NBA protocols/Covid/Vaccine - Discussion thread

[davidv2001]

The vaccine was not developed to prevent you from getting COVID. It was developed to prevent severe symptoms, hospitalizations and death from COVID.

In fact, no vaccine prevents you from catching the virus they were created for. What they do is enable your body’s immune system to identify the pathogen and develop a response so if you are infected with the virus later, you have very mild symptoms. Also, being vaccinated means your viral load of COVID or other viruses is lower than unvaccinated people, which is why viruses die out once enough people are vaccinated against them. It’s why polio, measles/mumps, and smallpox no longer are threats in America and haven’t been for decades.

[xdrta+]

The evidence for vaccination keeps growing.

"French study of over 22 million people finds vaccines cut severe Covid risk by 90%"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/11/french-study-vaccines-cut-covid-deaths

Vaccination reduces the risk of dying or being hospitalised with Covid-19 by 90%, a French study of 22.6 million people over the age of 50 has found.

The research published on Monday also found that vaccines appear to protect against the worst effects of the most prevalent virus strain, the Delta variant....

The study – the largest of its kind so far – was carried out by Epi-Phare a scientific group set up by France’s health system, its national health insurance fund, l’Assurance Maladie (CNAM), and the country’s ANSM medicines agency.

Researchers compared 11.3 million vaccinated over-50s with the same number of unvaccinated from the same age group between 27 December 2020, when vaccinations began in France, and 20 July this year.

They found “a reduction in the risk of hospitalisation superior to 90%” from the 14th day after the second dose and a similar reduction in the number of deaths from Covid-19. Similar findings have previously been published in Israel, the UK and the US.

The vaccines’ effectiveness in combatting the most serious symptoms of Covid did not diminish during the five-month period of the study, they said. The results were the same no matter whether the patient was given the Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna or Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine....

[zimpy27]

Answer this why does a non vaxxed person pose a greater risk to a vaxxed person than another vaxxed person? If the vaxx works then it's protecting you. If that's the case other people's vaccination shouldn't matter.

You mentioned taking less liberty for life. 1st that goes against everything the US was founded on. Next it assumes that the same forces taking said liberties won't continue to take additional liberties until it becomes a level you aren't comfortable with. Never forget slavery was once "legal" in this country. Would you be willing to accept being someone slave if it meant your life was without any risk?

To quote George Costanza - "we are living in a society!"

Vaccine isn't 100% effective. Especially to the elderly, immunocompromised or those that are too young. It's a seatbelt but you can still be hit and killed or damaged long-term.

It's an unfully tested seatbelt that has the potential to do more harm than good. So at the very least it should be a person choice to make without fear of discrimination.

We live in a society. But as a society we've done things that many of us would all agree with the power of hindsight was completely unacceptable. If all we do is let the authorities tell us what to do unchecked we are responsible for the outcomes. That's why the people who founded this country made it an priority to not put fear over individuals freedoms.

The vaccines don't have the potential to do more harm than good, if you want to get technical then there is a tiny probability but that probablilty is far smaller than potential harm than good of getting the vaccine. In fact, the procrastination of wanting to get vaccine but being delayed is more likely to do more harm than good than getting vaccine immediately.

I lived in the US, I've lived in Europe and now I live in Australia, the feeling of freedom in other countries is far greater than anything I felt in the US. The only part of the US that felt like it had more freedom was the business sector. Freedom is a dynamic concept, it's not an absolute because your freedoms impact other peoples freedom. Your freedom to scream randomly on the street impacts my freedom to enjoy a quiet walk. Freedom is constantly being eroded by pressures, I understand the mandates are a pressure, but the virus is also a pressure, the prospect of dying or losing family is a pressure, needing to work for food is a pressure, being marketed to constantly is a pressure. I would argue that the level of pressure you feel is at direct odds to the level of freedom you have. And honestly, some people describe the US as a melting pot but I think it's more actually described as a pressure cooker. I don't know if I'd define it as the land of the free but I think it could be the land of the brave. I have a lot of respect for Americans after living there.

I'm sure a fit young person with plenty of money has the feeling of little pressure in life. The mandates on vaccinations would appear like a significant pressure to those people. I get why people may be opposed to them but you have to understand that for others it's quite the opposite, for most it's the opposite even if they don't realise it. Government is there to help the population, not the individuals and their outlier situations. This virus is using the fact that we live in society against us and we have to use measures that involve society against it. Individual freedoms are just not the priority right now, this is a momentary thing. If they are mandating vaccines 10 years from now then I will be fighting that but to me the emergency now is to keep pressure off the hospitals while we ride these waves.

[ReddoverKobe]

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Who is somehow a member of congress.

[FNQ]

Answer this why does a non vaxxed person pose a greater risk to a vaxxed person than another vaxxed person? If the vaxx works then it's protecting you. If that's the case other people's vaccination shouldn't matter.

You mentioned taking less liberty for life. 1st that goes against everything the US was founded on. Next it assumes that the same forces taking said liberties won't continue to take additional liberties until it becomes a level you aren't comfortable with. Never forget slavery was once "legal" in this country. Would you be willing to accept being someone slave if it meant your life was without any risk?

To quote George Costanza - "we are living in a society!"

Vaccine isn't 100% effective. Especially to the elderly, immunocompromised or those that are too young. It's a seatbelt but you can still be hit and killed or damaged long-term.

It's an unfully tested seatbelt that has the potential to do more harm than good. So at the very least it should be a person choice to make without fear of discrimination.

We live in a society. But as a society we've done things that many of us would all agree with the power of hindsight was completely unacceptable. If all we do is let the authorities tell us what to do unchecked we are responsible for the outcomes. That's why the people who founded this country made it an priority to not put fear over individuals freedoms.

It does not have the potential to do more harm than good.

We aren't allowing the authorities to tell us what to do unchecked - its been checked, a lot. More so than most things actually. Probably you guys have done more "research" - and I airquote it because research has not been a strong suit of the anti-vax crowd - on this than any other medication ever. And certainly its been scrutinized in public more than anything in recent memory. And its come out clean if you look at the actual studies.

Feigning ignorance then using said ignorance as a reason doesn't fly

[Sharcm1]

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Who is somehow a member of congress.

Yep.

[art_tatum]

Lol joe rogan literally said why arent we policing fat and unhealthy people cause they are more likely to get and spread covid with worse symptoms. Why only police vaccines.
How dumb is that?
Maybe because being fat isnt inherently harmful to others, and it takes years to strengthen your immune system and be like dwayne the rock johnson.
Vs we can get people shots and it would just take a few days for their immune systems to improve against covid.
The gov does try to get people and kids to be healthier anyways. That was all of what michelle obama did.

[thisiskoz]

Lol joe rogan literally said why arent we policing fat and unhealthy people cause they are more likely to get and spread covid with worse symptoms. Why only police vaccines.
How dumb is that?
Maybe because being fat isnt inherently harmful to others, and it takes years to strengthen your immune system and be like dwayne the rock johnson.
Vs we can get people shots and it would just take a few days for their immune systems to improve against covid.
The gov does try to get people and kids to be healthier anyways. That was all of what michelle obama did.

These same people pushed back against the FLOTUS program, sugar taxes, soft drink size limits, etc, because the reality is the freedom argument isn't about freedom, it's about being in favor of restrictions that apply to you and not me. And the goalposts move as needed.

[NyKnicks1714]

Lol joe rogan literally said why arent we policing fat and unhealthy people cause they are more likely to get and spread covid with worse symptoms. Why only police vaccines.
How dumb is that?
Maybe because being fat isnt inherently harmful to others, and it takes years to strengthen your immune system and be like dwayne the rock johnson.
Vs we can get people shots and it would just take a few days for their immune systems to improve against covid.
The gov does try to get people and kids to be healthier anyways. That was all of what michelle obama did.

And she got attacked for it by the same people who are now asking why the government isn't making a push for us to eat healthier if they're so worried about about our health.

[Da ThRONe]

To quote George Costanza - "we are living in a society!"

Vaccine isn't 100% effective. Especially to the elderly, immunocompromised or those that are too young. It's a seatbelt but you can still be hit and killed or damaged long-term.

It's an unfully tested seatbelt that has the potential to do more harm than good. So at the very least it should be a person choice to make without fear of discrimination.

We live in a society. But as a society we've done things that many of us would all agree with the power of hindsight was completely unacceptable. If all we do is let the authorities tell us what to do unchecked we are responsible for the outcomes. That's why the people who founded this country made it an priority to not put fear over individuals freedoms.

It does not have the potential to do more harm than good.

We aren't allowing the authorities to tell us what to do unchecked - its been checked, a lot. More so than most things actually. Probably you guys have done more "research" - and I airquote it because research has not been a strong suit of the anti-vax crowd - on this than any other medication ever. And certainly its been scrutinized in public more than anything in recent memory. And its come out clean if you look at the actual studies.

Feigning ignorance then using said ignorance as a reason doesn't fly

Ok so what's up the impact of the vaccine on women's menstrual cycles? The fact that this question has yet to be answered means that the vaccine has the potential to be more harmful than helpful.

[Curmudgeon]

What's the impact of covid-19 on women's menstrual cycles?

[FNQ]

It's an unfully tested seatbelt that has the potential to do more harm than good. So at the very least it should be a person choice to make without fear of discrimination.

We live in a society. But as a society we've done things that many of us would all agree with the power of hindsight was completely unacceptable. If all we do is let the authorities tell us what to do unchecked we are responsible for the outcomes. That's why the people who founded this country made it an priority to not put fear over individuals freedoms.

It does not have the potential to do more harm than good.

We aren't allowing the authorities to tell us what to do unchecked - its been checked, a lot. More so than most things actually. Probably you guys have done more "research" - and I airquote it because research has not been a strong suit of the anti-vax crowd - on this than any other medication ever. And certainly its been scrutinized in public more than anything in recent memory. And its come out clean if you look at the actual studies.

Feigning ignorance then using said ignorance as a reason doesn't fly

Ok so what's up the impact of the vaccine on women's menstrual cycles? The fact that this question has yet to be answered means that the vaccine has the potential to be more harmful than helpful.

Ah, the newest argument. Great. As noted above - what damage is it causing? Because its not infertility, its not damage to the uterine lining, its not anything chronic - its simply been a stress reaction to the vaccine.

And that's not to downplay women's suffering at all. Obviously if there is a direct connection to a heavier or absent cycle, that needs to be addressed. And recently 5 vaunted research labs were given grants to figure this out. So far the prevailing concept is that the endometrium is taking on advanced weight, which is then purged, causing heavier flows. Any irregularity for any women is typically a cause for concern, however there are minimal reports of it happening for more than one cycle.

There is nothing atypical about an irregular cycle when the immune system is activated. Its in fact a sign of the body doing what its supposed to be doing.

So exactly what damage is it doing, why are you scared of it, and why did it take you this long to mention it? Haven't really seen you fighting for women's rights earlier in the thread. Are the arguments above them now defunct and you've moved on to the next talking point? Can't wait to hear what the next one is

[FNQ]

What's the impact of covid-19 on women's menstrual cycles?

Heavier or longer flow likely caused by activation of the immune system. So far there are no other documented and continual issues other than the flow, which is why it hasnt been pushed as a big issue. However, its not something we should just let happen, as if it is an immune response as the great majority hypothesize, there should be a way to minimize it, or pair it with another medication to either ease the pain or curb the immunoresponse

In relation to the overall safety of the vaccine, its just random flailing and grabbing at straws.

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NBA STAR BRANDON GOODWIN GETS BLOOD CLOTS AFTER THE CLOT SHOT
Ended his season, possibly his NBA career.
The NBA asked him to keep it hush!

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[slick_watts]

this thread is the first time i think i saw someone use the phrase 'we live in a society' unironically. great job.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I’m done with you all, really.

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[ReddoverKobe]

NBA STAR BRANDON GOODWIN GETS BLOOD CLOTS AFTER THE CLOT SHOT
Ended his season, possibly his NBA career.
The NBA asked him to keep it hush!

Watch on YouTube

Heres a youtube video.

Make sure to check back with us with this is proven wrong.

[MoneyTalks41890]

NBA STAR BRANDON GOODWIN GETS BLOOD CLOTS AFTER THE CLOT SHOT
Ended his season, possibly his NBA career.
The NBA asked him to keep it hush!

Watch on YouTube

Heres a youtube video.

Make sure to check back with us with this is proven wrong.

NBA star and renowned scientist Brandon Goodwin self diagnoses the health issues that led to the end of his season. I really wonder how people think this kind of stuff supports their position. Wild.

[ReddoverKobe]

NBA STAR BRANDON GOODWIN GETS BLOOD CLOTS AFTER THE CLOT SHOT
Ended his season, possibly his NBA career.
The NBA asked him to keep it hush!

Watch on YouTube

Heres a youtube video.

Make sure to check back with us with this is proven wrong.

NBA star and renowned scientist Brandon Goodwin self diagnoses the health issues that led to the end of his season. I really wonder how people think this kind of stuff supports their position. Wild.

Not enough picard facepalms in the world for that. Its also kind of disgusting how people like him will say this kind of thing with zero knowledge about what happened.

[fishfuego.]

NBA STAR BRANDON GOODWIN GETS BLOOD CLOTS AFTER THE CLOT SHOT
Ended his season, possibly his NBA career.
The NBA asked him to keep it hush!

Watch on YouTube

Heres a youtube video.

Make sure to check back with us with this is proven wrong.

NBA star and renowned scientist Brandon Goodwin self diagnoses the health issues that led to the end of his season. I really wonder how people think this kind of stuff supports their position. Wild.

And who cares what a poster X has to say on an NBA forum. He is a victim of the shot, and that is more than enough for me to be truly cautious.