Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[JudahMax]

Ben and the sizers done **** around yet? This marriage isn’t over and it won’t be over! There’s noway you trade Simmons for anything less than lillard and since that isn’t going to happen Simmons is a sixer and hopefully this off season was the wake up call he needed to get better after being bashed the entire off season from everyone on the fact that as great as he is at everything else but scoring it’s not good enough! If this doesn’t light a fire under Simmons then nothing ever will but I believe it will and we’ll see a different Ben this year! A hungry more dominating Ben Simmons who gives you everything including being a scorer. Can’t wait

[thenbaman]

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Seriously can you blame Simmons for wanting out.... he says he was with a physio that morning and suddenly they extrapolated from that, that he made it all up on the off chance they tested positive to covid because didn't want to play in Game 7 Who is telling Ramona Shelburne this rubbish deliberately trying to poison Simmons reputation. And people seriously demanded he turned up again.

I can't possibly imagine the front office or owners are doing this and destroying his value. This is down to either the coach or certain player/players who just want him out.

We all know which player constantly interviews with Ramona and who she has mentioned has called her in the past. The same bloke that lied about Al Horford being brought in to help Simmons and that Butler left because of Simmons.

Yes i can blame him.....

[Kobblehead]

Yes, I blame Simmons for his accountability deflection and this pathetic power play attempt.

[Sixerscan]

TTo form a superteam, i think its best to form one thru trades or FA. This is considering growth and ego.

I think this is a great point, and one with a lot of precedence.

I do, however, think you can form a homegrown star duo that lasts for a long time. You just have to be both smart and lucky enough to get guys with complimentary games.

And you have to have the foresight to cut bait with third wheel that doesn't fit.

Thunder should have cut bait with Westbrook and endorsed the Durant/Harden duo.
Timberwolves should have cut bait earlier with Wiggins and endorsed the Towns/Lavine duo.

I think even with complimentary skills you need a clear pecking order and the guys to be emotionally mature enough to handle that order. Like CJ and Lillard are pretty duplicative and they've had a lot of seasons that would have broken other duos up but both are level headed dudes, CJ knows Dame is the man and Dame knows he has to let CJ take over at times.

They're not exactly a super team though, maybe a better example would be the Spurs, who chugged along winning until Kawhi took over who clearly doesn't think like Duncan, Manu, Parker and so on.

[Kobblehead]

I wonder if a contributing factor for the C.J./Dame longevity was their humble beginnings (3 star recruits ending up at noname colleges) and age when drafted (both were 22 years old).

[ProcessDoctor]

I just want Dame already. Only Brooklyn and Milwaukee would stand a chance against our team with that duo.

Dame/Maxey/Springer
Green/Curry/Milton
Thybulle/Korkmaz/Joe
Harris/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

Hoping for a miserable start in Portland.

[Kobblehead]

I don't see either Lillard or Beal asking out.

Lillard doesn't want to take the hit to his brand because he's been preaching loyalty and being super righteous about it over the years.

Beal seems genuinely happy just putting up huge production on teams that fluctuate between being lotto-bound and being fringe playoff.

[BNelley24]

The more u learn about Ben the more u’ll realize that we should have called a divorce with him early on.

If Bosh, LeBron and Wade were all drafted by a team, atleast one of them will ask to be traded.

To form a superteam, i think its best to form one thru trades or FA. This is considering growth and ego.

A guy like Ben has been conditioned in his mind that he’s bigger than life at an early age, it will be tough for him to accept a lesser role.

And yeah, that situation he got with his family is just crazy. I really couldnt blame him if that affected his play, wishing him nothing but the best and hope his family issues gets fixed.

The problem with this philosophy is that we are Philadelphia and not New York or LA….Hinkie had the right plan, you build a winner in the type of market we have through the draft. We went from perennial garbage teams in the 2000s to “title contenders”. There were some mistakes made during the process, but I’d do it all over again 100/100 times.

We’ll find a trade this season at some point. Keep saying it, give the season a few weeks, some teams will underachieve and look to unload

[GutUNC]

My prediction is that Simmons misses the first 2 games because they won't to play him at home vs the Nets...he will then play the next two games, both on the road....he will play well.....he will be traded October 27th.

I get not wanting to play him at home but what about those 2 road games is going to alter his trade value in a way that has it making more sense to trade him then instead of now?

It's psychological. The last memory other teams have is from the Hawks series.

That’s how a fan might look at it, not the league.

[phillynative]

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This is College Zion. He’d body Barkley

He bodies everyone

Play number 2..... um that kind of isn’t real lol.

Told you you’re looking at more towards 270 then the bs 250-260.

Damn my guy put down the bottle of lotion.

[76ciology]

The more u learn about Ben the more u’ll realize that we should have called a divorce with him early on.

If Bosh, LeBron and Wade were all drafted by a team, atleast one of them will ask to be traded.

To form a superteam, i think its best to form one thru trades or FA. This is considering growth and ego.

A guy like Ben has been conditioned in his mind that he’s bigger than life at an early age, it will be tough for him to accept a lesser role.

And yeah, that situation he got with his family is just crazy. I really couldnt blame him if that affected his play, wishing him nothing but the best and hope his family issues gets fixed.

The problem with this philosophy is that we are Philadelphia and not New York or LA….Hinkie had the right plan, you build a winner in the type of market we have through the draft. We went from perennial garbage teams in the 2000s to “title contenders”. There were some mistakes made during the process, but I’d do it all over again 100/100 times.

We’ll find a trade this season at some point. Keep saying it, give the season a few weeks, some teams will underachieve and look to unload

Not build entirely through draft but build entirely through picks. Materialized and non materialized picks, which we either can draft or trade to mold a contender.

Problem with our team was we fail to see those picks as trade assets, until it’s too late (like right now with Ben). And what’s worse is we made bad bets its possible but tough to get good return for them.

It’s like trading Ben and picks for Harden, which almost happened. Or trading Ben for Kawhi. Where we see the guys we materialized with our materialized picks and our non materialized picks as a means to get a top tier star.

[76ciology]

TTo form a superteam, i think its best to form one thru trades or FA. This is considering growth and ego.

I think this is a great point, and one with a lot of precedence.

I do, however, think you can form a homegrown star duo that lasts for a long time. You just have to be both smart and lucky enough to get guys with complimentary games.

And you have to have the foresight to cut bait with third wheel that doesn't fit.

Thunder should have cut bait with Westbrook and endorsed the Durant/Harden duo.
Timberwolves should have cut bait earlier with Wiggins and endorsed the Towns/Lavine duo.

Would drafting center after center with lottery picks fit that description? You know the answer to that. I know you do and dont answer it to not get in trouble

I think its possible to build through the draft. But like you said, you need to have the foresight to see the entire picture. Not just blindly BPA’ing your way based on draftexpress’ mock draft to build a contender.

[Kobblehead]

I'm pretty surprised that teams tend to stick to the BPA formula after like the first 4-5 guys. At that point, I don't really think there is a BPA. At that point, I think you should draft for need and get guys that you have a 20 mpg role to develop them in.

[Sixerscan]

I'm pretty surprised that teams tend to stick to the BPA formula after like the first 4-5 guys. At that point, I don't really think there is a BPA. At that point, I think you should draft for need and get guys that you have a 20 mpg role to develop them in.

The issue is most of these guys when they get drafted just aren’t good enough to be counted on to be in a playoff rotation and you don’t know exactly how they’re going to develop. Maxey had one of the bigger roles of any rookie in the playoffs and even he was pretty terrible for like the first half of the year. The suns drafted that center over Halliburton and he was so lost that after Dario got hurt they were playing Frank Kaminsky in the flipping nba finals.

[Mr Loggins]

Just thinking about all the F-Ups since 2005 with this franchise...either injuries or mental issues...

1) Webber
2) Brand
3) Bynum
4) Fultz
5) Simmons

Sometimes feels like Embiid is hanging on by a thread with all his injuries.

Nothing tops the Fultz debacle. Bryan Colangelo was the teams biggest F'up.

That was brilliant. Shows up for a few days, trades Tatum and another pick for Fuktz, then constanza style leaves on a high note. I’m 2 weeks managed to mess up 4 years of the Process

[FlyingArrow]

Just thinking about all the F-Ups since 2005 with this franchise...either injuries or mental issues...

1) Webber
2) Brand
3) Bynum
4) Fultz
5) Simmons

Sometimes feels like Embiid is hanging on by a thread with all his injuries.

Nothing tops the Fultz debacle. Bryan Colangelo was the teams biggest F'up.

That was brilliant. Shows up for a few days, trades Tatum and another pick for Fuktz, then constanza style leaves on a high note. I’m 2 weeks managed to mess up 4 years of the Process

The Fultz debacle was not quite as bad as the Horford signing. The Fultz pick itself looks bad in hindsight, but was a good pick at the time. Trading up for it was a bad move. Waste of a FRP. Fultz was the right pick that turned out poorly, but he was never worth two FRP in the first place.

The Horford signing was questionable to begin with and it cost a first to shed the contract.

Both of the moves wasted a FRP.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

The Fultz pick in theory should have been a slam dunk. I didn't see how there was any way he was gonna miss. Props to those that did, but in all fairness to him, we didn't exactly handle that situation the best. I think we jumped the gun on trading him. He'll never live up to his number one pick status, but he's moved on and became a decent point guard in this league. I hate that he didn't work out here. That one was painful, but it was masked over due to us acquiring Butler. At the time because we had Butler, losing Fultz didn't seem all that bad. In hindsight, we should have just held on to him and waited.

[DCasey91]

The more u learn about Ben the more u’ll realize that we should have called a divorce with him early on.

If Bosh, LeBron and Wade were all drafted by a team, atleast one of them will ask to be traded.

To form a superteam, i think its best to form one thru trades or FA. This is considering growth and ego.

A guy like Ben has been conditioned in his mind that he’s bigger than life at an early age, it will be tough for him to accept a lesser role.

And yeah, that situation he got with his family is just crazy. I really couldnt blame him if that affected his play, wishing him nothing but the best and hope his family issues gets fixed.

The problem with this philosophy is that we are Philadelphia and not New York or LA….Hinkie had the right plan, you build a winner in the type of market we have through the draft. We went from perennial garbage teams in the 2000s to “title contenders”. There were some mistakes made during the process, but I’d do it all over again 100/100 times.

We’ll find a trade this season at some point. Keep saying it, give the season a few weeks, some teams will underachieve and look to unload

Not build entirely through draft but build entirely through picks. Materialized and non materialized picks, which we either can draft or trade to mold a contender.

Problem with our team was we fail to see those picks as trade assets, until it’s too late (like right now with Ben). And what’s worse is we made bad bets its possible but tough to get good return for them.

It’s like trading Ben and picks for Harden, which almost happened. Or trading Ben for Kawhi. Where we see the guys we materialized with our non materialized picks and our non materialized picks as a means to get a top tier star.

100% agree

Because every team gets picks, use them as trading tools.

I think better teams understand this point moreso than others.

Don’t get emotionally attached to players because of FA and player empowerment.

I mean we’ve seen numerous players strongarm clubs.

Even Towns at the Wolves is a real disaster scenario. It’s like trade Antman or Towns/DLO leaves before the Wolves realize this and fail to trade them.

Anything outside a first rnd pick should be cycled through. First rnd picks should go towards trading for established not theoretical unless of course someone gives you a generational talent literally on your dinner plate (Luka). Outside a Top 5 pick prospects are very much fluid. Some over some under

Pick in the 20’s can bring in more value then a pick in teens if the scouting is top tier and know what they are doing compared to a club that doesn’t.

Expiring vets should bring returns every year to top up. We have 3 right now with value sized contracts (Green, Drummond, Curry) and younger value contracts (Thybulle, Maxey, Milton) that’s six that should bring healthy returns. Take continuity into consideration but outside of that the talent influx is so high in the NBA you can always fall into good players.

The overall scheme for us is to max out Embiid as much as possible we’ve just failed repeatedly at doing that.

I don’t like Beal/Harden both either will demand a huge bag at their club they are at right now or leave and go to the highest bidder in FA. Butler 2.0

Players get to go where they like at the end of the day now with not much fuss if we are being honest. Entitled this isn’t real work stuff.

It’s not like we can keep FA players.....

Instead look for younger talent on longer contracts

Hint hint Brandon Ingram. Safe and locked up, young and entering his prime perfect.

You only have 9 for the playoff squad so choose wisely, low end, marginal players shouldn’t even begin to be on the priority list you can grab those on literally G league scouting or something like that.

[76ciology]

I'm pretty surprised that teams tend to stick to the BPA formula after like the first 4-5 guys. At that point, I don't really think there is a BPA. At that point, I think you should draft for need and get guys that you have a 20 mpg role to develop them in.

BPA should be based on overall context and not just the talent compared to the rest of the draft class.

The overall context should include and not be limited to how he fits to your team, his upside and how his strengths and weaknesses are transition-able relative to how the game is played and how the game will be played.

Then you make your bet. You’re not assured that it will work but atleast you need to be RESPONSIBLE to make a good one.

The hardest part is being open and knowing when to trade. There are a lot of reason why. What’s most obvious is if the player does not fit with your franchise player or can’t be a franchise player.

[76ciology]

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