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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#441 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:11 am

Pacers Forever wrote:I’m wondering Scoot about if Duarte will be doing the cutting and moving that Doug did and Justin doing the spot up 3 balls ? I just haven’t noticed Justin moving as much but maybe I missed seeing that part of his game. I just recall Justin behind the 3 line stroking it.

I sure hope the Pacers develop 3 point accuracy this year because it just feels like they’re a bit deficient there. I miss the days of having a knock down long range shooter like Reggie and Billy Keller.

I know it’s a lot to ask of a rookie but I hope Duarte can become that Mr. Automatic :lol:


Based on the preseason before his ankle sprain, Justin was running all over the place offensively, and largely running much the same skillset that Doug did in Indy. Obviously, just pre-season, but it sure seemed like they basically told Justin to run like crazy like Doug did and just imitate Doug, which I think he can do pretty well.

Otherwise, Reggie was a career 39.5% shooter from 3. Last year, Oshae, Lamb, and Martin bested that, while Brogdon and Justin were within 1% of that each, respectively. As a team, we were largely middle of the pack at 17th in 3 point percentage. I don't think we're too far off from where we want to be. Hopefully, under new coaching this year, we can get not just a high volume of 3 point attempts, but a high volume of good 3 point attempts.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#442 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:41 pm

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Unless something quietly happened yesterday without being reported, this would naturally be true. I’m guessing Scott is reporting that nothing happened quietly. Kelan agreed to keep pushing back twice, and it paid off for him as Indy turned out to really need him with the Warren, Sumner, and Levert injuries.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#443 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:43 pm

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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#444 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:04 pm

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Unless something quietly happened yesterday without being reported, this would naturally be true. I’m guessing Scott is reporting that nothing happened quietly. Kelan agreed to keep pushing back twice, and it paid off for him as Indy turned out to really need him with the Warren, Sumner, and Levert injuries.


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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#445 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:57 pm

Only 2 more days to decide on rookie options like Goga. Weird it hasn’t been decided yet.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#446 » by Wizop » Thu Dec 2, 2021 5:23 pm

There was a time when I would've posted something on the trade forum but I think I'm done there at least until we're near the deadline and rumors start circling. Pritchard and Carlisle keep saying positive things about LeVert. I'm not at the trade him for a wet bag of noodles stage, but if we could trade him for a 6'4" McConnell clone, we'd be a lot better. If we keep playing as we have been though, we may be able to get a lottery quality point guard.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#447 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Dec 2, 2021 6:07 pm

Wizop wrote:There was a time when I would've posted something on the trade forum but I think I'm done there at least until we're near the deadline and rumors start circling. Pritchard and Carlisle keep saying positive things about LeVert. I'm not at the trade him for a wet bag of noodles stage, but if we could trade him for a 6'4" McConnell clone, we'd be a lot better. If we keep playing as we have been though, we may be able to get a lottery quality point guard.


I think if you could somehow turn Levert into Fred VanVleet (hint: you can't reasonably do so), you'd solve a lot for this team. A whole lot.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#448 » by Topofthekey » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:34 pm

Maybe they can try to trade LeVert for Rubio. I think that improves the team by a lot

But the real question is, if Duarte is the long term 2, and it looks like he is, then what happens with Brogdon?

Is Brogdon the long term 1 to pair with Duarte? If not then who is the long term 1? What kind of player are we looking for? Do we just go into the draft and try to draft someone? Or is there someone we should target in a trade?
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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#449 » by Tom White » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:44 pm

Topofthekey wrote:then what happens with Brogdon?


Probably an unpopular opinion, but I couldn't give a rodent's hind quarter about Brogdon.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#450 » by Wizop » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:46 pm

Topofthekey wrote:Maybe they can try to trade LeVert for Rubio. I think that improves the team by a lot


Cleveland is contending. How about Dragic in Toronto?
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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#451 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:52 pm

Topofthekey wrote:Maybe they can try to trade LeVert for Rubio. I think that improves the team by a lot


Especially if McConnell is out awhile.
But the real question is, if Duarte is the long term 2, and it looks like he is, then what happens with Brogdon?


I don't see a terrible issue playing the 2 together. Just depends on who the SF is with them, probably.
Is Brogdon the long term 1 to pair with Duarte? If not then who is the long term 1? What kind of player are we looking for? Do we just go into the draft and try to draft someone? Or is there someone we should target in a trade?


I don't know and probably much too early to tell. But, Brogdon is VERY tradeable in the summer if you have to. We should definitely be looking for a PG in the draft as a long-term development guy with McConnell.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#452 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:54 pm

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Topofthekey wrote:Maybe they can try to trade LeVert for Rubio. I think that improves the team by a lot


Cleveland is contending. How about Dragic in Toronto?


I wouldn't be surprised if Cleveland falls back a bit by the trade deadline, but yeah. Though, if they wanted Levert, they likely could've gotten him in that 3 way deal when we acquired him and they got Allen.

As for Dragic, he might be able to chew up some 15 minutes a night if he's willing (and he might not be for a non-championship contender as I think this may be his last NBA run). But, if you're ok with just dumping the last year of Levert's deal, that may not be a terrible swap either.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#453 » by Wizop » Thu Dec 2, 2021 10:01 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:As for Dragic, he might be able to chew up some 15 minutes a night if he's willing (and he might not be for a non-championship contender as I think this may be his last NBA run). But, if you're ok with just dumping the last year of Levert's deal, that may not be a terrible swap either.


OG is out in Toronto and they may need a wing. TJ is out here and we could use a point guard. of course, this assumes that management is as down on LeVert as the fans are. I'd still want to draft a point guard but Dragic expires so we can still do that.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#454 » by pacers33granger » Fri Dec 3, 2021 12:18 am

The problem with Brogdon is that the team thus far has made him the face of the franchise when he's a 3rd option on a true contender. The optimist in me says the team gave him the extension to ensure they have a really good player locked in at a known rate for 4 years to help ease ownership's hesitancy to take on a big money deal attached to a better player. But the pessimist in me says that they gave him the extension to lock in the guy they want leading and consider him a top PG.

Lately I lean pessimist on that point. It's quite disappointing on many levels, possibly none more than the fact that we as fans have somewhat soured on him in large part due to the status he's been given by the team.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#455 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Dec 3, 2021 12:26 am

pacers33granger wrote:The problem with Brogdon is that the team thus far has made him the face of the franchise when he's a 3rd option on a true contender. The optimist in me says the team gave him the extension to ensure they have a really good player locked in at a known rate for 4 years to help ease ownership's hesitancy to take on a big money deal attached to a better player. But the pessimist in me says that they gave him the extension to lock in the guy they want leading and consider him a top PG.

Lately I lean pessimist on that point. It's quite disappointing on many levels, possibly none more than the fact that we as fans have somewhat soured on him in large part due to the status he's been given by the team.


Based on the advertising and Pacers produced stuff, I think they see Sabonis as the face of the franchise. I'd lean toward Brogdon just being a really good player locked in at a pretty good price long term. Even if he ends up not a fit here, he has value in trade.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#456 » by Wizop » Fri Dec 3, 2021 12:40 am

Brogdon has been our leading scorer. But McConnell and Sabonis are better at getting shots for others. LeVert is worse. I think our best hope is that he can respond to coaching.

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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#457 » by Pacers Forever » Fri Dec 3, 2021 11:35 am

My hope is that they jettison LeVert this season recouping a useful player. I also hope Warren comes back soon so they can determine his future with the team. I feel like the Pacers like Warren going forward if he’s healthy and close to bubble TJ. That would make it easier to part with Brogdon.

By next year’s season beginning I hope that Brogdon has been traded for an equally high quality player that fits better than Brogdon currently does.

Duarte is a very good rookie.

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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#458 » by Wizop » Fri Dec 3, 2021 3:09 pm

Pacers Forever wrote:My hope is that they jettison LeVert this season recouping a useful player. ...By next year’s season beginning I hope that Brogdon has been traded for an equally high quality player that fits better than Brogdon currently does.


If we jettison LeVert, I don't see why we need to move Brogdon. The issue to me is neither one is a distributor and I like Brogdon much more than LeVert.

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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#459 » by boomershadow » Fri Dec 3, 2021 9:48 pm

I do feel like we need a point guard or a ball dominant player at another position. We were seeing if Sabonis, Brogdon, and Levert could sort of fill that role by commitee this season. I had high hopes for that experiment but I don't see it working.

The ones that want to trade for Ben Simmons have the right idea with on court stuff. I don't like his off the court persona or the the trade antics he is instigating right now. But the on court ball handler is something we need I think.
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Re: 2021 Free Agency & Off-season 

Post#460 » by Pacers Forever » Fri Dec 3, 2021 10:34 pm

Wizop wrote:
Pacers Forever wrote:My hope is that they jettison LeVert this season recouping a useful player. ...By next year’s season beginning I hope that Brogdon has been traded for an equally high quality player that fits better than Brogdon currently does.


If we jettison LeVert, I don't see why we need to move Brogdon. The issue to me is neither one is a distributor and I like Brogdon much more than LeVert.

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I just don’t like Brogdon’s point guard capability and think he fits better at the shooting guard position. Of course it’s gonna be occupied by Duarte unless you trade Duarte which I don’t think happens. Will Duarte develop into a point guard? I don’t know but doubt it.

I’d love if we could get a point guard that can run the offense first, drive on his own like Brogdon, play solid defense, and scoring capabilities better than McConnell lastly.

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