Is Carmelo Anthony the most over-rated player ever?

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Re: Is Carmelo Anthony the most over-rated player ever? 

Post#161 » by NoStatsGuy » Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:58 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:There’s no proof he “couldn’t stand Jeremy Lin’s success”. Amare said there was no beef. And Jeremy Lin himself said he had zero problems with Melo.


I know right. Just Melo showing Lin some love after haven’t seeing him for a while. No beef there. He got all ball.



what a weak try to **** on melo.

if you know melos game at all, then you know the swipe is pretty much how melo gets all his blocks. :crazy:

it requires anticipation and lin didnt put the ball up
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Re: Is Carmelo Anthony the most over-rated player ever? 

Post#162 » by The Rebel » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:06 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:
Onlytimewilltel wrote:
:lol:

Instead of 129 mil he took 124 mil? That’s the big pay cut? If he really wanted to do the smart thing he would have went to knicks as a free agent a few month later and not have them waste most of their assets to acquire him.

So yea he’s definitely money first.

Dude is super overrated and a loser in general. “Oh hey P, they want me to come off the bench! Ahaha”

Couldn’t even stand Jeremy Lin get some success and shi**ed on his contract immediately afterwards which is unheard of in the league (I can’t recall another time when a teammate complained that his teammate got paid too much after leaving).

Can’t believe Lakers signed this bum. You know they’re not winning now for sure :lol:

Was Melo the GM of the Knicks? Did he hold them to gun point and told them to trade for him now? Lmfao. The nuggets were going to trade him regardless. George Karl wanted him traded to Utah for Derrick favors.

The assets the Knicks gave up for Melo was well worth it. Who tf cares about Wilson chandler? Mozgov?? :lol:

The pay cut gave the knicks room to acquire another max player. But that doesn’t fit your narrative :lol:

There’s no proof he “couldn’t stand Jeremy Lin’s success”. Amare said there was no beef. And Jeremy Lin himself said he had zero problems with Melo.

Tbh it’s hilarious how casuals like you call him overrated when yet the great players and coaches in the league give him his flowers. The hate is strong with y’all :lol:



Nah. You got your facts wrong, mate. But that's cool... stay up on your pedestal. "causals like you..." ought to know Masai n' nem knew Melo wasn't a winner. He wasn't gonna be on that squad moving forward anyway. He got dealt to NY for a bag a beans, cause that's what he worth.



When you have to make things up to win an argument you are not winning. Masai literally talked about not wanting to trade Melo and trying to convince him to stay for the 1st 6 months of the melo drama.
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Re: Is Carmelo Anthony the most over-rated player ever? 

Post#163 » by The Rebel » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:18 pm

If anything this thread shows how underrated Melo has become.

People want to talk about his lack of success in the playoffs, yet ignore the fact that for 5 years straight the Nuggets lost a high paid starter within the 1st month of the season and still made the playoffs at times where it took 50 wins to get in. They ignore how many guys on those teams that were getting substantial meaningful minutes were not good enough to get meaningful minutes on any other teams. Guys like Greg Buckner, Eduardo Najera, Earl Boykins, Elson, and so many more couldn't get minutes with bad teams but got plenty of minutes with the Nuggets.

You want to talk about Melo's stats going down in the playoffs. Sure they did, we were starting guys like Greg Buckner, Marcus Camby, and Andre Miller, defenses could triple team Melo and there was nothing anybody else on the roster could do to make them pay. Then you add AI and they basically took turns because neither one of them was effective playing off the ball all the time.

The melo deal was made by the KNicks, Melo did not tell them who to trade, and the fact is the package they gave up wasn't the problem. The issue was that they picked up the option on Billups and then amnestied him a few weeks later. Amare getting hurt and them using the money to sign Tyson Chandler, when they could have declined the option on Billups and amnestied Amare leaving them a max contract slot open for Chris Paul who said he would meet Melo in New York at Melo's wedding.

The 2 times Melo was on a team with a non-ball dominate PG that could shoot his team made it out of the 1st round. \

Melo made a dumb choice joining the Knicks which had a long history of terrible management, he choose money over rings, but he was damn good and carried plenty of teams to the playoffs that had no right to even be there.
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Re: Is Carmelo Anthony the most over-rated player ever? 

Post#164 » by Harry Garris » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:30 pm

Melo was elite at isolation scoring and awesome in the post. It just so happened that he played in the early 2000s which was arguably the peak of NBA offenses emphasizing slow, methodical isolations and post plays in order to produce offense. Melo's skillset and the state of the league at the time lined up very well. I don't think he would have been regarded as highly if he played in a different era, but that's how it is sometimes. You have to judge guys by the context that they played in and Melo was a great player in the context of what basketball was from 2003-2013.
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Re: Is Carmelo Anthony the most over-rated player ever? 

Post#165 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:32 pm

Onlytimewilltel wrote:Of course Amari will later say he wasn’t talking about Melo. And of course Lin will publicly say there was no issues. That’s human nature my dude, not many want to be controversial publicly and will just say the nice thing and what people want to hear. It’s naive to think otherwise. Most of those married celebrities after divorce say things like “no issues, we still care for each other and the split was a mutual decision, no hard feelings, etc”. You think that’s really true also? Must be true, cause that’s what they said! :lol: common now, most people don’t want public drama and airing dirty laundry.

I mean look at George Carl lol. He was getting death threats for making the melo is a user of people comments. So yea, most folks will just avoid that and say all is good no issues.

And stop putting words in my mouth. What are you taking about me thinking George Carl is a “good coach”, and “defending him”? Never said any of those things, simply stated that he is most likely the longest tenured coach of Melo and he thinks Melo is a cancer basically.

A lot of those comments from others like the ones from Kobe talk about his scoring ability. I don’t think anyone will question that. It’s that he brought little else to the table compared to some other true superstars.

But yea, clearly you have your own opinion and that’s fine. In my personal opinion, Melo is an overrated player (compared to some other superstars). He was hyped as better than he actually was overall. And yes, he was a great scorer, no one is denying that.

You're saying Amare took shots at Melo and then back tracked because of some " no hard feelings'" excuse? :lol: Why would Amare waste his breath taking shots at him and then back tracking? That makes no sense. Notice how you also ignored the part where Melo openely said he wanted Lin back. Why would Melo want him back if he had issues with him? Hell, Melo even wished well on him when he went to Brooklyn.

I clearly said "great players and coaches" give Melo his flowers. Yet you replied with George Karl quotes as if he's a great coach. If he's not a great coach then you just wasted key strokes responding to me.

I agree we both have our own personal opinions. So I will leave it as that.
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Re: Is Carmelo Anthony the most over-rated player ever? 

Post#166 » by jokeboy86 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:24 pm

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TerryTate wrote:LOL, I just can't believe it's not butter....
Sorry what I meant to say, I can't still can't believe Melo has this many supporters.

I bet if you surveryed NBA fans from across the NBA and asked them to vote which superstar has the least amount of impact for the past 2 decades it would be Carmelo Anthony.

Hard reality for you to accept but Melo actually finished top 10 in front court votes as an all star this year. He may be hated on realgm, but he has an enormous fan base that actually give him his flowers. Yeah.. disappointing for you i know. :lol:


This is true. Melo like A.I. and Rose has a huge fanbase that will always back and defend them long after retirement. I actually would take Melo over the both of them.
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Re: Is Carmelo Anthony the most over-rated player ever? 

Post#167 » by Gus Fring » Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:09 pm

Manu was definitely a more impactful on court basketball player than Melo. Melo was a more prolific scorer but I think most teams are better with Ginobili instead, especially higher level teams.
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Re: Is Carmelo Anthony the most over-rated player ever? 

Post#168 » by JN61 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:21 pm

Harry Garris wrote:Melo was elite at isolation scoring and awesome in the post. It just so happened that he played in the early 2000s which was arguably the peak of NBA offenses emphasizing slow, methodical isolations and post plays in order to produce offense. Melo's skillset and the state of the league at the time lined up very well. I don't think he would have been regarded as highly if he played in a different era, but that's how it is sometimes. You have to judge guys by the context that they played in and Melo was a great player in the context of what basketball was from 2003-2013.

If he played earlier he would probably be regarded even higher because his first step was lethally quick and he was strong and big so less bulky players of previous era couldn't guard him. A bit like Barkley.
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Re: Is Carmelo Anthony the most over-rated player ever? 

Post#169 » by trickshot » Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:36 pm

Harry Garris wrote:Melo was elite at isolation scoring and awesome in the post. It just so happened that he played in the early 2000s which was arguably the peak of NBA offenses emphasizing slow, methodical isolations and post plays in order to produce offense. Melo's skillset and the state of the league at the time lined up very well. I don't think he would have been regarded as highly if he played in a different era, but that's how it is sometimes. You have to judge guys by the context that they played in and Melo was a great player in the context of what basketball was from 2003-2013.

we're normally on the same page not on this one. The iso era was real but it was also a choice to play that way. None of the other stars from Melo's draft class played that way, I think it was actually the guys drafted in the late 90s who took up that low iq basketball trying to be the next MJ. Melo's draft mates brought back sanity to superstar basketball with players who played with the team and committed to playing both sides. By 03 it was already easier influence among stars to play the right way. Melo was the exception among them and the banana boat crop. To be specific Iso basketball wasn't what was wrong, Lebron was also heavy iso on the 00 Cavs but there's a huge difference in the quality of his and Wade's isos.
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Re: Is Carmelo Anthony the most over-rated player ever? 

Post#170 » by johanliebert » Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:45 pm

Gus Fring wrote:Manu was definitely a more impactful on court basketball player than Melo. Melo was a more prolific scorer but I think most teams are better with Ginobili instead, especially higher level teams.

This a take i’d expect from nba Twitter smh
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Re: Is Carmelo Anthony the most over-rated player ever? 

Post#171 » by Gus Fring » Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:21 pm

johanliebert wrote:
Gus Fring wrote:Manu was definitely a more impactful on court basketball player than Melo. Melo was a more prolific scorer but I think most teams are better with Ginobili instead, especially higher level teams.

This a take i’d expect from nba Twitter smh


I mean it's not really debatable. You look at any metrics and its' pretty clear Manu was the more impactful player. Melo was never really a high impact player despite his status as a star, whereas Manu was on some extremely talented teams that were far far better with him on the floor than off. That's including when he started. In his prime Manu was regularly cracking the top 5-10 in stats like WS/48 min, RPM, VORP, PER, etc, whereas you don't see Melo up there nearly as much. This makes sense when you just watch them play and consider all of the things Manu does outside of volume scoring and everything Melo doesn't do outside of volume scoring.

I don't think people understand how good Manu was. People are saying he's a 6th man, role player, low minute guy when in reality he was at times the most impactful player on a perennial championship contender between 05-11. He was a much better and more important player than Parker and while Duncan was better and probably the most important, without Manu they'd be a pretty mediocre offensive team and be nowhere near as successful.
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Re: Is Carmelo Anthony the most over-rated player ever? 

Post#172 » by Clyde Frazier » Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:47 pm

Nope, and wherever you have nique all time, melo isn't far behind.
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Re: Is Carmello Anthony the most over-rated player ever? 

Post#173 » by madmaxmedia » Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:20 pm

NYKnickerbocker wrote:Only on Realgm, hope he’s ridiculously high lol just to see the outrage


I mean, he's basically a taller Michael Jordan!

But seriously, I don't think he can be the most over-rated player ever when he is one of the more crapped on players here. From a general standpoint, he's had some popularity but not as much as say Step Curry IMO.
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Post#174 » by Tim Kempton » Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:58 pm

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Tim Kempton wrote:Around these parts it's gotta be KG. Most people here acknowledge the fact that Melo has/had crippling weaknesses in his game.



Lol. KG was NBA MVP and DPOY. You know how many guys have done that?
Are the results much different if you draft KG on the Spurs with coach Pop and David Robinson? Then give him Manu, Parker as his wingmen?

KG's underrated because of that Minnesota franchise. Arguably has 2 or 3 titles with Boston if his knee doesn't blow out.

Back to the OP, i think Melo is one of the greatest scorers ever. Top 75 all time is probably right.


KG was a great player but a career loser who couldn't win a ring until he had Paul Pierce to shoulder the offensive load during crunchtime because KG wasn't able.

Yes, the results are MUCH different if you draft KG to the Spurs. Duncan was a much better player in '99 and the West was tough that year. KG and a diminishing Robinson aren't getting it done that year. Duncan had one of the worst supporting casts ever when the Spurs won in '03. That supporting cast is only rivaled by Dirk's 2011 Mavs, Hakeem's '94 Rockets, and Rick Barry's '75 Warriors. The Spurs don't win in '05 either because KG would get obliterated by the Pistons defense. The Spurs have a good chance in '07 even with KG. That was a strong team and the playoff run was one of the easiest they had. Duncan was better that year, but the KG downgrade likely wouldn't have been enough to cost them a title. In 2014, Duncan was still a strong player and was arguably the Finals MVP while KG might as well have been an extra on The Walking Dead. No way they win that one.

So, are the results much different if you draft KG to the Spurs? Unless you're willing to sacrifice 3 or 4 titles, the answer is a resounding YES.

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