Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game

[EricAnderson]

The alternative is that they give up his entire prime. They hvae no choice but to get value end waste the next 4 years. Taken 50 cents on the dollar or less is game over. So yes it's better to waste this year than the next 4. Embiid isn't dumb.

Except they want way too much value. Philly has zero leverage here lol

Philly has 3 years to trade him. Does Ben really want to do this for 3 years and ruin his name for 3 years? Sorry they have all the leverage. He doesn't get paid if they suspend him either.

Philly doesn’t have 3 years to trade him and call his bluff. He’s clearly done with them.

What Morey is trying to do is wait out this year to see if Dame becomes available

The problem with that is 1. What if Dame does not get traded?

And 2 what if the Blazers trade Dame but want to rebuild? Simmons would be of no interest to them.

They have to try to maximize Embiids prime because with his injury history size etc he’s not a guy who’s gonna have a very long career you have to look at it if you’re the Sixers like these next few years are Embiids prime that you have to try to go all in to win.

[Duke4life831]

I think Morey was simply thinking: "If we can make it two months (Dec-15), then there will be more teams available to trade for him due to the ability of FA's to be traded as well as teams hanging on to premium assets (Lillard/Beal) being more open to a trade due to a slow start."
I totally get why he trade to drag it across the finish line, but it aint going well.

Hes not getting Lillard or Beal.

He believed he could. He likely turned down some pretty solid offers because of that pipedream.

Ya Im very curious at the beginning of all of this, what kind of actual deals he could've made happen. When you get past all the idiotic offers that Morey was making, I bet he could've gotten something pretty solid in return. I wouldnt be shocked if he could've facilitated a 3 team deal to get Ingram in there or a player around Ingram's caliber. Ya it wouldnt be the superstar plus multiple draft picks that Morey was supposedly looking for. But right now an Ingram caliber kind of player is looking pretty damn good. Hell even if it took him giving up a draft pick alongside Simmons to get an Ingram caliber player, a move like that is looking pretty good right now. And I bet something along those lines probably could've been done if Morey took this serious.

[WarriorGM]

People having fun here but at the end of this fiasco what will happen is that in the next negotiation between the owners and players the owners will point to this as exhibit A and demand concessions from the players.

Other players aren't going to be happy—and who are they going to fault?

Simmons is in a no-win situation here.

[LoveMyRaps]

Trust the Process baby.

[HoopsterJones]

The Vince Carter maneuver.

Simmons further tanking his value to force Morey’s hand to trade him. 4D chess.

[DusterBuster]

Except they want way too much value. Philly has zero leverage here lol

Philly has 3 years to trade him. Does Ben really want to do this for 3 years and ruin his name for 3 years? Sorry they have all the leverage. He doesn't get paid if they suspend him either.

Philly doesn’t have 3 years to trade him and call his bluff. He’s clearly done with them.

What Morey is trying to do is wait out this year to see if Dame becomes available

The problem with that is 1. What if Dame does not get traded?

And 2 what if the Blazers trade Dame but want to rebuild? Simmons would be of no interest to them.

They have to try to maximize Embiids prime because with his injury history size etc he’s not a guy who’s gonna have a very long career you have to look at it if you’re the Sixers like these next few years are Embiids prime that you have to try to go all in to win.

Bingo. And with Simmons tanking his own value, using Simmons in a 3 team deal where he goes elsewhere for other assets to return to Portland doesn't make much sense either since Simmons' value will be SOOOOO far below what Dame could return in just a 2 team deal from a team that wants him.

[QingJames]

If that's the case they just won't trade him at all. They remain in no rush to have to make a move with him.

lol yea i'm sure Embiid is going to be happy with the sixers wasting a year of this prime. If simmons sits with no replacement, does anyone think the sixers are better than they were last year?

The alternative is that they give up his entire prime. They hvae no choice but to get value end waste the next 4 years. Taken 50 cents on the dollar or less is game over. So yes it's better to waste this year than the next 4. Embiid isn't dumb.

You’re right, Embiid isn’t dumb. If the Sixers keep bungling this situation and fail to put a good enough team around him, he’ll just ask out. No sense in letting his prime be ruined by diva costars and incompetent management.

[Duke4life831]

After everything this summer, this was the obvious move. Morey, Doc, and Simmons have a sit down meeting in the middle of training camp when it really became clear no way Simmons was ever going to be part of this team again.

Those 3 sit down and come to the conclusion that Simmons is officially done in Philly and Morey will be working nonstop until he moves him. And as they do this, Doc and Morey come out publicly talking up Simmons. Simmons also comes out publicly saying something along the lines of, "it was great, we talked and put everything out on the table. But at the end of the day both sides agreed that its best to move on." Philly pays Simmons to stay home and continue to say nice things publicly until the trade goes through.

Does this improve Simmons trade value? Nope. But does it put a little bandaid on it and hopefully stop some of his value from falling? Maybe. Its definitely a much better option than this crap which has completely tanked Simmons value to a whole other level.

Team tried to do this. Klutch had to force ben to reunite with Doc, Harris and Morey.

He didn't spoke, he didn't manifest anything. He also didn't answered calls after the meeting.

His behavious has been totally unreliable through all of this, he didn't told rich paul he was travelling back to Philly.

So Morey shoudlve moved him at the beginning of the offseason then. They should know Simmons pretty well by now. Almost everyone here knew the second that playoff series was done, Simmons was done in Philly as well. The writing was on the wall. But for some reason Morey was pretty much looking for an AD kind of return in a trade. Then all summer Simmons made it loud and clear he was done in Philly. Yet it got to the point where in October Doc and Morey think forcing Simmons back to the team was going to solve the situation?

Dont get me wrong Im not saying Simmons is innocent in all of this. But Morey has handled this just about as bad as any GM could've.

[Dennis Reynolds]

I love how these threads are always full of non-Sixers fans asking "Why don't they just trade him?" Why do you even care?

It's especially funny to see it coming from the board that can't stop crying about player empowerment but they have no issue with this overpaid bum trying to force his way out after stinking it up in the playoffs once AGAIN.

I hope the Sixers bury Simmons on the bench for the next 4 years but you surely won't see me crying in every thread once they trade him.

The guy has done nothing for the franchise, he's been acting like an unprofessional jerk ever since they stopped coddling him for the 1st time in 5 years and you want them to do him a favor? They probably figured if they're not gonna get anything valuable for him, they're at least gonna do it on their own terms and maybe send a message to fellow bums across the league while they're at it so stop bitching about it and enjoy the show.

[Murray_17]

Philly doesn’t have 3 years to trade him and call his bluff. He’s clearly done with them.

What Morey is trying to do is wait out this year to see if Dame becomes available

The problem with that is 1. What if Dame does not get traded?

And 2 what if the Blazers trade Dame but want to rebuild? Simmons would be of no interest to them.

They have to try to maximize Embiids prime because with his injury history size etc he’s not a guy who’s gonna have a very long career you have to look at it if you’re the Sixers like these next few years are Embiids prime that you have to try to go all in to win.

He doesn't have to wait for Lillard or Beal.

Again, some teams like the Kings or the Wolves are not including players Morey wants on the deal. But is gonna that change when some of those teams start to lose and underperform?

I think is wise to wait and see if that happens.

[Noodlesoop]

I mean practicing with your phone in your pocket shows you aren't taking things all that seriously. Good on the team for continuing to enforce rules just like they would with anyone else.

In Simmons’ defence (not that he’s willing to play any), Stein walked that story back and said he had his jersey in his pocket, not his phone.

However, the writing is still very clearly on the wall and all parties need to move on asap before this gets even more toxic.

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[LofJ]

Trust the Process baby.

Someone legit needs to ask Iverson what he thinks about Simmons. I'd be interested in hearing what he has to say.

[dhsilv2]

Except they want way too much value. Philly has zero leverage here lol

Philly has 3 years to trade him. Does Ben really want to do this for 3 years and ruin his name for 3 years? Sorry they have all the leverage. He doesn't get paid if they suspend him either.

I don't think the Sixers want today to repeat itself for 3 years much more than Simmons does. They do have leverage over him but I am a lot less sanguine than you that they're going to be nonchalant about putting up with this media circus for three years.

Given they're fining him...I'm sure they don't want to put up with this. They'd like him to be professional, do his job, and they'll move him when the opportunity comes. But you simply can't ask out of a deal with 4 years left on it.

on top of this....there's a good chance Silver has been on the phone with the owners and wants them to put their foot down here as well.

[dribble1614]

Bigger bum - Simmons vs Kyrie?

[dhsilv2]

To the "he signed the contract" people. Do you get it now? You can't force a person to play basketball for you. And why would you want to. I thought Simmons was doing them a favor by staying away. Why drag this circus into your building? Should have moved off him this summer. Now it's nickels on the dollar at best. If there was a way for the team to win one of these ugly superstar divorce scenarios a smarter front office would have already figured it out.

I think most of us are hoping this leads to the league changing the rules on these contracts and/or the league suspends him. And it seems the league is working on this and looking into having massive penalties for this stuff going forward.

[Takingbaconback]

I don't know why he's doing this. It's less likely he will be traded now. He isn't Jimmy Butler, the dude has major flaws in his game to begin with that makes any team hesitant to send off legitimate value. Simmons should just apologize and start balling out.

Philly is also insane to think theyll get Beal or Lillard for Simmons in the first place. They should set their sights lower. Really should have taken Brogdon + player (not injury plagued LeVert) + bunch of assets. I thought Brogdon was perfect for them.

[whitehops]

so philly is taking the "suspend him until he acts professional" approach now that they've realized they're going to get nowhere near the compensation they want in a trade.

it's in no way going to repair their relationship with simmons, but they can keep suspending simmons until he starts trying because he's eventually going to want that money. maybe philly is just doing it as a warning like they're saying "okay you can't dog it THAT much" but i hope they realize they have four more years of this and simmons' trade value isn't going up any time soon.

[Impuniti]

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8 pages of fans thinking this is worthy of a games suspension, in this situation? Right now, if im the sixers, I want to increase his trade value. I do that in public eyes, not during practice drills when nobody can see.

This is so confusing. Darryl Morey doesnt understand how modern human leadership work. Frankly questioning how Doc got away with it all these years, but he's always been good at hiring the right personnel behind him, and having his teams buy in. He's awful when his teams don't (i guess its why he leaves whenever he gets the chance).

If 1 player doesn't respect the court, it all breaks down. They can't keep SImmons acting like a fool in practice/games because it will demotivate everyone.

[Mamba Mentality]

How about a Simmons for D Lo swap? On face value both teams win. Sixers get as good of value as they're going to get for Simmons and can still compete in the East. Minny gets a point forward who compliments Antman and KAT. Would also allow Simmons to play to his strengths. Idk just spitballing, figure a trade is imminent in the coming days.

[bbalnation]

I mean practicing with your phone in your pocket shows you aren't taking things all that seriously. Good on the team for continuing to enforce rules just like they would with anyone else.

In Simmons’ defence (not that he’s willing to play any), Stein walked that story back and said he had his jersey in his pocket, not his phone.

However, the writing is still very clearly on the wall and all parties need to move on asap before this gets even more toxic.

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Unreal. Nba journalism and us as fans.

A lot of misdirected anger, jealousy and rage thrown at one man.