Questionable Cavs narratives

JonFromVA · Post #1 » by **JonFromVA** » Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:13 pm

1. Sexland can't work
2. Garland is too passive
3. Sexton is a ball stopper
4. Okoro is too short to play SF
5. Windler/Love are useless because they can't stay healthy
6. Cedi is worthless

I don't take any of these for granted and look forward to at least some of these realities/perceptions being reversed.

What else do you guys have?

FranchisePlayer · Post #2 » by **FranchisePlayer** » Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:06 pm

7. Markkanen is exactly what an average Bulls fan claims him to be.
8. Sexton and Garland can't play together.
9. Everyone knows already what we're gonna get from Rubio.

El Hespiritu · Post #3 » by **El Hespiritu** » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:44 pm

10. RRubio can't shoot.

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I was guessing where to post this other than CaveTrolls thread.

This one looks kinda the right place...

Read on Twitter

A whole of a narrative indeed.

JonFromVA · Post #4 » by **JonFromVA** » Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:24 am

El Hespiritu wrote:10. RRubio can't shoot.

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I was guessing where to post this other than CaveTrolls thread.

This one looks kinda the right place...

Read on Twitter

A whole of a narrative indeed.

There's a thread on the subject on the general board, since out of this entire article ... Collin Sexton was apparently the only player attacked and singled out by an anonymous scout.

One thing that always happen when anyone is making a case against a player is that they will drag up everything that's ever gone wrong and try to create a narrative from it. Which doesn't mean there isn't some truth in the scout's claims, but unless this scout is actually an assistant coach or higher with the Cavs - at best all he has to base his claim on are rumors likely snapshot at some point in time.

Does everyone on the Cavs hate Collin Sexton? Well this is demonstrably not the case because Larry Nance Jr didn't have to say anything. otoh, he's under no compunction to share whatever dirty laundry he might be privy to.

Post #5 » by **jbk1234** » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:19 am

JonFromVA wrote:
El Hespiritu wrote:10. RRubio can't shoot.

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I was guessing where to post this other than CaveTrolls thread.

This one looks kinda the right place...

Read on Twitter

A whole of a narrative indeed.

There's a thread on the subject on the general board, since out of this entire article ... Collin Sexton was apparently the only player attacked and singled out by an anonymous scout.

One thing that always happen when anyone is making a case against a player is that they will drag up everything that's ever gone wrong and try to create a narrative from it. Which doesn't mean there isn't some truth in the scout's claims, but unless this scout is actually an assistant coach or higher with the Cavs - at best all he has to base his claim on are rumors likely snapshot at some point in time.

Does everyone on the Cavs hate Collin Sexton? Well this is demonstrably not the case because Larry Nance Jr didn't have to say anything. otoh, he's under no compunction to share whatever dirty laundry he might be privy to.

The scout was with another team so it seems there was a good deal of speculation in that part of his statement. Also, there's the issue of whether the scout works for a potential trade partner who might be looking to get him for cheap.

Having said all of that, the reported offers were really meh this summer and I suspect that Miami is out after having traded for Lowry.

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El Hespiritu · Post #6 » by **El Hespiritu** » Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:29 am

What I don't get is: Why Sex Toon?

I mean... if you're trying to scold a player (usually for click-bait reasons), you normally shoot bigger preys (LeBald, Flatearth, FunGuy, The Beard...).
Had he do it so, that report would made a lot more noise, more people talking about it, more polemics and scuffles...

Why the only guy of the entire NBA who got hate in this report is a young player from a not-big-market franchise who is not even considered a star yet?
I can't believe an elaborated ruse from some GM trying to get Colin cheaper.

My best guess is: this is personal.

There is or there was someone at Cavs organization (not necessarily a scouter... perhaps an executive or a ball boy) closely related to this anonymous writer (by family or friendship).

I dare to say that someone felt him (or her)self professionally damaged to some extent by SexToon and the writer took it personal.

JonFromVA · Post #7 » by **JonFromVA** » Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:34 pm

Chris Mannix of SI wrote the article. If any organization can still be bothered to check their sources in this day and age I would think maybe SI's editors would demand it from a long form article.

Post #8 » by **jbk1234** » Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:47 pm

El Hespiritu wrote:What I don't get is: Why Sex Toon?

I mean... if you're trying to scold a player (usually for click-bait reasons), you normally shoot bigger preys (LeBald, Flatearth, FunGuy, The Beard...).
Had he do it so, that report would made a lot more noise, more people talking about it, more polemics and scuffles...

Why the only guy of the entire NBA who got hate in this report is a young player from a not-big-market franchise who is not even considered a star yet?
I can't believe an elaborated ruse from some GM trying to get Colin cheaper.

My best guess is: this is personal.

There is or there was someone at Cavs organization (not necessarily a scouter... perhaps an executive or a ball boy) closely related to this anonymous writer (by family or friendship).

I dare to say that someone felt him (or her)self professionally damaged to some extent by SexToon and the writer took it personal.

The article identifies the source as a scout with another organization, so unless your hypothetical whisperer here is Drummond, I don't buy it.

Honestly, I suspect this scout is watching interactions on the court that occur between Sexton and his teammates, and extrapolating based on that (speculation). Or, he's projecting that he would, personally, hate playing with Sexton.

But it doesn't do the Cavs, or any player on the Cavs, any good to knock down Sexton's trade value. If the Cavs were comfortable extending Sexton at his number, he'd be extended. If they're not comfortable with his number, moving him for the most they can get is the smart play.

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JonFromVA · Post #9 » by **JonFromVA** » Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:25 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
El Hespiritu wrote:What I don't get is: Why Sex Toon?

I mean... if you're trying to scold a player (usually for click-bait reasons), you normally shoot bigger preys (LeBald, Flatearth, FunGuy, The Beard...).
Had he do it so, that report would made a lot more noise, more people talking about it, more polemics and scuffles...

Why the only guy of the entire NBA who got hate in this report is a young player from a not-big-market franchise who is not even considered a star yet?
I can't believe an elaborated ruse from some GM trying to get Colin cheaper.

My best guess is: this is personal.

There is or there was someone at Cavs organization (not necessarily a scouter... perhaps an executive or a ball boy) closely related to this anonymous writer (by family or friendship).

I dare to say that someone felt him (or her)self professionally damaged to some extent by SexToon and the writer took it personal.
The article identifies the source as a scout with another organization, so unless your hypothetical whisperer here is Drummond, I don't buy it.

Honestly, I suspect this scout is watching interactions on the court that occur between Sexton and his teammates, and extrapolating based on that (speculation). Or, he's projecting that he would, personally, hate playing with Sexton.

But it doesn't do the Cavs, or any player on the Cavs, any good to knock down Sexton's trade value. If the Cavs were comfortable extending Sexton at his number, he'd be extended. If they're not comfortable with his number, moving him for the most they can get is the smart play.

There's a lot of back channel chatter that goes on in the league and out. Lots of stuff people hear just attending summer league.

Thats why I primarily question how up to date the scouts views are...

El Hespiritu · Post #10 » by **El Hespiritu** » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:49 pm

Drummond??
Summer League??

OK. I drop this matter here.
Gratitude for your kind feedback.

JonFromVA · Post #11 » by **JonFromVA** » Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:32 pm

My point was there's a lot of unreported chatter that goes on a across the league and as an example I mentioned how a regular fan can go to Summer league and get swept up in a conversation with a scout or an assistant and hear things you won't hear reported. Far more gets passed between people in the league and also amongst reporters.

Do people have biases that can color their conclusions when they only have rumors to go on? Absolutely.