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Political Roundtable Part XXX

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#501 » by verbal8 » Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:07 am

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This is the second worse outcome for the GOP with Trump. The worst would be Trump saying both parties suck and I am starting a new one. Although this could be a step in that direction.

That would be frick'in awesome.

He could call it the T Party - as opposed to the Tea Party. He'd have even more ways to funnel money in to himself.


Is there anything that stops Trump from explicitly charging candidates for appearances and endorsements? I can see him having way more interest in that rather than Presidenting.

It would be funny if a Trump inspired third party killed off the GOP and then ending up being taken over by the center right, so basically looking like a GOP without Trump.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#502 » by verbal8 » Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:12 am

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Dat2U wrote:I thought Trump was the worst President of our lifetime. Many people did too. The bar was incredibly low for Biden. A 38% approval rating is telling.

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It also could be both. Afghanistan was a tough situation and the coverage in the media seemed very slanted against Biden. So I can see that pulling down Biden's numbers in the short term. The only time I can think of that foreign policy had a major effect on American politics was the "rally around the flag" effect for George W Bush.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#503 » by FAH1223 » Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:20 pm

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BERLIN—Axel Springer SE plans to eventually put Politico’s content behind a paywall and immediately boost the political-news publisher’s head count by more than 10% once the German conglomerate’s $1 billion deal to buy the company closes, expected next week.

Axel Springer Chief Executive Mathias Döpfner said in an interview he expects to hire 100 people across the company’s management and editorial staff, which currently numbers 900 in the U.S. and Europe. He also laid out tentative plans for an international push—including intentions to publish in several different languages.

Mr. Döpfner said he plans to grow Politico’s footprint both in the U.S. and overseas by introducing new industry-focused products and services and by broadening the scope of coverage. He said he expects Politico’s main news offerings, now free, to go behind a paywall in the medium term.

He also said he expects Politico staffers to adhere to Axel Springer-wide guiding principles that have raised controversy at times at its German properties—though they won’t be required to sign a written commitment to the principles like employees in Germany. The principles include support for a united Europe, Israel’s right to exist and a free-market economy, among others.

“These values are like a constitution, they apply to every employee of our company,” Mr. Döpfner said. People with a fundamental problem with any of these principles “should not work for Axel Springer, very clearly,” he said.

Mr. Döpfner said he expects Politico and Axel Springer’s other U.S. titles will embody his vision of unbiased, nonpartisan reporting, versus activist journalism, which, he said, is enhancing societal polarization in the U.S. and elsewhere.

Mr. Döpfner has led Axel Springer for almost two decades, taking over what at the time was a loss-making print publisher and turning it into a profitable, digital-first publishing giant. He has built up a personal stake in the company, owning more than 22% of its shares.


“I spent many years managing restructuring, cost-cutting, layoffs, digital transformation and creating a new corporate culture,” he said. “But now is the time to focus on growth and investment” in the U.S.

Launched in 2007, Politico reshaped Washington coverage with its blanket reporting on politics. That later paved the way for a move toward events and high-price subscription services—so-called verticals—centered on various industries.

Axel Springer owns the German newspapers Bild, Europe’s bestselling tabloid, and Die Welt, a center-right-leaning broadsheet, and currently operates in 40 countries and employs over 16,000 people across its portfolio of media and tech companies. The Politico deal, which The Wall Street Journal previously reported valued the company at about $1 billlon, rounded up a recent U.S. shopping spree. Axel Springer earlier purchased Business Insider, for about $500 million, and Morning Brew, a digital publisher that has focused largely on business.

Axel Springer is “step by step developing the U.S. into our most important market and engine of growth for digital publishing,” Mr. Döpfner said.

Axel Springer, he said, believes in anti-cyclical growth and has hired over 1,600 people during the worst period of the coronavirus pandemic. That approach, he said, will be applied to Politico and the other U.S. titles: “There will be no restructuring, no synergies, no mergers and no cost-cutting,” he said.

Axel Springer and Politico entered a joint venture in 2013 to set up Politico Europe, a Brussels-based news operation. It agreed to buy the whole European entity as part of the deal for Politico, announced in August. Politico’s newsrooms in the U.S. and Europe will remain separate, Mr. Döpfner said.

Axel Springer and Politico have said they are searching for a new chief executive for Politico. Politico founder Robert Allbritton has told staff he will stay on as long as Axel Springer wants him around, the Journal previously reported. Jan Bayer, a member of the Axel Springer executive board in charge of news media, will be in Washington on a regular basis at the beginning to help oversee the investment in Politico and support the new CEO.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#504 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:51 pm

Biden is still underwater

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

Individual polls are really noisy - you want to look at averages of polls

Reinforces what a statistical aberration Trump was. Biden's time series looks sane - he did some controversial stuff with Afghanistan and pot and immigration policy, got his agenda stuffed by two idiot Senators, is still operating on the dumb assumption that the GOP is operating in good faith, GOP suicide bombers successfully spreading COVID nationwide. Yeah. Very disappointing. And it's showing up in the numbers.

But what Trump did was SO MUCH WORSE and yet his disapproval ratings seemed to have zero correlation with how effective he was at his job.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#505 » by dckingsfan » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:53 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Biden is still underwater

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

Individual polls are really noisy - you want to look at averages of polls

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#506 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:10 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:Biden is still underwater

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

Individual polls are really noisy - you want to look at averages of polls

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Read on Twitter
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Yeah that tweet is a statistical nightmare. "For those of you who jumped to a conclusion based off of one datapoint, let's jump to the opposite conclusion based off of two more datapoints!" Yikes.

If you want to know what's going on with Biden's approval rating look at those two graphs.

FWIW Biden is still more popular than Trump, if you believe the box on the RealClearPolitics site. Although I think we've firmly established that all polls underestimate Trump's popularity.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#507 » by Pointgod » Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:16 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Biden is still underwater

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

Individual polls are really noisy - you want to look at averages of polls


If you look at those 538 polls they include garbage like Rasmussen which artificially brings down the average. At the same time the polls show that Democrats actually hold their elected leaders accountable unlike Republicans. Biden is getting blamed for things not happening that aren’t in his full control. The reason more things are getting down is because of a couple of **** in the Senate.

If you look at net favorability Biden is still way ahead of Trump which is the only comparison that makes sense in this hyper partisan era. Whereas Trump had a floor because he could literally do no wrong in the right wing ecosystem and his cult didn’t hold him responsible for anything, Biden gets only negative coverage in the right wing outlets and while he does get positive coverage in left wing outlets, the negative coverage is sensationalized. So it makes sense that his numbers would be underwater at this point mostly because of Afghanistan and the **** Senators that are holding up his agenda.

What really matters is whether or not this will impact the votes in 2022. That will be the true test of these favorability numbers.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#508 » by Kanyewest » Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:40 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
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dckingsfan wrote:Just curious - what does it tell you?

He's been a disaster. Just in a much more pleasant and professional way than Trump was.

So, he got us out of Afghanistan - okay, ugly but we are out.

He has been implementing vaccine mandates - okay, ugly but we are out.

He has been reimplementing many of the environmental rules that Trump rolled back.

He is trying to do something meaningful with regards to Climate Change.

He is talking about taxing the rich and he is stuck with a Covid economy. Meh.

That means the military industrial complex isn't happy, the fossil fuel complex isn't happy, the anti-vaxxers aren't happy, those that don't give an f about the environment aren't happy and the Wall Street guys that don't want to pay taxes are ticked off.

I am good with that.

Add to that, historically he is still above Trump & Clinton at this time in the presidencies.

Just saying...


Just to add.

I also feel that Biden's approval rating went down a fair bit among liberals for the treatment of Haitians at the border, specifically not really rolling back some of the immigration policy that Trump initiated and those photos of officers on horse back.

Also the Washington Post talked about that the support among non whites is lowered particularly how he's handled the opposition to the voting laws in Georgia.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#509 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:24 pm

I mean, part of it is tackling deliberately unpopular stuff in a non-election year. It's not a coincidence that the first thing he decided to do is get the eff out of Afghanistan. If I was POTUS I would tell my staff I am defo getting the hell out of dodge, you figure out how to do it, and the staff was like "well then let's do it FIRST"

The immigration stuff - I mean, I understand that it's way more complicated than me and Nate yelling "Racism! Jerbs!" at each other. But I expected more from Biden than shrug emojis.

And yeah. Despite having Kamala Harris as the veep I'm not feeling a strong "we need to show appreciation for the date that we came to the dance with" vibe. There needs to be more urgency on the "protecting democracy from the totalitarian theocrats by protecting the vote" front. It's literally the only thing the Dems have control over right now and they're blowing it.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#510 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:43 pm

Supreme Court is going to have to decide whether to uphold Roe v Wade in December. I think they will overturn it, which will backfire spectacularly on the Republicans, leading to a huge sweep for the dems in the midterms, who will hold on to the House and gain seats in the Senate, allowing them to overturn the filibuster, make DC a state, and pack the courts to get Roe v Wade reinstated.

This is the problem with packing the courts with partisan extremists. Roberts, I think, had the right strategy of gradually chipping away at abortion rights in a "slowly boil the frog" strategy. The new terrorists on the court are taking a "chop off the head of the hostage to strike fear into the unbelievers" strategy that is just going to end up with your leader hiding for decades in Pakistan and eventually getting assassinated by Seal Team 7.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#511 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:58 pm

On an unrelated topic, latest terrorist bombing in Afghanistan was by ISIS, who apparently hates the Taliban. Was the right strategy this whole time just to let the bad guys fight each other, like the Nazis vs. the Commies in WWII?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#512 » by TGW » Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:10 pm

The best is back.

Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#513 » by Zonkerbl » Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:46 pm

jfc

this thread is HORRIFYING

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#514 » by Wizardspride » Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:22 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#515 » by Zonkerbl » Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:32 am

FWIW...

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#516 » by verbal8 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:42 am

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Maybe Moscow Mitch's bribes are starting to pay off.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#517 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:30 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Dat2U wrote:I thought Trump was the worst President of our lifetime. Many people did too. The bar was incredibly low for Biden. A 38% approval rating is telling.

Just curious - what does it tell you?
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Dat2U wrote:I thought Trump was the worst President of our lifetime. Many people did too. The bar was incredibly low for Biden. A 38% approval rating is telling.

Just curious - what does it tell you?


He's been a disaster. Just in a much more pleasant and professional way than Trump was.
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dckingsfan wrote:Just curious - what does it tell you?

He's been a disaster. Just in a much more pleasant and professional way than Trump was.

So, he got us out of Afghanistan - okay, ugly but we are out.

He has been implementing vaccine mandates - okay, ugly but we are out.

He has been reimplementing many of the environmental rules that Trump rolled back.

He is trying to do something meaningful with regards to Climate Change.

He is talking about taxing the rich and he is stuck with a Covid economy. Meh.

That means the military industrial complex isn't happy, the fossil fuel complex isn't happy, the anti-vaxxers aren't happy, those that don't give an f about the environment aren't happy and the Wall Street guys that don't want to pay taxes are ticked off.

I am good with that.

Add to that, historically he is still above Trump & Clinton at this time in the presidencies.

Just saying...
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#518 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:31 pm

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Post#519 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:33 pm

Is our endangered American values still in print? I purchased the book and president Carter signed it at a signing event

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXX 

Post#520 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:34 pm

I know very little ...i agree with that book. Is the author, Jimmy Carter, is an old wise man

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