ATL - 2021-22 Regular Season Begins

raferfenix · Post #861 » by **raferfenix** » Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:58 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:Takes him out of play for awhile in any potential Ben Simmons deal.

Yeah Indiana wouldn't proactively lock Brogdon up if they were about to trade him for Simmons.

Maybe the Pacers would structure a deal without Malcolm somehow...but this also could mean they are out on Baby Ben.

Post #862 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:27 pm

Read on Twitter

Ron Swanson · Post #863 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:32 pm

Read on Twitter

What the **** is Phoenix doing?

stellation · Post #864 » by **stellation** » Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:34 pm

Plossum wrote:Meanwhile, where’s Stelly? I’ve seen no posting from him about Dante or Gidds.

I don’t think Exum has a place in the NBA sadly. His body doesn’t seem to be up to it and I’m not sure what NBA skill he has. Good and smart defender but not sure it’s worth a roster spot for that.

Anyhoo, hope someone picks him up.

Trying a conscious "keep your hands off it" in the off season, which in this instance applied to both my overuse of technology AND I guess too much Aussie homering!

I still think Dante could fill a role on the right team, but it'd be a hard sell getting people to commit to him with his injury history. He needs to go somewhere and just try to stay healthy for a season for a chance to carve out a few more years in the NBA- I don't think it matters too much if that somewhere is Europe or the NBL. I'm sure a few GMs watched him in the Olympics and were interested, but thought "great, do it for 30 more games".

Giddey is the real deal, I caught a bit of him in junior basketball and the NBL and it was obvious he was just a genuinely gifted playmaker. One thing I love about him is he's always seemed like one of those guys who gets endearingly, overly excited when his teammates score (nerdy little fist pumps even if he wasn't involved in the play)- it's great to then see a guy like that be talented enough to handle the ball and make plays. I know it's only pre-season, but he looks to be comfortably doing the same stuff he did in the NBL with a little maturity/improvement, but against NBA (pre-season, admittedly) talent.

Josh is skinny as all hell still, but if he's inherited his father's muscle traits he'll definitely be able to fill out and take a beating in the lane- Warrick was a bruiser.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #865 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:42 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:

Read on Twitter

What the **** is Phoenix doing?

I actually think Shamet is going to be really good in their system but the optics of this with not getting Ayton done are bad.

Ole Bobby Sarver is a **** idiot and should sell the team to someone who can actually afford to own one (he's the least wealthy owner in the league by a wide margin)

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Post #866 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:51 pm

I actually don't think Phoenix has handled the Ayton situation incorrectly. I think they got a team-friendly deal with Bridges and the Shamet contract is reasonable. They can still match any Ayton deal next summer.

It's four years and $120 million for Paul that I'd be terrified over.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #867 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:56 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I actually don't think Phoenix has handled the Ayton situation incorrectly. I think they got a team-friendly deal with Bridges and the Shamet contract is reasonable. They can still match any Ayton deal next summer.

It's four years and $120 million for Paul that I'd be terrified over.

Only 2 years of that Paul deal are fully guaranteed.

Financially speaking you're right on the Ayton situation, its not like he will get more next year. It's really the optics and Sarver has earned his bad rep so situations like this it gets magnified. As I was saying the real issue is sarver is simply not wealthy enough to be an owner of an NBA team by today's standards. Sell to a billionaire who treats it like a toy.

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H2tObes · Post #868 » by **H2tObes** » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:49 pm

That Shamet deal is gross, he is an end of the bench guy on a championship team. I'd rather play Forbes

Post #869 » by **Prez** » Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:15 pm

Shamet deal is **** stupid imo, and an even worse look given the Ayton situation.

DrWood · Post #870 » by **DrWood** » Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:29 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I actually don't think Phoenix has handled the Ayton situation incorrectly. I think they got a team-friendly deal with Bridges and the Shamet contract is reasonable. They can still match any Ayton deal next summer.

It's four years and $120 million for Paul that I'd be terrified over.

I like Bridges a lot, but his contract is pretty much the going rate. He made a big jump last year, but we don't know how much of that is due to having an elite PG on the team. And he's a pretty low usage guy. He's getting the same as Brogdan, who is a larger piece of that team's offense.

Shamet is an overpay, imo. He's close to interchangeable with Bryn Forbes.

Problem is, Ayton isn't much more valuable than Bridges (if at all), but he's going to want a lot more money.

PG Graveyard · Post #871 » by **PG Graveyard** » Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:38 pm

Enjoy the process with Ben Philly

WeekapaugGroove · Post #872 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:50 pm

Kind of interesting I just took a quick look at the history of #1 overall picks and man it really hasn't been all rainbows and sunshine. There's an argument to be made that over the past 30 years only the Duncan pick was a 100% this worked out exactly how we imagined pick. A decent amount of outright busts then some obviously right picks in guys like LeBron, AD, Shaq who ended up leaving before they won it all. Kyrie is the only other guy with Duncan to win a ring on his first stint with the team who took him #1 and then that quickly went to hell.

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giannis and 1 · Post #873 » by **giannis and 1** » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:49 am

Milbucks96 wrote:
giannis and 1 wrote:
Milbucks96 wrote:The nba needs one quick. Outside of Lebron, Steph, KD, nobody else brings in the big views/ratings and those guys are all pretty old in nba years. Giannis, Luka, Jokic all seem to be more in the Duncan, Dirk, KG molds. All time great talents with legit star power but not face of the league material.

Zion like you said was on the way, bringing in some impressive numbers by himself but injuries and losing made people drop him completely.

You're crazy if you don't think Giannis is in the same tier as KD/Lebron.

I should’ve said so but I meant in terms of popularity and wasn’t factoring on court stuff at all. I just meant the nba needs to find it’s next “face” of the league. Lebron, Steph and to a smaller degree KD are carrying the league in terms of casual and non nba fan interest, and when those three aren’t involved, overall interest suffers a lot.

When it comes to pure basketball, Giannis is for sure in the same tier as KD and lebron.

When it comes to the next American in that tier, I think Tatum and Cunningham have the best chance.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #874 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:57 am

There's plenty of good marketable talent. The NBA just needs to do a better job marketing outside of a small handful of big markets.

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blazza18 · Post #875 » by **blazza18** » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:00 am

Brogdon getting an extension is pretty wild to me given he's struggled to stay healthy for the past few years.

MikeIsGood · Post #876 » by **MikeIsGood** » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:59 am

blazza18 wrote:Brogdon getting an extension is pretty wild to me given he's struggled to stay healthy for his entire career

FIFY

Post #877 » by **Prez** » Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:32 am

For face of the league type guys, the league really needs Trae to hit his ceiling because he's got everything. Strong personality, aggressive trash talker, flashy game, huge box score numbers, and an incredibly marketable rivalry (even if its a friendly rivalry) with another young superstar in Luka. If Trae can hit like peak Nash level, Trae/Luka will be a league defining rivalry for a decade+.

League also needs Embiid to stay healthy and Philly to get their **** together so Giannis/Embiid can finally meet in the playoffs.

DrWood · Post #878 » by **DrWood** » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:10 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Kind of interesting I just took a quick look at the history of #1 overall picks and man it really hasn't been all rainbows and sunshine. There's an argument to be made that over the past 30 years only the Duncan pick was a 100% this worked out exactly how we imagined pick.

so you consider LeBron James was a failure?

Post #879 » by **MickeyDavis** » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:08 pm

Silver said the NBA's investigation into possible tampering by the Chicago Bulls in their sign-and-trade deal with the New Orleans Pelicans for Lonzo Ball and the Miami Heat in their sign-and-trade deal with the Toronto Raptors for Kyle Lowry was "ongoing." He declined to give a timeline for when that investigation would be completed.

"From a league standpoint, we're just trying to create a level playing field," Silver said. "We tried to reset two years ago and make that absolutely clear to our teams, that going forward, to the extent we could, we would be strictly enforcing these rules, and that's what we're dealing with right now."

GoldenAntlers · Post #880 » by **GoldenAntlers** » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:34 pm

DrWood wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Kind of interesting I just took a quick look at the history of #1 overall picks and man it really hasn't been all rainbows and sunshine. There's an argument to be made that over the past 30 years only the Duncan pick was a 100% this worked out exactly how we imagined pick.

so you consider LeBron James was a failure?

No, his point is that few #1's win a ring for the team that drafted them and that LeBron did, but only after leaving and winning elsewhere first.

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