Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[Stanford]

I thought we were building around Sam Dalembert? Ha

I was so close to saying Dalembert instead

[Stanford]

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I'm guessing Sunday practices are solo weight lifting sessions with team trainers

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I'm not going to overreact about this, but I expected a new found fresh attitude with him. I imagine the "deal" between him, Doc, and Morey was that he would show up, play his ass off to raise his value and THEN we'd find a trade partner that could give us what we want in return for him. That to me is probably the handshake deal that they made. Ben has to bring his value back up and I think he will, but he needs to be doing everything in his power to do so. If that means showing up to every practice, then so be it.

[NYSixersFan]

My prediction is that Simmons misses the first 2 games because they won't to play him at home vs the Nets...he will then play the next two games, both on the road....he will play well.....he will be traded October 27th.

[DCasey91]

Zion is going to have a sad ending, 4-5 years left at this play style. Physics don’t care

He’s a natural 270 (250 in high school plus 20 for maturity). His weight and mass distribution is insane. Gained 100 pounds in two years in high school naturally isn’t normal.

Already believe he has a genetic abnormality (Dads a linebacker and his mum is even more physically dom) dom/recessive genes no ways around it. Years from now they’ll be an official doctors report on it stating it so.

Can only do one of two things:

1. Play the finesse game ala Griffin

2. Or double down keep it at 270 and play like a 6”6” Shaq that moves like MJ with post centric offense. That would require a Myles Turner as rim protection. He’s unstoppable at the rim and has absurd efficiency anyway. So park the Mack truck with F1 handling there. No more high flying acrobatics but it’s auto offense all day.

No male elite sportsmen has ever played at their high school weight, posters on the main board are very ignorant of weight/mass distribution.

Zion is literally the GOAT basketball athlete as a teenager it’s obscene how a kid that was 250+, 6”6”, bear strength with zero professional weight training, highest torque ever recorded, speed, contortion that would make a figure skater envious, 40+ inch vert, dunk from the free throw line with ease... that was him as an 18 yr old. Would literally body any goat level player as an 18 yr old. Zion is very much one of one.
Everyone else has to put in the wrench time, he’s built entirely different.

Exhibit A.

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2:37 would take out every kid under the sun. Torque + leverage = game over. His body mechanics are incredible look at the leg twist/whip. No wonder he isn’t going to last. Zion skipped a human evolution line and the human body just isn’t cut out for this.

Exhibit B.

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Exhibit C.

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See the noticeable differences? Zion is a 6”6” Shaq + MJ but only if that 18 yr old kid was fully grown up at 250 pounds! He’s the king of the manchilds. Both of them are lean (duh they are teenagers) the opposite is true for Zion.

Bears that can fly aren’t meant to last. He’ll be 300+ pounds once his career is over, haven’t seen anything like it.

It should really be zero weight training and high high intensity cardio workouts (boxing, swimming, running) strict diet with no carbs and even then he’d probably be too big lol. I wouldn’t put him near a dumbbell at all. Dude was brolic or like some anime character with zero training time lol

There is nothing natural about it. Sure some guys have bigger frames for sure but Id like to see a body fat test on our friend Zion Im guessing about 20% Im guessing the average NBA player is at 10-12%. He needs to be eat better. He was a bad eater as a kid with high body fat too lol. Nothing changed. Also I do not believe his reported weight is accurate at all. I feel like whatever he or his team has claimed he is feel free to add 20 to that. He should be able to play at roughly what Barkley played at once he realized being 280 at 6'5 was a problem. He could get to 250-260 and that would be fine.

People don’t get it, last time I’ll explain it. Zion is nothing like Barkley. Zion has two different weight classes between them.

Look at him as an 18 year old.

BMI is flawed don’t you know that?

Actually look at him ffs. Naturally huge everywhere upper and lower. Even if he leaned out there would be distinct mass advantage to Zion compared to everybody else. His girth, his upper shoulders, his legs and gluteus maximus is huge. There’s no place where he isn’t, that’s the trouble and the unsettling thing.

I think your looking at 270 rather than 250-260 , there’s a threshold as he gets older even if he has the strictest regiment on the planet because there’s no one like him.

He has incredible natural fluid mechanics on the ground and up in the air which actually is part of the problem. Physics at the end of the day reigns supreme above all else.

I wished he wasn’t as naturally gifted as of an athlete (280 flying out the gym, rather it be 280 with a lot less torque/whip off the mark along with less awareness of moving parts but that is innate ).

They already did tests his power/weight ratio its the greatest ever recorded in the NBA. The square pounds of pressure he releases and has to land on makes it so his legs are going to give out (already happening).

Keep going back but he skipped an evo line it’s impossible long term his body will give out. He’s too big and acrobatic for his own good.

There’s no lying on his weight he’s unbelievably naturally big.

An egalitarian response would be okay let every NBA player go back to his school weight... that’s isn’t correct in fact it’s false thinking.

He’s a dude wait until he’s 25 or so it would be like baby manchild hulk becomes worldbreaker hulk

First it was the knee, then toe next it will be a broken leg/ACL. And he’ll do it naturally which is the sad thing.

Even if we was 250-260 I’m betting he’s body will still give out.

Best description is a bear that can fly, of course he’s not going to last long unless he reinvents his whole gamestyle approach.

All the other “big” players had much much better weight/mass distribution and less torque and power and whip off the mark. Look at Shaq in high school, there’s a huge difference between them.

[DCasey91]

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Told you Sir Charles is nothing like Zion. He played at 250 in College and he was noticeably shorter.

Zion was in high school I repeat high school.

They are different in weight classes.

[DCasey91]

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This is College Zion. He’d body Barkley

He bodies everyone

Play number 2..... um that kind of isn’t real lol.

Told you you’re looking at more towards 270 then the bs 250-260.

[Kobblehead]

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[fkd215]

Failing to build around Kenny Thomas was a disaster

True. He would have been an amazing second option to the generational talent of Efthimios Rentzias.

[kuclas]

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Something was not right with Ben since his sister accused his half brother of sexual abuse during the season. He played poorly for a stretch.

The hawks series took a toll on Ben. Hack a Ben especially game 5. Than Ben getting into foul trouble early in game 6 when sixers looked like they would get blown out early. Somehow Maxey being plugged in early gave sixers a spark to get game back together by beginning of the second quarter and Simmons again getting into foul trouble early in the fourth and seeing Maxey provide another spark.

So Simmons was not in the right mindset.

[freshie2]

Barkley was so good. Zion will have a great career if he ends up being compared to Barkley when he is done playing.

[Black Mage]

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So much for being "thrown under the bus".

This is super normal for a rookie and a valid complain, but also every number 1 pick would get similar flack for their production and lack of improvement.

Somehow Kobe and Tim figured it out.

[76ciology]

The more u learn about Ben the more u’ll realize that we should have called a divorce with him early on.

If Bosh, LeBron and Wade were all drafted by a team, atleast one of them will ask to be traded.

To form a superteam, i think its best to form one thru trades or FA. This is considering growth and ego.

A guy like Ben has been conditioned in his mind that he’s bigger than life at an early age, it will be tough for him to accept a lesser role.

And yeah, that situation he got with his family is just crazy. I really couldnt blame him if that affected his play, wishing him nothing but the best and hope his family issues gets fixed.

[Simmons25]

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Seriously can you blame Simmons for wanting out.... he says he was with a physio that morning and suddenly they extrapolated from that, that he made it all up on the off chance they tested positive to covid because didn't want to play in Game 7 Who is telling Ramona Shelburne this rubbish deliberately trying to poison Simmons reputation. And people seriously demanded he turned up again.

I can't possibly imagine the front office or owners are doing this and destroying his value. This is down to either the coach or certain player/players who just want him out.

We all know which player constantly interviews with Ramona and who she has mentioned has called her in the past. The same bloke that lied about Al Horford being brought in to help Simmons and that Butler left because of Simmons.

[76ciology]

Zion?

He should push hard now and play like Giannis and aim for that max contract. He’s doing that BTW with his “win now” demand.

Once he declines, he should try to lose weight and play more like Draymond or Blake. I prefer Draymond’s style of play for him.

Have to adapt as you go thru stages of your life where you strengths, your weaknesses, your team and the game would also change

[DCasey91]

I see more mini Shaq than Green, park him close to the rim and get a real good pnr operator that can shoot and a rim protector that can shoot = Free buckets all day. 30/7/4 with very near 60% FG. He’s absurd close in

[GutUNC]

My prediction is that Simmons misses the first 2 games because they won't to play him at home vs the Nets...he will then play the next two games, both on the road....he will play well.....he will be traded October 27th.

I get not wanting to play him at home but what about those 2 road games is going to alter his trade value in a way that has it making more sense to trade him then instead of now?

[Kobblehead]

TTo form a superteam, i think its best to form one thru trades or FA. This is considering growth and ego.

I think this is a great point, and one with a lot of precedence.

I do, however, think you can form a homegrown star duo that lasts for a long time. You just have to be both smart and lucky enough to get guys with complimentary games.

And you have to have the foresight to cut bait with third wheel that doesn't fit.

Thunder should have cut bait with Westbrook and endorsed the Durant/Harden duo.
Timberwolves should have cut bait earlier with Wiggins and endorsed the Towns/Lavine duo.

[Tomjas]

If Simmons is going to play for the Sixers again then he should play the first home game

Get it over & done with & move on

[NYSixersFan]

My prediction is that Simmons misses the first 2 games because they won't to play him at home vs the Nets...he will then play the next two games, both on the road....he will play well.....he will be traded October 27th.

I get not wanting to play him at home but what about those 2 road games is going to alter his trade value in a way that has it making more sense to trade him then instead of now?

It's psychological. The last memory other teams have is from the Hawks series.