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2021 Preseason Game 4: Hornets Vs Mavs

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Re: 2021 Preseason Game 4: Hornets Vs Mavs 

Post#41 » by BigSlam » Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:43 am

I guess we need to add some context to this game though (as I see b.s. headlines like “worst loss in the history of the NBA"):

It's a PRE-season game.

We did play without Rozier, Hayward and Obure.

We also essentially played without Melo, Miles and PJ.

Plumlee was playing his first game.

This meant to had to play guys who are G League at best, out of the league most likely long, consistent and meaningful mins - all while Dallas played with their starters.

Based on those variables Dallas really should have won by 168 points.
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Re: 2021 Preseason Game 4: Hornets Vs Mavs 

Post#42 » by fatlever » Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:46 am

We might have the worst collection of rookies I've ever seen. It was apparent in summer league as well. Throw in Carey riller and Richard's and we've really made a mess of our last 7 draft picks

Guys like bouk are available in the 2nd rd every year.

Plus I'm about done with mcd and Washington.

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Re: 2021 Preseason Game 4: Hornets Vs Mavs 

Post#43 » by GoBobs » Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:06 am

Its going to be a long season. Fire JB, hire Dantoni.
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Re: 2021 Preseason Game 4: Hornets Vs Mavs 

Post#44 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:56 am

Lol. The outrage over a preseason game is hilarious.
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Re: 2021 Preseason Game 4: Hornets Vs Mavs 

Post#45 » by yosemiteben » Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:27 am

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I'll go silver lining... Might not be the worst thing for us to get punched in the mouth and embarrassed on national TV in our last preseason game, given how difficult the first part of our schedule is. It's a lot better than having a bunch of OKC games where we feel like we're all that and then getting smacked down on opening night.
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Re: 2021 Preseason Game 4: Hornets Vs Mavs 

Post#46 » by amcoolio » Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:50 pm

fatlever wrote:We might have the worst collection of rookies I've ever seen. It was apparent in summer league as well. Throw in Carey riller and Richard's and we've really made a mess of our last 7 draft picks

Guys like bouk are available in the 2nd rd every year.

Plus I'm about done with mcd and Washington.

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Re: 2021 Preseason Game 4: Hornets Vs Mavs 

Post#47 » by BigSlam » Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:54 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Lol. The outrage over a preseason game is hilarious.

Dude.............they were B.A.D!!

I think we were dead last in giving up corner 3's last season and watching last nights game we didn't learn anything from that at all because we gave up open corner/baseline shot after open corner/baseline shot.

The unforced turnovers were out of control.

The positioning looked like it had no structure and guys were just winging it.

The outrage it 100% justified.
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Re: 2021 Preseason Game 4: Hornets Vs Mavs 

Post#48 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:12 pm

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Liver_Pooty wrote:Lol. The outrage over a preseason game is hilarious.

Dude.............they were B.A.D!!

I think we were dead last in giving up corner 3's last season and watching last nights game we didn't learn anything from that at all because we gave up open corner/baseline shot after open corner/baseline shot.

The unforced turnovers were out of control.

The positioning looked like it had no structure and guys were just winging it.

The outrage it 100% justified.


They were absolutely pathetic, but I think we'll be perfectly fine. We were missing upwards of 60 points a game last night. And Kai, Thor, Lewis, Carey, Richards and I'm sure whomever else just isn't ready to contribute (Carey is really disappointing). I've just never put much emphasis into preseason.
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Re: 2021 Preseason Game 4: Hornets Vs Mavs 

Post#49 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:16 pm

Basically all I'm saying is if you take every other teams top 7 players and and they don't play at all (Hayward, Rozier, Oubre) or play basically a quarter in Bridges, Lamelo, Washington against a solid team using it as a dress out game preparing for the regular season you're going to get killed. Killed by 68 is comical however, but we'll see what we're like with everyone healthy here soon.
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Re: 2021 Preseason Game 4: Hornets Vs Mavs 

Post#50 » by BigSlam » Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:42 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:They were absolutely pathetic, but I think we'll be perfectly fine. We were missing upwards of 60 points a game last night. And Kai, Thor, Lewis, Carey, Richards and I'm sure whomever else just isn't ready to contribute (Carey is really disappointing). I've just never put much emphasis into preseason.

I actually thought Twin #1 and Lewis were the only two "good" things last night.

(I say "good" because that "good" is compared to everyone else - who were all sh*thouse which elevates their "somewhat watchable" to being "good").
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Re: 2021 Preseason Game 4: Hornets Vs Mavs 

Post#51 » by Chapelchilla » Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:59 pm

That was ugly but I am not going to join the chicken little convention going on in here. It was a preseason game that we played without most of our best players. We should be around .500 this year and fun to watch. We are still a couple of players away from really good but we are getting there. That was basically an NBA playoff team vs a G league team line up. Bad timing for injuries and a lack of playing together lately.
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Re: 2021 Preseason Game 4: Hornets Vs Mavs 

Post#52 » by Hornet Mania » Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:00 pm

I'm not too worried about it. Once PJ and Miles got hurt JB said 'eff it, this doesn't even count anyway' and played the Greensboro Swarm + Ish Smith the rest of the game. It wasn't a serious effort.
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Re: 2021 Preseason Game 4: Hornets Vs Mavs 

Post#53 » by fatlever » Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:49 pm

the loss, pt total etc... doesnt bother me.
my concern is just how bad our bench looks this year. its a pattern going back to summer league. just so young and not ready.
3 of our rookies look barely able to contribute to the swarm. (i will never understand the kai pick. he's just sooo far away. years away from being reliable rotation guy)
our 2 centers from last yrs draft also look like they shouldnt be on a roster. 3 wasted picks 2nd rd picks in 2020.
ish is a massive downgrade from graham (who will be missed lot more than many will admit, not that we should have paid him). he's 3rd string pg material. change of pace guy.
iwundo, like wtf???
mcd just doesnt have a clear role. he reminds me so much of derrick brown.
really worried about lack of shooting, playmaking from bench. its completely nonexistent.
cant depend on pj for night to night production.

bouk looks decent enough, but just not really a dude who moves needle. dime/dozen type player. downgrade from monk (and you guys know how i felt about monk). if he cant shoot 3s off catch, thats a big concern.

lastly, melo shooting is concerning. hopefully that picks back up. fear is that he might have rough fg% this yr. he will greatly benefit from having hayward back. needs 2nd playmaker to take pressure off.
terry has never been one to contribute to plus/minus, even when he's hot. love him, but its mostly empty stats.
this season comes down to hayward staying healthy. none of it really works w/out him.

this is a 30-35 win team as constructed.
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Re: 2021 Preseason Game 4: Hornets Vs Mavs 

Post#54 » by yosemiteben » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:39 pm

POR got smoked by PHX last night too, lost by 45. They had all their starters too.

Meh, chalking it up to preseason.
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Re: 2021 Preseason Game 4: Hornets Vs Mavs 

Post#55 » by JDR720 » Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:22 pm

One point away from a nice game.
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Re: 2021 Preseason Game 4: Hornets Vs Mavs 

Post#56 » by vexco » Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:56 am

fatlever wrote:bouk looks decent enough, but just not really a dude who moves needle. dime/dozen type player. downgrade from monk (and you guys know how i felt about monk). if he cant shoot 3s off catch, thats a big concern.


Downgrade from Monk is laughable, all things considered and I liked Monk.
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Re: 2021 Preseason Game 4: Hornets Vs Mavs 

Post#57 » by fatlever » Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:22 am

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