PG: Pistons vs Knicks

[god shammgod]

Jokes? The only joke I see here is a late 1st for a potentially elite 3-level scorer who has yet to reach his prime (only 36). Would the Thunder trade Giddey for a late 1st? Or maybe I'll see a headline within the hour about the Hornets giving Ball away for a protected 1st rounder in 2024. Keep hating on our team shamms

Well damn you are stepping your game up today

I know ... still a week away from the regular season and I'm already back to shameless sh*tposting. I tried to be optimistic and whatever - it just isn't me. Please no judge



I blame and hate everyone.

let this guy run this place

[god shammgod]

i understand. we all want to draft a home grown talent that becomes one of the best players in the league. what could be better. but wishing it won't make it happen. if it could, wingo would get those charges dropped for masturbating on the a train.

I’m glad to see you’ve moved onto stage 2 of the 5 stages of grief about not tanking. Anger is much better than denial, especially if you’re only lashing out at Wingo. You’ve made a lot growth from a few posts ago when you wanted to trade our best center for a late first. So it should be easier to make it to bargaining by next Wednesday for the start of the season.

i would lash out at wingo no matter what state of the knicks. if a meteor was pummeling towards earth to destroy us all, i would be posting on here saying "wow, wingo was alive for both the beginning and end of life on this planet" while watching the earth burn.

[Guano]

I think what Taj brings us in leadership is more valuable than some late first when we aren’t really relying on young draft picks to save us any more

he's 36, how much longer can he play ? and we aint getting out of the 1st round this year with or without him. take the pick.

I mean no one’s gonna give us a pick for him any way so it’s a moot point but I rather he retire here then join our coaching staff or organization in some way. Trading him continue the Knicks curse of mistreating lovable figures in our team history

sham doens't even want to trade taj - he is just trying to deflect heat of magamitch

[god shammgod]

he's 36, how much longer can he play ? and we aint getting out of the 1st round this year with or without him. take the pick.

I mean no one’s gonna give us a pick for him any way so it’s a moot point but I rather he retire here then join our coaching staff or organization in some way. Trading him continue the Knicks curse of mistreating lovable figures in our team history

sham doens't even want to trade taj - he is just trying to deflect heat of magamitch

i hope they build a wall around your house

[Clyde_Style]

I mean no one’s gonna give us a pick for him any way so it’s a moot point but I rather he retire here then join our coaching staff or organization in some way. Trading him continue the Knicks curse of mistreating lovable figures in our team history

sham doens't even want to trade taj - he is just trying to deflect heat of magamitch

i hope they build a wall around your house

5 MAGAMitch Points Awarded

[Clyde_Style]

It's quite clear that some have taken to the bigoted edge lord method of posting on here where they say their actual opinions no matter how negative and deluded they are then as soon as they get anyone question them it's a quick pivot to 'lol just jokes why you mad' tactic.

Not fooling me with that......I see it.

I think they are all Joe Rogaine using multiple handles

[Guano]

Julius seems poised to make another leap with those perimeter skills. He looks more fluid and quicker than he was last year. He also seems ready to let the game come to him more, with better talent around him.

What I want to see from him is efficient scoring.

The starting line-up basically kept the team afloat last year but didn't create much separation against their opponents - the bench did. I think it's (to some extent) a reflection of their leading scorer, who ended the regular season right around (just below) league average in scoring efficiency.

Granted, Jules played with Elfraud for most of the season, but he doesn't have that excuse anymore. I want him to be around 59-61% in true shooting percentage. Anything below that will put a ceiling on our team as a cute team.

RJ also needs to be more efficient, to be fair.

i'm not a stat guy so i might be off here - isn't being at league average efficiency with a high usage rate like randle impressive?

Not impressive, impressive is being well above average efficiency with a high usage rate

It's not bad, clearly, but I wouldn't say impressive. It's like moneyball tactics, if I could play 3 guys who combine for average efficiency to take the same amount of shots as Randle, it's not that big of a step down from a statistics perspective. Clearly it's not the same as with baseball where you can moneyball it because basketball is a very different game, but the principle is still the same

You want your #1 guy to be more efficient than average.

comparing baseball and basketball with these things seems like we are comparing apples to oranges.


wasn't Harden always league average in efficiency? I seem to recall reading/hearing that is one of the reasons he was highly regarded. cause he was able to keep his efficiency good while asked to carry such an absurd heavy load.

also isn't it considered good when a player can be asked to do more and keep up solid production. most players when asked to carry more of the load see their production dips.

also like i said i'm not a stat guy and i know this is your area - so i appreciate the education.

[robillionaire]

i'm not a stat guy so i might be off here - isn't being at league average efficiency with a high usage rate like randle impressive?

Not impressive, impressive is being well above average efficiency with a high usage rate

It's not bad, clearly, but I wouldn't say impressive. It's like moneyball tactics, if I could play 3 guys who combine for average efficiency to take the same amount of shots as Randle, it's not that big of a step down from a statistics perspective. Clearly it's not the same as with baseball where you can moneyball it because basketball is a very different game, but the principle is still the same

You want your #1 guy to be more efficient than average.

comparing baseball and basketball with these things seems like we are comparing apples to oranges.


wasn't Harden always league average in efficiency? I seem to recall reading/hearing that is one of the reasons he was highly regarded. cause he was able to keep his efficiency good while asked to carry such an absurd heavy load.

also isn't it considered good when a player can be asked to do more and keep up solid production. most players when asked to carry more of the load see their production dips.

also like i said i'm not a stat guy and i know this is your area - so i appreciate the education.

yeah I don't really get that, If I have 1 guy who averages 50ppg on average efficiency and you have 5 guys who average 10ppg on average efficiency clearly I'm in the better position because I have already matched your production with my 1 player and can still put 4 more players out there to do other stuff

[DOT]

also isn't it considered good when a player can be asked to do more and keep up solid production. most players when asked to carry more of the load see their production dips.

Yes, efficiency is usually inverse to quantity, meaning the more shots you take, the less efficient you get, and the less shots you take, the more efficient you get, usually

Which is why in Randle's 2 most efficient seasons (his last with the Lakers and his one with the Pelicans), he cleared the bar for "elite" efficiency, but since becoming a #1, he's dropped back down to average, because he's taking more shots

It is good that he can maintain decent efficiency, but that's the difference between what he was for us last year and being a "true" #1 option, is that true #1s have elite efficiency and high usage. As it stands, he'd probably make an amazing 2nd option, because if you reduced his role, theoretically his efficiency should go back up to where it was in Nola.

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[Guano]

also isn't it considered good when a player can be asked to do more and keep up solid production. most players when asked to carry more of the load see their production dips.

Yes, efficiency is usually inverse to quantity, meaning the more shots you take, the less efficient you get, and the less shots you take, the more efficient you get, usually

Which is why in Randle's 2 most efficient seasons (his last with the Lakers and his one with the Pelicans), he cleared the bar for "elite" efficiency, but since becoming a #1, he's dropped back down to average, because he's taking more shots

It is good that he can maintain decent efficiency, but that's the difference between what he was for us last year and being a "true" #1 option, is that true #1s have elite efficiency and high usage. As it stands, he'd probably make an amazing 2nd option, because if you reduced his role, theoretically his efficiency should go back up to where it was in Nola.

or hopefully with the help of some better side kicks - kemba, evan, and rj improving it will make it easier for him to raise his efficiency

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[KnicksGadfly]

Ideally RJ will get better, but one thing is for sure. If we ever get a number 1, RJ will be able to play with him. That’s really refreshing to see and wasn’t guaranteed a year ago.

randle should demand a trade, this fanbase doesn't deserve him

Hmm I wasn’t really throwing shade at Randle. Do you think he’s on par with the other top players in this league? Like championship level 1st option?

[K_ick_God]

Good discussion last several pages. I'm hoping RJ is the kind of keeper who is just about as rare to find as the prime scorer that Randle becomes by smoothing out the rough edges a little. So it's still a hope and wait kind of thing with both. Both of them still need that. Randle has looked elite at times. Like others he still has some breaking through to do though. The playoffs for Randle were really bad.

I admit that I do have some concerns about RJ's elusiveness and shot. Could go either way for either of them.

RJ is pretty heady, but still makes dumb plays. He lacks escape moves. But like that baseline drive he had late in an otherwise poor offensive game for him -- he could make that move because his combo of size and some guard skills allows him to score without wiggle or a layup package. Will say again you can't overlook the mental side where I'm very confident he's strong.

[DaGawd]

2 weeks later.. Mitch strained groin. Out 2-4 weeks

[K_ick_God]

(Curious whether anybody here would even entertain a Randle for Simmons deal.)

[mpharris36]

just letting you all know how insufferable Sham will be if Mitch comes back and dominates

[mpharris36]

(Curious whether anybody here would even entertain a Randle for Simmons deal.)

no