Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[Eyeamok]

You know a few years ago when Jimmy Butler was running wild in Minnesota. The 76ers were that team that thought they could make it work with Jimmy. There will be teams that feel the same way and will make a good offer for Ben. Management just has to be patient. I mean as long as we make the playoffs with a healthy Embiid and what we they get for Ben the 76ers should be a team to be feared.

Jimmy got traded for Dario, Cov and a pick that didn't matter IIRC.

Thats about what I expect for Ben right now and for the foreseeable future. Like the only star to be traded for now is Kyrie, who I love but probably wouldn't want to hitch my wagon to with his own....unique flair lol. It feels like its going to take another disgruntled star to tank his own value...and most of those guys probably have destinations in mind that aren't here and aren't on 4 year deals so they'll have more leverage. This whole situation is buns rn.

Personally I have no clue what is the right decision either. The spiteful version of me would simply let Ben rot. But that has farther reaching consequences with agents (unless the other agents want to **** over Klutch and their power I guess) as I am sure the PA would have to get involved then. The wussy version of me would just take the best deal asap and get it over with. The "smart" thing to do is probably wait for the December deadline of sorts when FAs can be moved again and see if someone is desperate but that is just as risky as we could be one of those desperate broken teams. This team cannot afford to get off to a poor start and considering we are relying on young guys to pick up the slack for a flawed but still all star level dude...that is a lot to ask.

I've said it in the past if I didn't have any rooting interest in this god forsaken team this would be super interesting to see how it plays out. It is a divergence point of sorts for the franchise. Its also probably the last real move we can make before having to take a step back to get off of Tobias' contract. We get this right and then we look back on this and mythicize it. We get it wrong and thats pretty much a wrap and return to either the process 2.0 or return to Dougie Ball on the treadmill. People have been preemptively getting on Morey for his job so far...but this is where he makes his money. Navigating a weird situation is what makes a good GM. Don't think I'd make the right one here but I'll be first in line with my stones to throw lol.

Nice post. You know it was Wolves that made that trade so there is that. And after that trade I don't believe they have sniffed the playoffs. After getting their in 2018 after a 14-year playoff drought. Morey has an MVP candidate on his team. He has a responsibility to Joel and Philly to build the best team around him possible and I think that is what he is trying to do.

[KL78192020]

So Kyrie for Simmons anyone? If thats on the table you take it. Will not get anywhere near a good player ever. Go all in to win this year.

This can't happen. Per reports, Simmons isn't vaccinated so the Nets would run into the same problem that they have with Kyrie.

He traveled to the UK when it required proof of vaccination. So either he provided FALSE INFORMATION then, or he's deliberately not revealing his vaccination status to further hinder the Sixers.

Yea I mean his dream destination is Cali I'm sure he would be vaxxed. If the Nets are on board thats the best option at this point.

[Damienfan]

Honestly, what has changed, am I missing something?

1. Ben/Klutch say/do something to avoid being with the team.
2. Ben/Klutch think they will still get paid while doing the thing in 1.
3. Ben/Klutch find out they won't get paid doing the thing in 1.

rinse and repeat as needed

[76ers76ers]

If this attitude continues and no teams are interested, then follow the course. Fine him and drain his money. 4 years left / make his career to the the point in which league has you black balled. Wish this on no one but if you agreed on a contract, then honor it like a man. If honored professionally, then most will likely want to engage in business.

[ivysixer2000]

I've had my head in the sand on this one.

This is just too much drama. I wish it would just go away, but that's not happening.

At this point, he is hurting everyone in the league. The owners should change from all these guaranteed contracts to be like NFL. I'm sick of this situation, and the owners should have more power....if it screws the players, so be it.

BTW, F U Ben, and that will come from every player in the league with the owners change the CBA.

[KramerDSP]

My first thought was he pulled this stunt due to some type of social anxiety (think Ricky Williams), knowing that he was about an hour away from facing the Philly press for the first time.

I want to be considerate, but I really feel like “The Coward” has got to be his nickname in Philadelphia for the rest of his career. I want to see it in BKRef on his player page. That’s the price he is paying for these shenanigans.

The only star I think we *might* have a chance with is a Kyrie who could just decide to retire any day now. I don’t think any of the other teams give up their guys for Simmons after this, and honestly, if Minnesota says “look, we will give up ALL the picks and ALL the swaps”, we should run with that. That’s four firsts and four swaps to work with.

I’m also okay with making an example out of him and having him sit his ass for the entire season, or even the rest of his contract. You don’t get to dictate the terms when you have four years left and nine figures remaining.

I think we could do some damage with those picks at the deadline and get solid players back that will help with the stretch run/playoffs.

[Mik317]

this will def come up in the next CBA

Darryl stay un-intentionally making enemies lol. Agents will be pissed and then we really won't get any players then hurr durr (jk)

[rzzzzz]

My first thought was he pulled this stunt due to some type of social anxiety (think Ricky Williams), knowing that he was about an hour away from facing the Philly press for the first time.

Definite possibility. For once he can’t just let his agent leak something through friendly sources. But we can’t play up the MH angle if we still mean to trade.

[DCasey91]

Out of all of this (not surprised with how this is going with Ben, his character is what it is)

Doc is worst than expected and Harris/Embiid sneakingly got out of the firing line.

Ben was an easy target once the playoffs were done. Watched the last quarter the other day, and the series again.

Now I’m not saying victim blaming or anything like that and Ben’s camp on the whole and himself has handled this stupidly.

But for me the share should be more spread. In that perspective there is a very valid point.

But boys are boys, Ben’s a black sheep (did it to himself) now and without manning up it’ll stay that way with the group.

[KramerDSP]

Let’s say Lilliard or Beal wants out. The front runner has to be New Orleans, no? They dangle BI and their pick warchest. Only OKC has a bigger warchest (and honestly, those picks OKC has don’t seem THAT great) but Shai would have to be in there most likely to counter NO’s BI+warchest offer.

Philly, if we somehow get four firsts and four swaps from Minnesota, would at least be the strongest team on paper. If it is Lilliard, Portland would want to do right by him. “Dame, do we take the NOP package or the Philly package?.” I bet he picks Embiid over Zion and we can make the picks work.

Our warchest would be:
- phi 22 and minn 22
- best of phi or minn 23
- phi 24 and minn 24
- right to swap with Minn 25
- phi 26 and minn 26
- best of phi or Minn 27
- phi 28 and minn 28
- best of phi or minn 29

That’s eight firsts, four swaps (three of them being the right to a super swap involving more than one team’s pick), and some nice young guys. That feels like a massive package that few teams can turn down.

[zaz102]

Let’s say Lilliard or Beal wants out. The front runner has to be New Orleans, no? They dangle BI and their pick warchest. Only OKC has a bigger warchest (and honestly, those picks OKC has don’t seem THAT great) but Shai would have to be in there most likely to counter NO’s BI+warchest offer.

Philly, if we somehow get four firsts and four swaps from Minnesota, would at least be the strongest team on paper. If it is Lilliard, Portland would want to do right by him. “Dame, do we take the NOP package or the Philly package?.” I bet he picks Embiid over Zion and we can make the picks work.

Our warchest would be:
- phi 22 and minn 22
- best of phi or minn 23
- phi 24 and minn 24
- right to swap with Minn 25
- phi 26 and minn 26
- best of phi or Minn 27
- phi 28 and minn 28
- best of phi or minn 29

That’s eight firsts, four swaps (three of them being the right to a super swap involving more than one team’s pick), and some nice young guys. That feels like a massive package that few teams can turn down.

First question would be if NOP or OKC would be interested, so it's hard to say. Plus your point that it seems a lot of times a star dictates potential destinations. Otherwise, probably.

[DCasey91]

Pelicans are up sh*ts creek without a paddle. I see Ingram leaving in due time, and Zion has a short clock.

[ivysixer2000]

If Ben maintains this, he will have every player in the league hating him if it affects the CBA.

If Ben thinks its bad in Philly, image if he affects the rest of the league with his stupidity.

[TheGreenArrow]

Let’s say Lilliard or Beal wants out. The front runner has to be New Orleans, no? They dangle BI and their pick warchest. Only OKC has a bigger warchest (and honestly, those picks OKC has don’t seem THAT great) but Shai would have to be in there most likely to counter NO’s BI+warchest offer.

Philly, if we somehow get four firsts and four swaps from Minnesota, would at least be the strongest team on paper. If it is Lilliard, Portland would want to do right by him. “Dame, do we take the NOP package or the Philly package?.” I bet he picks Embiid over Zion and we can make the picks work.

Our warchest would be:
- phi 22 and minn 22
- best of phi or minn 23
- phi 24 and minn 24
- right to swap with Minn 25
- phi 26 and minn 26
- best of phi or Minn 27
- phi 28 and minn 28
- best of phi or minn 29

That’s eight firsts, four swaps (three of them being the right to a super swap involving more than one team’s pick), and some nice young guys. That feels like a massive package that few teams can turn down.

Don’t see it that ever happening…..

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[nitocobola]

this moron shouldnt get paid, that's it.

The nba is a joke. Rich paul better don't come to philly, things will get ugly really soon.

[Sportfan73]

If Ben maintains this, he will have every player in the league hating him if it affects the CBA.

If Ben thinks its bad in Philly, image if he affects the rest of the league with his stupidity.

He’s going to absolutely destroy his image and his value

[FireMorey]

Lillard and Beal aren’t going anywhere. Morey has been desperately waiting for the perfect deal, and he’s going to end up getting Andrew Wiggins.

Barring the Kings changing tune on Fox, Kyrie is your best bet.

[Ferry Avenue]

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"3. The report on defending Simmons in the half-court is well known and has been utilized effectively in recent weeks. Teams are putting smaller players on Simmons, backing off him and daring him to shoot. Simmons seems to have zero confidence in his outside shot and becomes passive when guarded this way."

Wow Just wow...Who drafted this bum ?

And that sort of half-court functioning equals a series loss in the latter rounds of the playoffs in the NBA.

[nitocobola]

The most surprising thing today isn't what transpired at 'practice'... it's how a lot of people are reacting to it like somehow they thought the Simmons/Sixers drama was over. That somehow he was back with the team, he'd practice, the season would start he'd play... He'll show up at a Sixers home game and play and get bood a ton.

Like somehow THAT'S how this was all going to play out and there wasn't still more degrees of s*** storm to play out.

what? He is on a 4 year deal max contract, of course that this **** moron should play and be a profesional.

And that's why the sixers shouldn't pay him, i don' t give a **** about what adam silver has to say about that matter.

[Sportfan73]

I know there’s 100 million reasons why not, but for the sake of Joel’s prime, it’s time to consider kyrie if he would talk extension with us