Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[DCasey91]

I'll take Ingram over Fox, but I'll happily take either.

Fox is a better positional defender so he offers two-way play that Ingram can't.

However, Ingram is a far better floor spacer and on/off threat. Also, Ingram presents a lot more mismatches because there's very few players that tall that can guard an elite shotcreator like him.

I think Ingram is a better positional defender on top (SF-PF) his length will come in handy.

I also think Ingram is a better two way player than Fox because Fox himself hasn’t shown anything to suggest he’d be a neutral defender.

Say they both max out then it’s still Neutral wing defender >> Neutral guard defender by positional value of course.

[Tomjas]

lol.

its impressive that the spiciest thing you can say about Ben is that he won't show up.

Jo's comments aren't a great look. Morey asking for the world is dumb too and bit us in the ass. Yep. And yet you constantly act like those are the bigger issues...when they aren't. Ben has 4 years left on his deal and is acting like a child right now. This specific situation has more to say about Ben than it does Morey or Jo. Constantly going "b-but they are mean toooo" is simply not the great point you think it is.

Yeah everyone involved messed this up....but one guy has a bigger role to play than you constantly act. That is in fact Ben's biggest issue...its never him...its always someone else...something else needs to change or be different. And yeah in some aspects sure....but dude has to step up eventually, no?

It’s a pointless exercise talking about Ben, his motivations, etc

He simply wants out & that’s not going to change

The relationship with Joel is broken & that’s not going to change

A trade is inevitable as it has been for months

Just sit him at home until something comes up

[Sportfan73]

Imagine thinking we will get Fox or Ingram for Simmons

100 percent this. I don’t get being resistant to kyrie at this point if you in any way want to see Joel compete for a chip during his prime

[Kobblehead]

Imagine thinking we will get Fox or Ingram for Simmons

100 percent this. I don’t get being resistant to kyrie at this point if you in any way want to see Joel compete for a chip during his prime

Kyrie went AWOL because he heard a black guy say the nword. Kyrie shut it down during the playoffs due to a twisted ankle. He doesn't want to play basketball anymore.

[Sportfan73]

Imagine thinking we will get Fox or Ingram for Simmons

100 percent this. I don’t get being resistant to kyrie at this point if you in any way want to see Joel compete for a chip during his prime

Kyrie went AWOL because he heard a black guy say the nword. Kyrie shut it down during the playoffs due to a twisted ankle. He doesn't want to play basketball anymore.

If it’s kyrie or role players what are you doing? I’ll take the **** chance 10 times out of 10

[zaz102]

Clearly the hope is that a player asks out or a team gets desperate/blows it up during the season. It doesn't really matter who we target, teams aren't going to offer anything until one of those conditions happen. Or of course the Sixers give up of course and take the best crap offer. Well see.

[Kobblehead]

Role players and picks and it's not close. Kyrie is going to be out of basketball in under two years.

[Philly2good]

Should have taken the Pacers deal imo...Ben's value is plummeting with each day.

[Bum Adebayo]

Kyrie is just a guy that speaks his mind without this political correctness BS that we have today, how can you hate that? give me Kyrie any day of the week!

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

It really doesn't matter at this point. I feel like Morey is just being one stubborn SOB and Simmons has dug in from his as well. I don't understand how we got to this point though. Ben is only showing up so that he can get paid which is just a terrible look on his part as not only a basketball player, but as a human being. You really don't get anymore outwardly selfish than Ben Simmons. He's a borderline scumbag at this point and I don't care if he ever plays another game for us. In fact, I hope his career goes right into the $hitter because I can't stand him at this point. I guess I CAN believe that he would show back up only to get paid. There isn't an ounce of man or humbleness in him. He's a spoiled little brat who's never had to be held accountable for his own actions his entire life and it shows with this crap that he's pulling. Get rid of this bum!

[Bum Adebayo]

BTW, remember guys that Simmons is under contract for 4 more years, he has no right to force a trade and just get it, it is a team decision, if the team doesn't want to trade him becuase the offers are not good enough, then there is nothing wrong with this. If the situation is what it is right now, it is only his fault by forcing a trade.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Kyrie is just a guy that speaks his mind without this political correctness BS that we have today, how can you hate that? give me Kyrie any day of the week!

Have you been living on another planet? Kyrie has pulled this nonsense EVERYWHERE he's been! Cleveland fans can't stand him, Boston fans can't stand him, and now he's turned Brooklyn fans against him. Yeah, he speak his mind, but he does WAY more than that. If he's having a bad day mentally, you can forget about him showing up for a game. That could be a game seven in the finals for all we know! The man has really got some mental issues that need to be worked out. He makes Stephon Marbury look like the sound voice of reason. Lets get real here, Kyrie is an amazing ball player and that is IT!

[zaz102]

Hypothetical:
If Sixers play very well with 3/4 shooters and Embiid, would they be more willing to trade Simmons for role players quicker or would they try to hold out longer for a star?

[Philly2good]

Morey should have pulled the trigger weeks ago...He is only going to be detrimental to the team and the season ahead. It must be a huge distraction

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

"I'm feeling some anxiety today, and the world is flatter than usual, there's also aliens in my backyard, can't play today guys, sorry, need some time off to get right?

-Kyrie Irving

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Morey should have pulled the trigger weeks ago...He is only going to be detrimental to the team and the season ahead. It must be a huge distraction

Morey is being a stubborn SOB with this because Ben is an entitled little brat who has always gotten his way. The team has catered to his needs long enough. I honestly don't blame Morey in the least with this, but the time is coming where something is going to have to give. I thought it was water under the bridge for the time being, but I guess not. I figured it would be simplified into promising to find Ben a trade while he continues to play his best in the meantime. First practice in and he's already getting kicked out. I'm done with this.

[DCasey91]

Hypothetical:
If Sixers play very well with 3/4 shooters and Embiid, would they be more willing to trade Simmons for role players quicker or would they try to hold out longer for a star?

We aren’t getting far without a premier guard or at least a consistent 25ppg scorer that can handle the load as a first option.

Basically been our problem since day dot and now more than ever with have less to play with which is unreal to think about it but it’s happened.

Look at all the prospects that have come to past and we haven’t grabbed any. In fact just keeping Bridges would make us 2/5 rather than 1/5.

Ben aside we have sh*t the bed good and proper.

[Bum Adebayo]

Morey should have pulled the trigger weeks ago...He is only going to be detrimental to the team and the season ahead. It must be a huge distraction

It is Ben's fault for forcing a trade, it is not Morey's fault. What will happen next, Embiid doing the same a month before the trade deadline because he is "tired of the roster construction" and Morey will be wrong if he doesn't hurry and trade him? why? so do we just need to accept players have all the power and can just do whatever they want even with a 4-year remaining on their contract? they can decide one day that "suddenly I don't want to play here anymore, teehee"?

[spikeslovechild]

Applying additional pressure (on Morey or on Klutch) to hurry in to a deal that isn't on the Sixers optimal time table is most definitely *NOT* a positive. Sorry, I don't see that as debatable. Also not debatable imo...that there's some positive to it. "Fans get to show they're mad" is not helping anything, it's a performative gesture.

We need to buy time for teams to see that they're offseason plan was bad while we're still winning enough regular season games to avoid burying our seeding. For that to happen, we need Ben's fragile little ego to be as unbothered as possible*.

*-assuming he actually plays, which I seriously doubt

Him being booed does nothing as it relates to additional pressure on Morey players in sports get booed all the time.

As far as to whether they should that is for each individual paying customer to decide. I think we all agree it's more than justified. So you are essentially asking 20,000 customers/fans to follow some sort of machiavellian scheme good luck with that. It's gonna happen if he plays and if his handlers try to use that to their advantage honestly if I were Morey I'd laugh in their face.

I have never heard such a soft weak reason to look for leverage in a trade.

You continue to read what you want to read. I'm not telling anyone to do anything...I'm just pointing out that I think it's dumb to go out of your way to do something that's against your best interests. It's going to happen, there's no avoiding it, and people will pretend like they've accomplished something after they do it because....reasons.

You can relax, no one is trying to take away your Constitutional right to boo. We all now how vital that is to our fandom and how our forefathers died for those rights.

I don't know what is sadder Ben's pouting or Ben stans pretending to be sixer fans who still want to protect his feelings. Him getting booed would have done nothing to his value or put pressure on Morey.

As far as Rodgers goes he was booed his first game I watched it on nfl sunday ticket it was audible. I don't need google for that. But you guys are right they are nothing comparable Rodgers holdout was for legit reasons (even though I disagreed with those reasons) Ben has yet to give a valid reason likely because he is too much of a coward to say the truth.

[Negrodamus]

Wanting to take the Pacers deal