiny though.

If Mitch reaches another level this season
and
Stays healthy
and
Is one of the keys to taking us deep into the playoffs

then he'd remain a Knick

otherwise, if he doesn't tick all three boxes, I sort expect him to be traded or used in a sign and trade

If Mitch hits all three marks he'd make us a contender THIS season. He has the potential to be a top 5 defensive player in the league while cleaning the glass and scoring with those high FG% lobs and putbacks

So I will wait and see how he does, because you don't let go of Mitch if he goes to that level. He is literally one of the best defensive post talents this league has seen in decades

he's an unrestricted free agent this summer so if they're going to trade him it's at the deadline or never

Right. So they might not be able to gauge is playoff output, but they should have a good idea of what level he is at and his current health by then

[robillionaire]

i understand. we all want to draft a home grown talent that becomes one of the best players in the league. what could be better. but wishing it won't make it happen. if it could, wingo would get those charges dropped for masturbating on the a train.

now apply this to mitch

Off topic

sorry

wingo needs to be held accountable

[Clyde_Style]

none of this matters because Sham is a Lakers fan now anyway

sad

he's still a nets fan, the lakers banner is just to curse them like he did with the clippers last year, don't fall for it

I was trying to deflect from the ugly truth about Sham's defection to New Jersey

[F N 11]

Read on Twitter

Obi got hall of fame look over badges.

[mpharris36]

i'm going to need people to start posting citations for these stats from now on

pretty easy to find.

It was 58 mid range shots.

I think the 160 number is coming from combining Mid Range and Non-Restricted area paint shots.

At the rim and Non restricted area paint shots are separated

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1629628/shooting/?DateFrom=01%2F01%2F2021&DateTo=02%2F28%2F2021&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/rj-barrett-shot-chart-this-season

I posted that same statmuse link a couple pages ago showing him being below league average around the rim when you hover over that region

the link to the nba page is only showing dates from 1/1/21 to 2/28/21, was there some reason you selected those dates, here's the whole season https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1629628/shooting/?Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

I must have had a pre-exhisting filter there from something else I must have been looking at. No idea why.

So yes now it says 128 mid range shots.

For comparison Mikal Bridges 85% of his FGM were assisted

Basically half of RJ Barrett's FGM were assisted.

So clear difference in a true 3/D C&S player and RJ Barrett.

[cgf]

Thibs setting the tone early so the team can hit the ground running. I have no problem with him coaching as if these games matter. It’s actually quite refreshing cuz I remember the days of going into the 1st month of the season with no set rotation and coaches like Fiz and Hornacek still playing 11-man rotations.

The eat what you kill, we got dogs, yada yada days How quickly we forgot

Forum asked for a culture change, got it, proceeded to complain.

Complaining is the one true joy of our people

[evevale]

jokes aside, some contender might give up a late 1st for him. a smart team might do that since we have 2 other centers and a 3rd one in the g-league. we won't though of course.

Jokes? The only joke I see here is a late 1st for a potentially elite 3-level scorer who has yet to reach his prime (only 36). Would the Thunder trade Giddey for a late 1st? Or maybe I'll see a headline within the hour about the Hornets giving Ball away for a protected 1st rounder in 2024. Keep hating on our team shamms

Well damn you are stepping your game up today

I know ... still a week away from the regular season and I'm already back to shameless sh*tposting. I tried to be optimistic and whatever - it just isn't me. Please no judge



I blame and hate everyone.

[Deeeez Knicks]

That RJ needs to be a legit #1 or #2 option in order to be good is the part I would disagree with. In all likelyhood he may never be that good, although you never know. If he's a good #3 guy that can be very valuable and could make a big difference.

[jvsimonetti0514]

i understand. we all want to draft a home grown talent that becomes one of the best players in the league. what could be better. but wishing it won't make it happen. if it could, wingo would get those charges dropped for masturbating on the a train.

I’m glad to see you’ve moved onto stage 2 of the 5 stages of grief about not tanking. Anger is much better than denial, especially if you’re only lashing out at Wingo. You’ve made a lot growth from a few posts ago when you wanted to trade our best center for a late first. So it should be easier to make it to bargaining by next Wednesday for the start of the season.

[cgf]

So, first two games, IQ at PG looked much better than last year or SL.
This 3rd game, IQ at PG looked every bit as bad as the worst version IQ PG from last year.

Someone might be able to articulate it better, but teams that pick him up a little higher, pressure him, get him wasting that 5 seconds east/west or doing nothing that better PG's don't do. Which leads to some hurried stuff in the halfcourt.

He wasn't awful. He made some solid reads at different points.

I think IQ can play PG in those games Rose/Kemba miss and it'll work against teams not that committed to defense. If he faces teams that actually give a sh*t about defense that night or all the time like Miami, those nights might get a little long for IQ's 20 PG minutes.
But, in effect IQ is the teams 3rd string PG, and traditionally that's been a pretty end of the bench guy along with the 3rd C. So it's not the end of the world. It's just one of the risks inherent in having Kemba/Rose as the PG duo.

Will be interesting to see if it's something teams do against him, or just the inconsistency of a young player learning a new role (new at this level) and sometimes reverting to old habits. Hopefully it's the latter *finger's-crossed*

[DOT]

Julius seems poised to make another leap with those perimeter skills. He looks more fluid and quicker than he was last year. He also seems ready to let the game come to him more, with better talent around him.

What I want to see from him is efficient scoring.

The starting line-up basically kept the team afloat last year but didn't create much separation against their opponents - the bench did. I think it's (to some extent) a reflection of their leading scorer, who ended the regular season right around (just below) league average in scoring efficiency.

Granted, Jules played with Elfraud for most of the season, but he doesn't have that excuse anymore. I want him to be around 59-61% in true shooting percentage. Anything below that will put a ceiling on our team as a cute team.

RJ also needs to be more efficient, to be fair.

i'm not a stat guy so i might be off here - isn't being at league average efficiency with a high usage rate like randle impressive?

Not impressive, impressive is being well above average efficiency with a high usage rate

It's not bad, clearly, but I wouldn't say impressive. It's like moneyball tactics, if I could play 3 guys who combine for average efficiency to take the same amount of shots as Randle, it's not that big of a step down from a statistics perspective. Clearly it's not the same as with baseball where you can moneyball it because basketball is a very different game, but the principle is still the same

You want your #1 guy to be more efficient than average.

[stuporman]

It's quite clear that some have taken to the bigoted edge lord method of posting on here where they say their actual opinions no matter how negative and deluded they are then as soon as they get anyone question them it's a quick pivot to 'lol just jokes why you mad' tactic.

Not fooling me with that......I see it.

[3toheadmelo]

Jokes? The only joke I see here is a late 1st for a potentially elite 3-level scorer who has yet to reach his prime (only 36). Would the Thunder trade Giddey for a late 1st? Or maybe I'll see a headline within the hour about the Hornets giving Ball away for a protected 1st rounder in 2024. Keep hating on our team shamms

Well damn you are stepping your game up today

I know ... still a week away from the regular season and I'm already back to shameless sh*tposting. I tried to be optimistic and whatever - it just isn't me. Please no judge



I blame and hate everyone.

the Taj post was hilarious

[KnicksGadfly]

Ideally RJ will get better, but one thing is for sure. If we ever get a number 1, RJ will be able to play with him. That’s really refreshing to see and wasn’t guaranteed a year ago.

[robillionaire]

Ideally RJ will get better, but one thing is for sure. If we ever get a number 1, RJ will be able to play with him. That’s really refreshing to see and wasn’t guaranteed a year ago.

randle should demand a trade, this fanbase doesn't deserve him

[cgf]

That RJ needs to be a legit #1 or #2 option in order to be good is the part I would disagree with. In all likelyhood he may never be that good, although you never know. If he's a good #3 guy that can be very valuable and could make a big difference.

It's still too early to say that RJ probably won't ever be a legit #2 IMO. This year, I just want to see him repeat & build on last year, it's next year when I'm awaiting the next big step and we can start wondering about if it's in his future, if it doesn't come.

But this year; just solidifying himself at the level he reached last season with some marginal improvement, will be enough for me. Especially with his increased defensive responsibilities.