[Anonymous Scout]: Colin Sexton An As***** & A Backup

[Texas Chuck]

"None of his teammates like him" as a scouting report is hilarious. Going to start all replies on the GB with: "None of your fellow poster like you." Such a checkmate move (if you are 8 years old).

You only think its checkmate. Cuz I'll see that and raise it with I am rubber, and you are glue.....

And wow one guy doesn't like this one other guy. I'm such a great journalist to run with this as my scouting report.... These guys only want name recognition and clicks. The state of sports journalism just sucks right now.

[mg]

Put Sexton on a team surrounded by offensively challenged elite defenders and I think he becomes a net positive. Especially if you can let him go nuts and chuck unlimited shots as 6th man. One team where he’d fit like a glove is the Raptors.

The thing is Sexton is not a chucker. He is a very efficient scorer. Almost all his shots are very makeable. His speed gets him alot of easy baskets.

A very bad writer in Cleveland named Sam Amico is always pulling out the unnamed scout source which usually means he is just pulling crap out of the air just to fill an article. Maybe this writer should've done some actual research and watched some Cavs games. It's not just Collin but his entire write up for the Cavs is ludicrous including the excerpt on Drummond. At least Nance who was actually in the lockerroom last season spoke up on twitter to tell the truth. The Cavs have been an easy target since Lebron left but they finally seem to be going down a good road.

[cupcakesnake]

The state of sports journalism just sucks right now.

Yeah there's been a couple bad articles out the past couple days, and the Simmons/Kyrie stories dominating the media has made following basketball particularly painful. Loaded up some of my favorite podcasts do do chores the other day, and each and every one just talked about Kyrie/Simmons. Felt like I was trapped on the General Board!

I felt that watching Zach Lowe's rise made me optimistic a few years back. Like: oh! quality does rise to the top. Around the same time ESPN was scooping up Givony, another journalist with integrity. The Grantland era made me optimistic for ESPN, with Lowe and Goldsberry becoming prominent. But it does feel like it has stalled out, and I'm looking for basketball analysis from youtube accounts more than the major media outlets. The Athletic has been consistently solid. All in all, I'd say sports journalism has improved, but it feels like is rises and falls. I don't like giving my time/clicks/eye balls to the bad journalists because there are a handful of good ones out there.

[JonFromVA]

If journalism was actually a thing in sports coverage it would be easier to accept the anonymous scout because the report would have been double or triple checked. Actually didn't this come from SI? They might have bothered to vet the remarks.

BTW the scout was right about Drummond... not that he's good, but that when the Cavs traded for Allen and asked Drummond to come off the bench they made it clear they weren't going to back up the Brinks truck for him and lost him. Until then the Cavs were playing some exceptional defense fueled by Andre and Nance Jr and Andre almost beating some teams almost on his own.

Anyway, there are reasons the Cavs are considering trading Sexton and the Scout likely overstated some of them, but I don't completely dismiss it even with Nance's strong repudiation.

[Lunartic]

What's with the all the "he better give us his real name!" nonsense. Does anonymity make what they observed less true? Facts are facts, regardless if there's a name attached so people can attack them.

But what "facts" do you see here? This is just an opinion from an unnamed source. We can't verify Sexton playing for stats as a fact. We haven't verified "none of his teammates liking him". We can't verify he's an ****. Those are all opinions, and so is liking Garland more. A lot of people out there agree with some of these opinions, especially the preference of Garland part. But there's no "facts are facts" here.

I think fans are just annoyed with the low quality journalism of this piece. Lots of people are unsatisfied with the basis of an article being the opinion of an unnamed source. I think it's fine to criticize that. Not so much the giVe uS uR nAmE part, I agree that's silly, but the article just isn't hitting as having any substance for lots of fans responding in this thread. I like it when fans can identify the potential spin and agenda of any piece of media. This article definitely deserves some eye-rolling scrutiny.

(I don't disagree with the anonymity/honesty part of your post so I didn't quote it).

I'm not suggesting what the scout is saying are undisputed facts. I'm saying that whether he does it anonymously or not doesn't determine the veracity of the statements. (which I think you agreed with)

He's a scout, so he's paid to give his assessments and opinions of players. He said he's an ass**** and no one likes him etc. That can be disputed of course but the fact that he didn't put his name on it doesn't make it any less his honest opinion, quite the contrary I would presume.

I think people have a tendency to get mad whenever a belief is challenged. Had the scout written" Sexton is an outstanding, kind thoughtful young player and is intent on improving"

Would we see any of the "tell us his name" "he's a clown!!!" etc posts? Would you consider it to be low value journalism? Would it be worthy of eye-rolling scrutiny then?

[dickfox]

Not someone to build your team around and certainly wouldn't give him $100m+ but he would be a great scorer off the bench for a contending team. He's an undersized 2-guard that is a subpar defender, the next lou-williams.

[cupcakesnake]

What's with the all the "he better give us his real name!" nonsense. Does anonymity make what they observed less true? Facts are facts, regardless if there's a name attached so people can attack them.

But what "facts" do you see here? This is just an opinion from an unnamed source. We can't verify Sexton playing for stats as a fact. We haven't verified "none of his teammates liking him". We can't verify he's an ****. Those are all opinions, and so is liking Garland more. A lot of people out there agree with some of these opinions, especially the preference of Garland part. But there's no "facts are facts" here.

I think fans are just annoyed with the low quality journalism of this piece. Lots of people are unsatisfied with the basis of an article being the opinion of an unnamed source. I think it's fine to criticize that. Not so much the giVe uS uR nAmE part, I agree that's silly, but the article just isn't hitting as having any substance for lots of fans responding in this thread. I like it when fans can identify the potential spin and agenda of any piece of media. This article definitely deserves some eye-rolling scrutiny.

(I don't disagree with the anonymity/honesty part of your post so I didn't quote it).

I'm not suggesting what the scout is saying are undisputed facts. I'm saying that whether he does it anonymously or not doesn't determine the veracity of the statements. (which I think you agreed with)

He's a scout, so he's paid to give his assessments and opinions of players. He said he's an ass**** and no one likes him etc. That can be disputed of course but the fact that he didn't put his name on it doesn't make it any less his honest opinion, quite the contrary I would presume.

I think people have a tendency to get mad whenever a belief is challenged. Had the scout written" Sexton is an outstanding, kind thoughtful young player and is intent on improving"

Would we see any of the "tell us his name" "he's a clown!!!" etc posts? Would you consider it to be low value journalism? Would it be worthy of eye-rolling scrutiny then?

If the scout had said "Colin Sexton is going to be an MVP candidate this season and is everyone's best friend in the league" we'd probably have some kind of confused backlash.

Fans reacting to this are warry of the potential spin job, and also aware that journalists can make up sources. Maybe Cleveland already has a trade lined up for example, and it's for lower than expected value from Cavs fans, and so they're trying to soften the backlash. Also the angle of him not receiving an extension despite having a monster year. Or maybe the team that's trying to trade for him is trying to get his value down a bit. I'm not predicting any of this, I just think more fans are asking "why" when they see a piece like this. Was Chris Mannix having a beer with a scout/source and just needed an article to meet an SI deadline? Probably, the original Mannix article is a collection of scouting takes.

The Tim Daniels article is also suspicious. There's not a lot said in this article besides an anonymous scout not liking Sexton. He then tries to contextualize the position.

The 22-year-old University of Alabama product averaged 24.3 points, 4.4 assists, 3.1 rebounds and 1.6 threes across 60 appearances last season. His shooting percentage, which was 43 percent as a rookie in 2018-19, was up to 47.5 percent in 2020-21.

His advanced numbers tell a similar story. He accumulated an unsightly -7.4 WAR as a rookie, but that number improved to -0.6 in his second season and moved into positive figures (0.3) last year, per FiveThirtyEight.

Clearly trying to paint a picture of Sexton not actually being good. But his evidence of this was Sexton being really really bad 3 seasons ago. He use of Wins Over Replacement without citing that it's RAPTOR makes it seem like he just looked up a stat he wasn't even used to using. Tim Daniels is a BR news breaker, not a Cleveland beat writer. What did Daniels find so interesting about this tidbit, amidst 30+ tidbits from the Mannix article. It might not be anything nefarious, he might have just seen the **** line as the best click bait.

Anyways, I'm not defending people being like "name you source!". Obviously journalists respect off the record comments as a way to build their connections. But I think this article is either confusingly pointless, standard clickbait, or directed spin from a team with an agenda. I'm fine with fans saying "what is this garbage" even if they critiques aren't always on point.

[Texas Chuck]

nah you can go nameless when you are protecting a whistle blower or something. But if you whole point is to trash some NBA dude's character, you need the scout to go on the record(won't happen obviously) or simply not run the story. Or best practice would be to go ask some of Sexton's teammates to confirm off the record. Then you can run the bit from the scout with a note that you confirmed this with multiple teammates.

All this achieves is stirring up some **** with something that almost certainly isn't true. A former teammate certainly came out in strong denial. It's bad journalism and you shouldn't be defending it.

Letting one guy with who knows what agenda just utterly trash a guy's reputation and printing that is bush league.

[pilkoids]

Feels like the truth is somewhere in the middle here...

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[cgf]

6'1" high usage chucker who doesn't make others around him better and is a major defensive liability. Is he even better than Dillon Brooks? I'm not sure. That said, like Brooks and Lou Williams, he can get hot and carry an offense for an offensively challenged team even though most of it is just because they're given the green light for some reason despite obviously being net negatives. I honestly can't think of a single team that should want Sexton. Maybe a team that knows it's tanking and lets him be a tank commander and someone they can flip at the deadline for a team hammered by injuries? There's not many of those teams any longer though. Someone will really need to be desperate to pay him

Given how efficient he is, he should shine on most teams who run their offense through bigger playmakers; teams like Dallas, Charlotte, LAL, NYK, NOLA, Detroit, Milwaukee (if they hadn't gotten Jrue last summer), etc. The trick is filtering out those teams who can not afford to pay him what he wants and the price it'll take to entice Cleveland into giving him up.

[mg]

Feels like the truth is somewhere in the middle here...

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Nah the worst I've heard about Sexton is that he's a little socially awkward and spends all his waking minutes in the gym. From all reports he's a good kid and his teammates really like him which is why Nance reacted so strongly in his tweet. His perfect fit would be in Miami. He has that type mentality and is one young player that would get along well with Butler. He's also on that Heat diet where he doesn't have an ounce of fat on him.

[JonFromVA]

Feels like the truth is somewhere in the middle here...

Nah the worst I've heard about Sexton is that he's a little socially awkward and spends all his waking minutes in the gym. From all reports he's a good kid and his teammates really like him which is why Nance reacted so strongly in his tweet. His perfect fit would be in Miami. He has that type mentality and is one young player that would get along well with Butler. He's also on that Heat diet where he doesn't have an ounce of fat on him.

I've heard worse than that, and if I collected only the worst bits over the past few years it would paint an ugly picture like the scout has presented; but what are the odds this anonymous scout knows exactly how Collin's current teammates feel about him?

Well, obviously 0% unless we'd rather believe the guy who put his name to his remarks went out of his way to lie for a former teammate.

btw, 82games has Sexton at 45.7 pp100 with a 62% eFG in clutch situations last season (similar to Jamaal Murray). That doesn't sound like a player putting up empty numbers so much as a player who needs some help and needs to improve his own defense.

[wco81]

I feel like he could do really well on a team whose main playmakers are in the frontcourt.

Like if RJ's playmaking flashes develop as well as we (knicks fans) hope and Randle's passing ability starts matching his vision, I'd be pretty psyched to give Sexton 100M to replace Kemba...even if Thibs wasn't able to "get through to him" and convince him to tweak the way he plays so he can create more for his team-mates as he continues to develop/mature.

My hang-up would be giving Cleveland significant assets & then devoting so much of my cap space on a player with Sexton's limitations...but the money itself is reasonable.

He's got decent efficiency numbers, assists to TOs not great. At 6-1, probably not a great defender?

His numbers have improved every season but Cavs have won 19, 19 and 22 wins in his 3 seasons there.

What would be the max for a second contract? He could get 5 years at least $170 million? Certainly if he scored around 25 PPG on good efficiency again, you can argue he should get the max.

For instance, Jamal Murray got the max and Sexton arguably has better numbers in his 3 seasons than Murray did before Denver gave him the max extension. Of course Nuggets have won a lot more but they also have a much better team.

If you swapped Murray and Sexton, do the Cavs win more the past 3 season? Or do the Nuggets lose a lot more games with Sexton instead of Murray?

Gilbert is rich so he could pay Sexton and Garland, as well as Mobley whenever he's up for extension. But will they be a big winning team in 2-4 years when Sexton would be on his second contract?

Yeah Sexton could be an effective sixth man, just fill up the box score against second units. But he obviously wants a lot more money than sixth men get.

Cavs may have to try to sign him to a trade-able contract, somewhere around $20-22 million max per year. Sexton will be pissed, unless he gets an offer sheet for more than that per year.

Yeah that seems to be his trajectory, to be a Clarkson or Lou Williams. If he was 6-3 and more of a playmaker and became more of a shotmaker like Dame, it would be a different story.

[The_Hater]

OK, so what teams would love Sexton as their starting SG on a 100+ mil contract ?

I want to say none, he’s one dimensional with far too many negative skills, but there’s always one tram out there.

[mg]

OK, so what teams would love Sexton as their starting SG on a 100+ mil contract ?

I want to say none, he’s one dimensional with far too many negative skills, but there’s always one tram out there.

Meanwhile the stats say the opposite esp when it comes to his scoring efficiency. What is a negative skill btw?

I will predict the Cavs extend him by the end of Monday so alot of the chatter will be put to bed at that time.

[mg]

I feel like he could do really well on a team whose main playmakers are in the frontcourt.

Like if RJ's playmaking flashes develop as well as we (knicks fans) hope and Randle's passing ability starts matching his vision, I'd be pretty psyched to give Sexton 100M to replace Kemba...even if Thibs wasn't able to "get through to him" and convince him to tweak the way he plays so he can create more for his team-mates as he continues to develop/mature.

My hang-up would be giving Cleveland significant assets & then devoting so much of my cap space on a player with Sexton's limitations...but the money itself is reasonable.

He's got decent efficiency numbers, assists to TOs not great. At 6-1, probably not a great defender?

His numbers have improved every season but Cavs have won 19, 19 and 22 wins in his 3 seasons there.

What would be the max for a second contract? He could get 5 years at least $170 million? Certainly if he scored around 25 PPG on good efficiency again, you can argue he should get the max.

For instance, Jamal Murray got the max and Sexton arguably has better numbers in his 3 seasons than Murray did before Denver gave him the max extension. Of course Nuggets have won a lot more but they also have a much better team.

If you swapped Murray and Sexton, do the Cavs win more the past 3 season? Or do the Nuggets lose a lot more games with Sexton instead of Murray?

Gilbert is rich so he could pay Sexton and Garland, as well as Mobley whenever he's up for extension. But will they be a big winning team in 2-4 years when Sexton would be on his second contract?

Yeah Sexton could be an effective sixth man, just fill up the box score against second units. But he obviously wants a lot more money than sixth men get.

Cavs may have to try to sign him to a trade-able contract, somewhere around $20-22 million max per year. Sexton will be pissed, unless he gets an offer sheet for more than that per year.

Yeah that seems to be his trajectory, to be a Clarkson or Lou Williams. If he was 6-3 and more of a playmaker and became more of a shotmaker like Dame, it would be a different story.

I do believe the Cavs end up extending him on a Terry Rozier type contract which is the going rate for an efficient scoring guard. I don't think he would be pissed about it since from all accounts he's one of the rare dudes in the league that isn't totally money motivated.

[The_Hater]

OK, so what teams would love Sexton as their starting SG on a 100+ mil contract ?

I want to say none, he’s one dimensional with far too many negative skills, but there’s always one tram out there.

Meanwhile the stats say the opposite esp when it comes to his scoring efficiency. What is a negative skill btw?

I will predict the Cavs extend him by the end of Monday so alot of the chatter will be put to bed at that time.

One of the worst perimeter defenders in the league. Stats confirm that. Terrible passer for an undersized guard. Stats confirm that. His TS% improved to 57.3% last season, which is still below the league average (57,7) for the 3rd straight season. BPM netted out to 0.0 because of his terrible defence. RPM netted out to 0.08. Same issue. Once again, average. His team was bottom 3 on both sides of the ball, so he’d exactly making a difference in the win column.

Not sure which which stats you are looking at but there aren’t any advanced stats that are even above average and all his defensive stats are terrible.

[Woodsanity]

I am not high on Sexton but nothing worse than a wussy who hides under anonymity to bad talk someone. If you wanna talk trash, better not hide. Utterly, pathetic trash.

[bearadonisdna]

[youtube][/youtube]its weird how there is this weird point guard rivalry in cleveland.

player A .
17.3 ppg BPM -1.6 Ts% 54% PER 14

player B,
24.3 ppg BPM 0.0 Ts%57 PER 18

1 of these guys is a villian, a so called bench player

[mg]

[youtube][/youtube]its weird how there is this weird point guard rivalry in cleveland.

player A .
17.3 ppg BPM -1.6 Ts% 54% PER 14

player B,
24.3 ppg BPM 0.0 Ts%57 PER 18

1 of these guys is a villian, a so called bench player

One is also repped by Klutch who has their syncophants such as Draymond singing their praises.