Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[rzzzzz]

I think Embiid should direct the crowd. When they start booing, he should stand up and encourage them to get as loud as possible, beyond their intended intensity, until it gets to be like a joke. And then he should direct them to calm down, at least until something actually happens on the court that’s worth reacting to.

[GutUNC]

Thats debatable.

Everyone is walking into this expecting him to be booed. It's not news nor is it change the calculation in any way. Now if there is an incident beyond that maybe it becomes more of a story but just booing isn't a huge deal sorry.

Applying additional pressure (on Morey or on Klutch) to hurry in to a deal that isn't on the Sixers optimal time table is most definitely *NOT* a positive. Sorry, I don't see that as debatable. Also not debatable imo...that there's some positive to it. "Fans get to show they're mad" is not helping anything, it's a performative gesture.

We need to buy time for teams to see that they're offseason plan was bad while we're still winning enough regular season games to avoid burying our seeding. For that to happen, we need Ben's fragile little ego to be as unbothered as possible*.

*-assuming he actually plays, which I seriously doubt

Him being booed does nothing as it relates to additional pressure on Morey players in sports get booed all the time.

As far as to whether they should that is for each individual paying customer to decide. I think we all agree it's more than justified. So you are essentially asking 20,000 customers/fans to follow some sort of machiavellian scheme good luck with that. It's gonna happen if he plays and if his handlers try to use that to their advantage honestly if I were Morey I'd laugh in their face.

I have never heard such a soft weak reason to look for leverage in a trade.

You continue to read what you want to read. I'm not telling anyone to do anything...I'm just pointing out that I think it's dumb to go out of your way to do something that's against your best interests. It's going to happen, there's no avoiding it, and people will pretend like they've accomplished something after they do it because....reasons.

You can relax, no one is trying to take away your Constitutional right to boo. We all now how vital that is to our fandom and how our forefathers died for those rights.

[GutUNC]

Okay I was wrong lol. Didn't see this rapid capitulation coming.

It really is wild.

This was less than 3 weeks ago

https://theathletic.com/2854156/2021/09/28/ben-simmons-believes-playing-with-joel-embiid-has-run-its-course-and-sixers-media-day-messages-fall-flat-with-him/

Specifically, Morey’s claim that “there’s a lot of hope” for a reconciliation here — paired with the inference that Simmons is the NBA’s version of the NFL’s Aaron Rodgers — was seen as laughable and out of touch.

“I watched last night a player lead their team to victory where a thousand pounds of digital ink were spilled on how much he would never play for that team again,” Morey had said of the Green Bay Packers star who led a last-second win over the San Francisco 49ers on Sunday night after looking destined for a divorce with the franchise just months ago. “Look, every situation is different, but we have a lot of optimism that we can make it work here. …Ben’s a great player, and we expect him back. We expect him to be a 76er.”

Cue the response.

“It’s total bull,” one source with knowledge of Simmons’ outlook said of Morey’s analysis.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/76ers-ben-simmons-willing-to-forfeit-33m-salary-and-sit-out-entire-season-if-not-traded-per-report/

So, how long is Simmons willing to sit out? For the entire season, according to ESPN's Ramona Shelburne, who had the following to say during an appearance on The Jump this week:

When you talk to people close to Ben, I say, okay, worst case scenario it takes all year, would he sit all year? And the answer right now is yes. Now, you can say that right now at the beginning of training camp, you can say that you're willing to sit all year if that's what it takes to get traded to a team that you feel more comfortable on. But let's see what happens when you really start missing checks, you really start missing basketball, and the league moves on without you.

We'll see if he actually plays and I assume he's not going to actually be honest when he has speak to the media, but two weeks after he said this stuff he shows up lol. Talk about a bluff they weren't willing to follow through on. At least Rodgers got his contract renegotiated out of it.

Talking about Aaron Rodgers he was booed multiple times by local fans for his holdout. I wonder how he survived and is still playing for the packers.

I googled "Aaron Rodgers booed" and other then Bears fans yesterday the only hit was about a smattering of boos at a minor league baseball game he wasn't at. To think those situations are even remotely similar is lol-worthy.

[Rastas]

Silver and the Players Union will be the Bigger Problem if the Fans can't End their fun after 2 or 3 Games.

But I will repeat - Ben won't give a S#%T about any Booing - He is not the same after All This.

[Stanford]

I assume he's not going to actually be honest when he has speak to the media

"You guys want to talk about my harmful actions this summer, but how many points did Maxey have in practice today? I shut his ass down"

[Sixerscan]

Applying additional pressure (on Morey or on Klutch) to hurry in to a deal that isn't on the Sixers optimal time table is most definitely *NOT* a positive. Sorry, I don't see that as debatable. Also not debatable imo...that there's some positive to it. "Fans get to show they're mad" is not helping anything, it's a performative gesture.

We need to buy time for teams to see that they're offseason plan was bad while we're still winning enough regular season games to avoid burying our seeding. For that to happen, we need Ben's fragile little ego to be as unbothered as possible*.

*-assuming he actually plays, which I seriously doubt

Him being booed does nothing as it relates to additional pressure on Morey players in sports get booed all the time.

As far as to whether they should that is for each individual paying customer to decide. I think we all agree it's more than justified. So you are essentially asking 20,000 customers/fans to follow some sort of machiavellian scheme good luck with that. It's gonna happen if he plays and if his handlers try to use that to their advantage honestly if I were Morey I'd laugh in their face.

I have never heard such a soft weak reason to look for leverage in a trade.

You continue to read what you want to read. I'm not telling anyone to do anything...I'm just pointing out that I think it's dumb to go out of your way to do something that's against your best interests. It's going to happen, there's no avoiding it, and people will pretend like they've accomplished something after they do it because....reasons.

You can relax, no one is trying to take away your Constitutional right to boo. We all now how vital that is to our fandom and how our forefathers died for those rights.

I tend to doubt booing will impact his trade value, unless the Sixers plan on trading the fan base along with Simmons to the new team.

In terms of "burying our seeding", given that the team was prepared to start the year without him entirely I would assume they are ready for that. Morey is looking at this long term.

[Sixerscan]

Silver and the Players Union will be the Bigger Problem if the Fans can't End their fun after 2 or 3 Games.

But I will repeat - Ben won't give a S#%T about any Booing - He is not the same after All This.

Why would the commissioner and the players union get involved over fans booing lol. Like what is Adam Silver going to ban Sixers fans from attending games? Especially if you're saying you don't think he cares about it.

[GutUNC]

Him being booed does nothing as it relates to additional pressure on Morey players in sports get booed all the time.

As far as to whether they should that is for each individual paying customer to decide. I think we all agree it's more than justified. So you are essentially asking 20,000 customers/fans to follow some sort of machiavellian scheme good luck with that. It's gonna happen if he plays and if his handlers try to use that to their advantage honestly if I were Morey I'd laugh in their face.

I have never heard such a soft weak reason to look for leverage in a trade.

You continue to read what you want to read. I'm not telling anyone to do anything...I'm just pointing out that I think it's dumb to go out of your way to do something that's against your best interests. It's going to happen, there's no avoiding it, and people will pretend like they've accomplished something after they do it because....reasons.

You can relax, no one is trying to take away your Constitutional right to boo. We all now how vital that is to our fandom and how our forefathers died for those rights.

I tend to doubt booing will impact his trade value, unless the Sixers plan on trading the fan base along with Simmons to the new team.

In terms of "burying our seeding", given that the team was prepared to start the year without him entirely I would assume they are ready for that. Morey is looking at this long term.

I would argue that a team that only has Tyrese Maxey and an injured Shake Milton at point guard to start a season, isn't really prepared as much as someone is prepared for a root canal.

[Sixersftw]

The Sixers and Redskins....sigh...what have I done to deserve this?

I've got great news. One of those teams doesn't exist anymore. You're free my guy.

[Sixerscan]

You continue to read what you want to read. I'm not telling anyone to do anything...I'm just pointing out that I think it's dumb to go out of your way to do something that's against your best interests. It's going to happen, there's no avoiding it, and people will pretend like they've accomplished something after they do it because....reasons.

You can relax, no one is trying to take away your Constitutional right to boo. We all now how vital that is to our fandom and how our forefathers died for those rights.

I tend to doubt booing will impact his trade value, unless the Sixers plan on trading the fan base along with Simmons to the new team.

In terms of "burying our seeding", given that the team was prepared to start the year without him entirely I would assume they are ready for that. Morey is looking at this long term.

I would argue that a team that only has Tyrese Maxey and an injured Shake Milton at point guard to start a season, isn't really prepared as much as someone is prepared for a root canal.

I meant they understood they weren't going to be as good as they waited for the trade. If this were a dispositive concern he would have been traded already. I don't think it makes sense that they would be ok with waiting for the trade while he doesn't play at all but somehow aren't going to be ok waiting with him playing but getting booed.

[Negrodamus]

I assume he's not going to actually be honest when he has speak to the media

"You guys want to talk about my harmful actions this summer, but how many points did Maxey have in practice today? I shut his ass down"

"I had the most 3pt assists in practice today, but you don't want to talk about that."

[NYSixersFan]

The Sixers and Redskins....sigh...what have I done to deserve this?

I've got great news. One of those teams doesn't exist anymore. You're free my guy.

The Sixers will always exist, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

[Stanford]

Does anyone know when we'll find out if he talks to the media today?

[Sixerscan]

Does anyone know when we'll find out if he talks to the media today?

Once practice is over which is usually a little after noon so pretty soon.

[Rastas]

Silver and the Players Union will be the Bigger Problem if the Fans can't End their fun after 2 or 3 Games.

But I will repeat - Ben won't give a S#%T about any Booing - He is not the same after All This.

Why would the commissioner and the players union get involved over fans booing lol. Like what is Adam Silver going to ban Sixers fans from attending games? Especially if you're saying you don't think he cares about it.

If it goes on for too long he wont like the look and could pressure the Team to make a Trade.
Nothing Nobody does is going to change the way Philly Fans Behave.

[KramerDSP]

Does any of this get aired on the local channels?

[Rastas]

Does any of this get aired on the local channels?

If only Jaden's Uncle Jerry was still doing Live Shows - I'm sure this would qualify for his Show.

[GutUNC]

I tend to doubt booing will impact his trade value, unless the Sixers plan on trading the fan base along with Simmons to the new team.

In terms of "burying our seeding", given that the team was prepared to start the year without him entirely I would assume they are ready for that. Morey is looking at this long term.

I would argue that a team that only has Tyrese Maxey and an injured Shake Milton at point guard to start a season, isn't really prepared as much as someone is prepared for a root canal.

I meant they understood they weren't going to be as good as they waited for the trade. If this were a dispositive concern he would have been traded already. I don't think it makes sense that they would be ok with waiting for the trade while he doesn't play at all but somehow aren't going to be ok waiting with him playing but getting booed.

To be clear, my concern would be more with Klutch pulling him off the floor because of "those awful fans who have hated and mistreated him since he was drafted and never gave him a chance."

[Sixerscan]

I would argue that a team that only has Tyrese Maxey and an injured Shake Milton at point guard to start a season, isn't really prepared as much as someone is prepared for a root canal.

I meant they understood they weren't going to be as good as they waited for the trade. If this were a dispositive concern he would have been traded already. I don't think it makes sense that they would be ok with waiting for the trade while he doesn't play at all but somehow aren't going to be ok waiting with him playing but getting booed.

To be clear, my concern would be more with Klutch pulling him off the floor because of "those awful fans who have hated and mistreated him since he was drafted and never gave him a chance."

Well I think that just goes back to the team being prepared for him not to play and to deal with the consequences of that.

[Negrodamus]

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