Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game

[bisme37]

the real issue is that players can't turn down these huge extensions even if they don't want to stay and once they do, the team has them by the short and curlies. There are no "good guys" in this situation so I'm not sure why Ben gets so much more hate than the Sixers.

I've bagged on Morey, Doc and the Sixers a bunch of times for this mess. But today Ben Simmons deserves our scorn.

He wants to get traded, he knows Morey isn't going to trade him until the offers improve, and he shows up for work but carries on like a punk and refuses to actually work, which only lowers his trade value and makes his wish of being traded that much less likely. It's just the stupidest thing in the world and doesn't help anything or anyone.

[trickshot]

Agree 100%

I would want my team doing what Philly is too. Everyone saying just trade him.. he has 4 years on his contract and is bitching out of it.

Why would you pay him to sit at home when you don’t have to pay him a cent unless he honours his contract.

If Booker was doing this and the only trade offers we got were Brogdon and Levert I’d be dirty as anything to just accept the scraps.

The other fans are saying just accept the terrible deals (we have no leaks of any half decent deals even being offered) and be done with it. How is that prudent…

Because Brogdon and Levert is a fair offer for Simmons. What's going on here is philly is trying to trade a a B level player for an A+ and picks.

This. I've said it in multiple topics. If the Pacers did offer Brogdon and Levert for Simmons then Morey should have taken that deal and ran with it. Brodgon and Levert are each a more complete better player than Simmons let alone getting both of them. Now that Brogdown has his extension though he can't be traded this season. So if that deal really was there then they VERY foolishly wasted a golden trade opportunity.

Think about a Philly team with Brogdon/Levert/Joel/Harris as their top four guys with a now much deeper bench behind them. I'm actually relieved as a Hawks fan that won't happen.

I also hope for their sake they didn't turn down that offer.

[Jabroni Lames]

Biggest fail if Simmons can't be traded for the rumoured LeVert and brogdan.

Never was a fan of Morey and how he built the rockets.

Brogdan can't be traded this season due to his contract extension few days ago.

High bid on the board now is: Chris Boucher, Goran Dragic and a 3rd round pick.

Your move, Daryl.

[niQ]

So... is this going to carry on all season?

[Archerbro]

This is gonna bite philly in the ass big time. Now and most importantly in the future. No superstar will ever want to play there.
I'm fully against this player empowerement era but the way the sixers are handling this situation is plain stupid and so out of the realm of reality and very different to how the previous teams handled these diva superstars demanding out (Butler, Davis, Harden etc.).

alot players are smart and mature enough to get context, and know what simmons is doing is childish and toxic.
that being said will the next superstar understand that, remains to be seen.

[Bornstellar]

Can someone explain to me how Simmons value will go anywhere but down from here? Like I get what Philly wants, but it's clearly not going to happen. And when he starts just playing lazily in games how are you going to fine him then, because it's going to get real hard to define him being detrimental to the team at that point if he's showing up for work. I just can't understand what Philly is thinking. I can't imagine how worse of a deal we'd have taken for Leonard if SA just refused to trade him and he did this ish and made the situation even worse.

I don't think anyone is saying it will do anything else?

But I still think some smart GM is looking at this situation and saying I'm going to go make one really serious offer that isn't exactly what Philly wants, but is something they could probably live with and get this really talented guy for like 50 cents on the dollar.

Because lost in all of this is how you simply can't trade for guys like this normally. So man I'd sure love to be the team that doesn't just put some **** offer in front of Philly but tries to be the one team that makes a serious one.

That's my point, I'm (rhetorically) trying to understand what Morey is thinking

I feel like teams have been making serious offers though. The problem is that Morey wants $1.50 on the dollar for some reason I mean if LaVert and Brogdon were on the table prior to Brogdon's extension how do they not take that? That is a pretty good offer imo. Morey thinks he is somehow going to get a better player than Simmons which makes 0 sense

[Joshyjess]

So... is this going to carry on all season?

From an NBA point of view - I hope not
From a pure entertainment point of view - I hope so.

[JujitsuFlip]

An underrated factor that plays prominently in this whole thing is cultures and how our psychology makeup is shaped predominantly by cultures.

You have to factor in the differences in cultures, Ben is Aussie. Aussies seem to take pride in how "laid back" they are, which could be taken as a weakness and aloofness/ lack of engagement/ honesty in American culture. Americans on other hand value high/ honest engagement, which can easily be perceived as aggressiveness that's direct opposite of laid back in Aussie culture.

What Aussies value ("laid back"ness) is what Americans don't, and what Americans value (honest engagement) is what Aussies don't. What's valued in one culture, can easily be perceived as arrogance, ignorance, or even disrespect in another.

Ben has been in US for years so he should have acclimated to American culture. But no few years of something can replace what's hard ingrained in childhood (humans' core behavior, psychology, mindset are shaped in our first 7 years of life when our brains are still largely on dreamy theta state). Whatever's learned after the first 7 years are just layers on top/ outside of the core... but our behaviors, psychology and mindset are still largely governed by what we learned in first 7 years of our lives, what's soaked/ recorded in the core.

Ben may have learned US culture but it's just a layer outside his Aussie culture core, or people often refer to it as "social mask". During highest pressure, like when he's not producing all series, culminated by Game 7's passed up dunk, and when he felt he's attacked/ vulnerable most while wearing the mask, he had to abandon the mask and seek refuge/ safety back in his core. In other words, he's back in his Aussie culture core perceiving and processing the world and everything with it.

When you have two parties thinking of each other as arrogant, ignorant or disrespectful you have a perfect mix of toxic cocktail brewing. 

The only way for this to resolve is if Sixers organization's members, especially the ones of authority like Elton, Doc, team president, Embiid, can learn this Aussie culture, become it, and "reach out" to Ben, and only then there's a chance for Ben to trust again. 

It's a long play because obviously it's not the Sixers' fault, and their focus is elsewhere on the season. But imo this is the main psychology underlying the whole thing.

This is a really good observation. I didn't realize Ben was almost 17 by the time he moved to the United States.

[JujitsuFlip]

Biggest fail if Simmons can't be traded for the rumoured LeVert and brogdan.

Never was a fan of Morey and how he built the rockets.

Brogdan can't be traded this season due to his contract extension few days ago.

High bid on the board now is: Chris Boucher, Goran Dragic and a 3rd round pick.

Your move, Daryl.

Sheesh, NBA adding another round just for the 76ers? lol

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…. Sounds like detrimental team conduct to me

Ya that seems pretty clear cut, if true.

Not 100% clear cut. Kyle Lowry is legendary for being a sh**t disturber in practice, even going so far as to grab the ball and sit in the middle of the court like a 6-year old to stop a scrimmage. That's worse than what Simmons did today. And even Lowry is pretty lightweight compared to other stuff that players have done over the years and not gotten fined or suspended for "detrimental conduct".

When did this happen? Was Lowry trying to get out and team didn’t like the behavior. My guess is if the team had a problem with it, they could have suspended him

[XTraderXL]

Nobody here knows what was really going on behind the scenes after they were eliminated. I have a hard time believing he is acting like this just because he got criticised. Something else had to happen.

[DusterBuster]

Can someone explain to me how Simmons value will go anywhere but down from here? Like I get what Philly wants, but it's clearly not going to happen. And when he starts just playing lazily in games how are you going to fine him then, because it's going to get real hard to define him being detrimental to the team at that point if he's showing up for work. I just can't understand what Philly is thinking. I can't imagine how worse of a deal we'd have taken for Leonard if SA just refused to trade him and he did this ish and made the situation even worse.

I don't think anyone is saying it will do anything else?

But I still think some smart GM is looking at this situation and saying I'm going to go make one really serious offer that isn't exactly what Philly wants, but is something they could probably live with and get this really talented guy for like 50 cents on the dollar.

Because lost in all of this is how you simply can't trade for guys like this normally. So man I'd sure love to be the team that doesn't just put some **** offer in front of Philly but tries to be the one team that makes a serious one.

That's my point, I'm (rhetorically) trying to understand what Morey is thinking

I feel like teams have been making serious offers though. The problem is that Morey wants $1.50 on the dollar for some reason I mean if LaVert and Brogdon were on the table prior to Brogdon's extension how do they not take that? That is a pretty good offer imo. Morey thinks he is somehow going to get a better player than Simmons which makes 0 sense

For that matter, it does sounds like the Blazers made a good-faith trade offer for him as well, like CJ and a couple picks, but then then Morey countered asking for 3 times the amount of picks the Blazers offered. CJ would have been a great fit for them and a very nice complement to Embiid, plus none of the headache that Simmons was bringing. But yep, going back to Morey not accepting anything less than an All NBA talent or a teams picks from now until the end of the decade... he wanted that homerun that never materialized and now he can't even get a solid hit because he overplayed his hand so badly.

[kuclas]

Can someone explain to me how Simmons value will go anywhere but down from here? Like I get what Philly wants, but it's clearly not going to happen. And when he starts just playing lazily in games how are you going to fine him then, because it's going to get real hard to define him being detrimental to the team at that point if he's showing up for work. I just can't understand what Philly is thinking. I can't imagine how worse of a deal we'd have taken for Leonard if SA just refused to trade him and he did this ish and made the situation even worse.

I don't think anyone is saying it will do anything else?

But I still think some smart GM is looking at this situation and saying I'm going to go make one really serious offer that isn't exactly what Philly wants, but is something they could probably live with and get this really talented guy for like 50 cents on the dollar.

Because lost in all of this is how you simply can't trade for guys like this normally. So man I'd sure love to be the team that doesn't just put some **** offer in front of Philly but tries to be the one team that makes a serious one.

That's my point, I'm (rhetorically) trying to understand what Morey is thinking

I feel like teams have been making serious offers though. The problem is that Morey wants $1.50 on the dollar for some reason I mean if LaVert and Brogdon were on the table prior to Brogdon's extension how do they not take that? That is a pretty good offer imo. Morey thinks he is somehow going to get a better player than Simmons which makes 0 sense

Who knows what the offers are and who is leaking what offers. There are teams with interest in Simmons. It’s no secret. But they want Simmons for 20 cents on the dollar like Minnesota. Just ain’t happening with 4 years remaining on the contract.

Could he Simmons just sits out this entire season unpaid. Could happen. And nba draft picks known for 2022. Than guy have a clearer picture.

But it’s a dicey game Klutch and Simmons are playing. Thinking they can pull an AD and hope sixers just let Simmons sit at home and get paid. Just ain’t happening.

He’s gotta show his face in a game. He’s too much of a chicken to do this know. The ball is in klutch and Simmons court literally what they want to do. Show up. Be professional and play hard. Or sit and not get paid.

Simmons is probably seething at klutch know saying what next.

This is good stuff we are seeing. Simmons may be the next Colin kapernick. Made an example of. And for the good of the nba. These players got guarantee contacts. Do you see major league players sit and whine. No. They have guarantee contracts as well.

NFL players hold out cause their contracts are not fully guarantee. That’s why they sit out.

We are in uncharted territory here. The league needs to take back control. It’s a players league. But only up to a certain point.

As for those saying sixers will not be a free agent destination. They aren’t exactly getting why clients from klutch anyways. So why does it matter.

They cleared up max cap space in 2018 and got no one. And. That was with up and coming team. So they aren’t missing out on free agents due to Simmons fiasco.

[DusterBuster]

the real issue is that players can't turn down these huge extensions even if they don't want to stay and once they do, the team has them by the short and curlies. There are no "good guys" in this situation so I'm not sure why Ben gets so much more hate than the Sixers.

I've bagged on Morey, Doc and the Sixers a bunch of times for this mess. But today Ben Simmons deserves our scorn.

He wants to get traded, he knows Morey isn't going to trade him until the offers improve, and he shows up for work but carries on like a punk and refuses to actually work, which only lowers his trade value and makes his wish of being traded that much less likely. It's just the stupidest thing in the world and doesn't help anything or anyone.

It really is just baffling that Ben and Klutch think this is their best play... Maybe we're giving Ben too much credit and he really is this immature that he can't even see how his actions are running totally contrary to his self-interest.

Maybe in his mind he thinks that if he plays and gives his all, the team won't trade him or even look for a trade if they're having a good season... At which point, he still isn't getting what he wants, which is out of Philly?

[Jabroni Lames]

Ya that seems pretty clear cut, if true.

Not 100% clear cut. Kyle Lowry is legendary for being a sh**t disturber in practice, even going so far as to grab the ball and sit in the middle of the court like a 6-year old to stop a scrimmage. That's worse than what Simmons did today. And even Lowry is pretty lightweight compared to other stuff that players have done over the years and not gotten fined or suspended for "detrimental conduct".

When did this happen? Was Lowry trying to get out and team didn’t like the behavior. My guess is if the team had a problem with it, they could have suspended him

It was just Kyle Lowry being Kyle Lowry. And the Raptors just laughed it off, although I'm pretty sure Dwane Casey wasn't happy about it. There are lots of Lowry being disruptive in practice Raptors stories. Even Lowry himself admits he can be a pain for the coaching staff.

Main point being, there could be a pretty wide interpretation of "conduct detrimental to the team", if Simmons' camp wants to challenge the fine.

Here's the link to the story. lmao..

https://www.bardown.com/fred-vanvleet-demar-derozan-share-a-laugh-recalling-their-favourite-kyle-lowry-moment-1.1461904

[brettski]

An underrated factor that plays prominently in this whole thing is cultures and how our psychology makeup is shaped predominantly by cultures.

You have to factor in the differences in cultures, Ben is Aussie. Aussies seem to take pride in how "laid back" they are, which could be taken as a weakness and aloofness/ lack of engagement/ honesty in American culture. Americans on other hand value high/ honest engagement, which can easily be perceived as aggressiveness that's direct opposite of laid back in Aussie culture.

What Aussies value ("laid back"ness) is what Americans don't, and what Americans value (honest engagement) is what Aussies don't. What's valued in one culture, can easily be perceived as arrogance, ignorance, or even disrespect in another.

Ben has been in US for years so he should have acclimated to American culture. But no few years of something can replace what's hard ingrained in childhood (humans' core behavior, psychology, mindset are shaped in our first 7 years of life when our brains are still largely on dreamy theta state). Whatever's learned after the first 7 years are just layers on top/ outside of the core... but our behaviors, psychology and mindset are still largely governed by what we learned in first 7 years of our lives, what's soaked/ recorded in the core.

Ben may have learned US culture but it's just a layer outside his Aussie culture core, or people often refer to it as "social mask". During highest pressure, like when he's not producing all series, culminated by Game 7's passed up dunk, and when he felt he's attacked/ vulnerable most while wearing the mask, he had to abandon the mask and seek refuge/ safety back in his core. In other words, he's back in his Aussie culture core perceiving and processing the world and everything with it.

When you have two parties thinking of each other as arrogant, ignorant or disrespectful you have a perfect mix of toxic cocktail brewing. 

The only way for this to resolve is if Sixers organization's members, especially the ones of authority like Elton, Doc, team president, Embiid, can learn this Aussie culture, become it, and "reach out" to Ben, and only then there's a chance for Ben to trust again. 

It's a long play because obviously it's not the Sixers' fault, and their focus is elsewhere on the season. But imo this is the main psychology underlying the whole thing.

I dunno where you're from but you are sooo far off base on Aussie culture...

[patman66]

Daryl Morey effed this up so bad. First mistake was not coming out with a strong pro-Simmons statement right after Game 7 to counter-act anything that negative that was said by Embiid and Rivers.

In fact, he's been almost invisible throughout this whole debacle. Where is the leadership from RealGM's favorite genius GM?

The Sixers were in first place all season, brotato chip. Genius Morey is working the phones and trying to get Bendover traded. No reason to think they won't be on top this year, too

What organization would trade for Simmons now, other than for pennies on the dollar? I fully agree that Simmons has removed all doubts that he's an un-coachable, me-first jerk. But with a little more leadership early on into this debacle, Morey could have been fielding offers for all-stars & valuable draft picks instead of the low-ball deals he's been getting. Or, he could have diffused the whole thing altogether by convincing Embiid and Rivers to mea culpa & retract their statements the morning after Game 7. There's a human element to sports that Morey just doesn't seem to get.

This is on Emblid and Doc, both of them handled it badly. I agree Morey should have been on both of them to re-cant their statements publicly so that the 6ers could get value. I can understand Emblid at least, but Doc should have known better.

[bisme37]

The problem with getting a big haul for Ben Simmons is the good team are reluctant because he's shown he isn't a player who gets you over the top in the playoffs.

And the bad teams are reluctant because they don't want a problem child in their locker room with their young guys. And the bad behavior we're talking about today only amplifies those concerns.

Considering Morey thinks Ben should be worth much more in a trade than he clearly is, I honestly don't know how this ever gets resolved. I know it's a bitter pill to swallow but they need to just take the best offer available and focus on winning games with the players who want to be there imo.

[DusterBuster]

An underrated factor that plays prominently in this whole thing is cultures and how our psychology makeup is shaped predominantly by cultures.

You have to factor in the differences in cultures, Ben is Aussie. Aussies seem to take pride in how "laid back" they are, which could be taken as a weakness and aloofness/ lack of engagement/ honesty in American culture. Americans on other hand value high/ honest engagement, which can easily be perceived as aggressiveness that's direct opposite of laid back in Aussie culture.

What Aussies value ("laid back"ness) is what Americans don't, and what Americans value (honest engagement) is what Aussies don't. What's valued in one culture, can easily be perceived as arrogance, ignorance, or even disrespect in another.

Ben has been in US for years so he should have acclimated to American culture. But no few years of something can replace what's hard ingrained in childhood (humans' core behavior, psychology, mindset are shaped in our first 7 years of life when our brains are still largely on dreamy theta state). Whatever's learned after the first 7 years are just layers on top/ outside of the core... but our behaviors, psychology and mindset are still largely governed by what we learned in first 7 years of our lives, what's soaked/ recorded in the core.

Ben may have learned US culture but it's just a layer outside his Aussie culture core, or people often refer to it as "social mask". During highest pressure, like when he's not producing all series, culminated by Game 7's passed up dunk, and when he felt he's attacked/ vulnerable most while wearing the mask, he had to abandon the mask and seek refuge/ safety back in his core. In other words, he's back in his Aussie culture core perceiving and processing the world and everything with it.

When you have two parties thinking of each other as arrogant, ignorant or disrespectful you have a perfect mix of toxic cocktail brewing. 

The only way for this to resolve is if Sixers organization's members, especially the ones of authority like Elton, Doc, team president, Embiid, can learn this Aussie culture, become it, and "reach out" to Ben, and only then there's a chance for Ben to trust again. 

It's a long play because obviously it's not the Sixers' fault, and their focus is elsewhere on the season. But imo this is the main psychology underlying the whole thing.

I dunno where you're from but you are sooo far off base on Aussie culture...

Brivegas... I used to live in Brissy (fortitude valley) myself

I can speak to that myself, that's pretty off. Aussie "laidbackness" is more like Southern California laidback style for the most part (at least in certain parts of the country, coastal NSW/QLD)... but you know when someone is a hard worker. The culture US/AUS isn't THAT far off, this coming from an American who lived in Australia for a few years. No one will ever consider Patty Mills laid back the way we consider Simmons, who just plain comes off lazy as all hell.

[Billy Goat]

Simmons skipped the NCAA tournament. Charmin soft. I hope Morey lets him rot all season.