Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[TheBallsDeeper]

My takes have been pretty good.

Said getting rid of Butler for Horford was going to be a disaster
Hated the Zhaire Smith pick, wanted them to take SGA or Michael Porter Jr
Wasn't a huge fan of the Doc Rivers hire
Said Sixers would greatly regret missing out on Harden
Said Simmons while talented, Sixers will never win a title with him because his inability to shoot was too much of a detriment

Had some misses: I thought Fultz was going to be a stud. Then again who could've predicted he'd forget to shoot.
Thought the Sixers overpaid for Seth Curry

I'll throw in another, I think Springer is going to absolutely suck. Was not a fan of that pick. Not that there were a boatload of studs available at that point in the draft, but I don't like him as a player.

I was disappointed that they passed on the future great Dante Exum, and instead took an injured center, Embiid......

To balance it out - I hated taking Fultz, his HS shooting stats were terrible, and so was his College FT's. Knew he couldn't shoot, I wanted them to trade down for Donavon Mitchell or De'Anthony Melton.

[phifans]

I don’t know how people are blaming Morey. Take the Pacers deals we are in the same spot, don’t take it we are in the same spot.

He went into it with Horford and Richardson let alone Ben and Harris and less than ideal assets league wide and he came out of it better than evens with Curry ffs. He tried to trade Ben but got leveraged by an idiot owner.

Put the blame on the owners, fish rots from the head down. You aren’t winning anything with Doc as coach who blundered the whole series once you watch it back and Harris’s contract anyway.

Why hire a coach that lost his players literally the season before and severely underperformed relative to expectation with two great premier two way players it’s asinine.

Incredibly dumb on the mic too let’s not forget lol

There’s a very good reason Brown ran DHO over and over again. And then put the ball into Butlers hands afterwards.

With have half a bullet in the gun to play with that’s it.

Got to think logically here.

How would it be the same that you coming into the season with Brogdon and Levert Vs Ben Simmons who doesn't even want to show up ?

I know everyone wants to hit that home run in a deal but if nobody bites on it it's your problems not others.

If you take that deal it’s signing off on the inevitable and capping out the team on its ceiling which isn’t championship worthy.

Add to the fact the chances of all three being fit is slim to none. Levert probably has chronic injury problems to be fair with him. Backs and stress fractures is a no no.

Some sportsmen in all sports just can’t play with excess necessary weight their body just breaks down in the end.

Morey and some of U guys are waiting for a deal don't exist. All Morey did is try to fool somebody to bite on his asking price but u get what ? The only guy he fools is himself.

We don't even have a ceiling of championship worthy at the beginning with Ben Simmons so why bother u don't either after dealing him and why the hell anybody should help us achieving that if all they get is Ben Simmons ...

[zaz102]

How would it be the same that you coming into the season with Brogdon and Levert Vs Ben Simmons who doesn't even want to show up ?

I know everyone wants to hit that home run in a deal but if nobody bites on it it's your problems not others.

If you take that deal it’s signing off on the inevitable and capping out the team on its ceiling which isn’t championship worthy.

Add to the fact the chances of all three being fit is slim to none. Levert probably has chronic injury problems to be fair with him. Backs and stress fractures is a no no.

Some sportsmen in all sports just can’t play with excess necessary weight their body just breaks down in the end.

Morey and some of U guys are waiting for a deal don't exist. All Morey did is try to fool somebody to bite on his asking price but u get what ? The only guy he fools is himself.

We don't even have a ceiling of championship worthy at the beginning with Ben Simmons so why bother u don't either after dealing him and why the hell anybody should help us achieving that if all they get is Ben Simmons ...

I'm OK with holding out. IMO, I consider it a hail mary, but let's also not pretend its unusual that every year there's a star player or two that asks out.

They may not have a shot, but as long as we have prime Embiid, I'm not ready for this team to blow it up. As soon as he's cooked, we can go through the whole rebuilding process again, but honestly I'm surprised you're ready to start it now.

[phifans]

If you take that deal it’s signing off on the inevitable and capping out the team on its ceiling which isn’t championship worthy.

Add to the fact the chances of all three being fit is slim to none. Levert probably has chronic injury problems to be fair with him. Backs and stress fractures is a no no.

Some sportsmen in all sports just can’t play with excess necessary weight their body just breaks down in the end.

Morey and some of U guys are waiting for a deal don't exist. All Morey did is try to fool somebody to bite on his asking price but u get what ? The only guy he fools is himself.

We don't even have a ceiling of championship worthy at the beginning with Ben Simmons so why bother u don't either after dealing him and why the hell anybody should help us achieving that if all they get is Ben Simmons ...

I'm OK with holding out. IMO, I consider it a hail mary, but let's also not pretend its unusual that every year there's a star player or two that asks out.

They may not have a shot, but as long as we have prime Embiid, I'm not ready for this team to blow it up. As soon as he's cooked, we can go through the whole rebuilding process again, but honestly I'm surprised you're ready to start it now.

Well don't get this "no star player back = blow it up and rebuild".

And again what makes you believe there's any star player wants to come here & their team would love to trade their star for Ben Simmons ?

[Mik317]

yeah holding out for Dame feels stupid right now.

Doesn't mean you just trade him for scraps either...but there needs to be a happy medium.

[Sportfan73]

yeah holding out for Dame feels stupid right now.

Doesn't mean you just trade him for scraps either...but there needs to be a happy medium.

Yeah the holding out for superstar idea is dead to me. Better chance of getting stuff and turning it into a package + Maxey and Thybulle later. I’m all in on a sexton package now that Cleveland didn’t extend him

[zaz102]

Morey and some of U guys are waiting for a deal don't exist. All Morey did is try to fool somebody to bite on his asking price but u get what ? The only guy he fools is himself.

We don't even have a ceiling of championship worthy at the beginning with Ben Simmons so why bother u don't either after dealing him and why the hell anybody should help us achieving that if all they get is Ben Simmons ...

I'm OK with holding out. IMO, I consider it a hail mary, but let's also not pretend its unusual that every year there's a star player or two that asks out.

They may not have a shot, but as long as we have prime Embiid, I'm not ready for this team to blow it up. As soon as he's cooked, we can go through the whole rebuilding process again, but honestly I'm surprised you're ready to start it now.

Well don't get this "no star player back = blow it up and rebuild".

And again what makes you believe there's any star player wants to come here & their team would love to trade their star for Ben Simmons ?

I'm not sure it will workout which is why I said hail mary. But I would say Simmons would be one of the better players I've seen get traded for a star. Of course it would cost a ton of draft capital as well.

My opinion is that the most realistic chance at a championship is trading Simmons and picks for a star. If we don't, I think it'll be a slow decline until Embiid asks out or is cooked.

I think I'm not understanding your point. I think you're saying we can't win a championship now so why expect a player that would help win one. If you're not blowing it up, what do you think is most realistic strategy to compete for a championship?

[Kobblehead]

We can compete for a title with Embiid + supporting pieces that fit.

[FlyingArrow]

yeah holding out for Dame feels stupid right now.

Doesn't mean you just trade him for scraps either...but there needs to be a happy medium.

I think most of the rumors and trades offered by fans of other teams all come in 1-3 FRPs low. On the other hand, Morey's reported asking price is about 3 FRPs too high.

I think near the trade deadline we'll end up with Anthony Edwards, Fox, or Halliburton. Or Sexton+Love if enough picks are attached.

[downtownpie]

He wasn't playing game 1 and had to front the media today...Doc did him a solid sending him home. No media.

He is really making a mess a whole lot worse. I thought he could salvage something with the sixers before a trade but that has evaporated.

[Stanford]

We can compete for a title with Embiid + supporting pieces that fit.

I'm always surprised that you think Embiid is a championship caliber player when he has proven that he can't score late in playoff games. That seems to be the kind of guy you'd avoid.

[Kobblehead]

We can compete for a title with Embiid + supporting pieces that fit.

I'm always surprised that you think Embiid is a championship caliber player when he has proven that he can't score late in playoff games. That seems to be the kind of guy you'd avoid.

Neither could Giannis. He was a dunker's spot scrub at the end of games that mattered. Then they surrounding him with a bunch of supporting pieces that fit and they were able to break through.

[downtownpie]

We can compete for a title with Embiid + supporting pieces that fit.

I'm always surprised that you think Embiid is a championship caliber player when he has proven that he can't score late in playoff games. That seems to be the kind of guy you'd avoid.

+1. Great player but can't close out finals.

[the_process]

It's just so weird how bad this guy wants to get traded to a lottery team.

Not that weird for Ben. He doesn't like basketball. He just happens to be 6'10" and athletic. So he just wants to go somewhere and collect paychecks out of the spotlight.

He will love Minnesota or Sacramento. Or San Antonio.

[ProcessDoctor]

I'm telling y'all...take the CJ + RoCo + picks package and run. Send out Shake in the deal too.

Fox, Ingram, and LaVine will most likely not be available for Ben.


McCollum/Maxey/Springer
Green/Curry/Joe
Covington/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Harris/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey


McCollum(32)/Maxey(16)
Green(24)/Curry(24)
Covington(14)/Thybulle(20)/Korkmaz(14)
Harris(32)/Covington(16)
Embiid(32)/Drummond(16)

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I also remember saying that Allen Ray was going to be the best of that Villanova group in the NBA. Randy Foye, Lowry, Ray...I though Ray would be the best NBA player.

[Stanford]

take the CJ + RoCo + picks package and run.

link?

[ProcessDoctor]

take the CJ + RoCo + picks package and run.

link?

Screamin' A Smith is the source, so take it FWIW.

"According to my sources, they're talking about CJ McCollum," Smith said on First Take Wednesday. That's not all. In addition to McCollum, Smith also reports that former Sixers wing Robert Covington could also be in the mix. "They're talking about Robert Covington, and they're talking about a couple first-round picks."

https://www.si.com/nba/76ers/news/sixers-wont-bite-cj-mccollum-robert-covington-trade-package

I bet Portland was offering 2 FRPs and we asked for 3 plus swaps, which was reportedly turned down by Portland.

If we can get 3 FRPs without the swaps, I think you have to take it. 2 does seem a little light given both CJ and Cov are 30.

[Stanford]

Fine. I would take that deal.

Don't believe it was offered though.

[Sportfan73]

Fine. I would take that deal.

Don't believe it was offered though.

I’m starting to think nothing good at all has been offered