GT #1, Cavaliers @ Grizzlies, 20 October 2021, 8:00 PM ET

[Revenged25]

He has a -8 +/---- is 1/4 from three--- 1/3 from FT---- and has 1 assist.

Ja is -13 or somethign, is Ja bad?

Also SExotn should be higher but teh team hasn't converted on his great passing. Also what about Garlands bad drive into 4 trees that lead to a 3 on the other end?

Ive have already made the point that they have both been horrible. Including Okoro too.

Edit: hahahahaha this team lost to Desmond Bane and DeAnthony Melton. They all deserved to be traded.

Trade yourself

[El Hespiritu]

This last minute has been disgraceful.
And even ludicrous.

[Harper4Ferry?]

i thought deanthony Melton was shake milton, so I've been confused most of this game.

[Revenged25]

just to show how much pure +/- is a trash indicator of play, Ja Morant ended the game with a -6...

[El Hespiritu]

It looked like we honestly tried hard to win.

Irregularly, unconsistently and at times brainlessly but we tried hard nonetheless.

Since MEM wasn't particularly solid (Brooks is a centerpiece for them) we even had some legit chance 'til the last two minutes...

...and then everything just fell apart.


Late Pre Season...
Just trying hard is good enough for me at this stage.

[Neonblazer]

One thing I noticed was that they were playing Mobley at 4 even when Allen was out. So I guess Mobley is not going to be playing 5 even against the smaller line ups. I wonder if that means they are developing Mobley to be 4 in the future rather than 5.

[SaiCLE]

Mobley with 17/9/6/1/1 with no plays ran for him. He will have some bad games but stop doubting the kid.
He played some center tonight with lauri at the 4.

[Neonblazer]

Mobley with 17/9/6/1/1 with no plays ran for him. He will have some bad games but stop doubting the kid.
He played some center tonight with lauri at the 4.

Not on defense atleast. Lauri was playing 5 spot more than Mobley.

[Revenged25]

Garland > Ja

Garland finished with a 0 +/- while Ja had a -6 +/-

[jbk1234]

Is there any prohibition of drinking while watching the game?

I'm very sorry... I didn't mean to break any rule.

(But I'll keep on breakin' it, mark all of you)

There would be no one posting here if such a prohibition existed. We've won 20 games three seasons in a row.

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[jbk1234]

I mean it sucks to lose but Morant is also freaking good as hell and basically unguardable

I wish that were the case. He's a lot more difficult to guard with Adams setting those picks, but the Cavs are going to face a lot of *unguardable* players so long as they're starting Garland, Sexton, and Lauri.

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[jbk1234]

Garland > Ja

Garland finished with a 0 +/- while Ja had a -6 +/-

Ja does suck defensively. He's just really, really good on offense and we're starting three guys who are defensive liabilities which isn't going to work.

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[jbk1234]

I'm pretty sure that Love is washed, but if he has any chance of being a positive off the bench, he needs to post up guys like Anderson. He's still a tough guard down there.

I counted exactly one time when we got him the ball on the block.

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[Harper4Ferry?]

Things I liked
-Okoro off the bench. Much better usage of his skills to allow him to attempt to play make rather than to post up a lawn chair and watch sexland dribble.
-We got up 38 3's, shot 36.8% and it felt like 2-4 of the misses were just unlucky. 38 per game would have been 6th last year and 36.8% would have been the 15th highest percentage. Last year we were 28th in attempts and last in %. Not to mention, Wade and Windler were both DNP and both of those guys should be forced to shoot any open look they see.
-Cedi looking like a rosterable player again. Congrats to him for (hopefully) deciding to become NBA worthy again.
-Obviously Allen. Even though it's annoying he keeps wearing the same pair of 5 year old Kyrie 3's every game.

Things I hated-
-Where is the rebounding? We were getting killed by Adams. I know Adams is a tough and dirty and brutal player to deal with but we were just getting thrown around.
-JBB has to go to bat for our guys more when we're getting shafted by the refs.
-Someone needs to play some defense on the perimeter.

[Harper4Ferry?]

I'm pretty sure that Love is washed, but if he has any chance of being a positive off the bench, he needs to post up guys like Anderson. He's still a tough guard down there.

I counted exactly one time when we got him the ball on the block.

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Yeah he's gotta make people guard him down low when he's in the game, otherwise what's the point.

[JonFromVA]

What are you talking about? Sexton's been good this year being low-usage and still very efficient. Even his passing has been on point.

He has a -8 +/---- is 1/4 from three--- 1/3 from FT---- and has 1 assist.

Ja is -13 or somethign, is Ja bad?

Also SExotn should be higher but teh team hasn't converted on his great passing. Also what about Garlands bad drive into 4 trees that lead to a 3 on the other end?

+/- tells a story ... in this case, it looks to me like our intended starting lineup was pretty good together, and maybe (just maybe) JBB shouldn't have moved so quickly in to his rotations. Of course it wasn't his idea that Garland twist his ankle.

Still, if Garland didn't lead the team to a 21-5 run in the 4th quarter that brought the Cavs back in the game, well, he's -16.

It looks like the Cavs are committed to making sure DG puts up his 3's, the Memphis announcers kept mentioning that his goal was to shoot 8 of them. If he can get in to his shooting rhythm faster, we won't far so far behind to start, but by the end of the game we were so far behind there was just no other way to get back in to the game than to start firing up shots.

I thought Evan was impressive and if you look at the first games for some of the other lottery picks, his 17-9-6 was really good. I'm expecting a lot better, but he's just at the start of his career. Facing off against Jaren Jackson Jr was interesting for Evan and I thought nerfed a lot of his ability to help in the paint. JJJ won the +/- battle, but not the stat battle.

Jarret Allen had an amazing game, and showed a lot of flexibility that will make our triple tower lineup a lot easier to run.

Lauri at SF is an experiment. We'll need to give it some time to see if it has any hope, especially when we face SF's who are actually good.

[Revenged25]

He has a -8 +/---- is 1/4 from three--- 1/3 from FT---- and has 1 assist.

Ja is -13 or somethign, is Ja bad?

Also SExotn should be higher but teh team hasn't converted on his great passing. Also what about Garlands bad drive into 4 trees that lead to a 3 on the other end?

+/- tells a story ... in this case, it looks to me like our intended starting lineup was pretty good together, and maybe (just maybe) JBB shouldn't have moved so quickly in to his rotations. Of course it wasn't his idea that Garland twist his ankle.

Still, if Garland didn't lead the team to a 21-5 run in the 4th quarter that brought the Cavs back in the game, well, he's -16.

It looks like the Cavs are committed to making sure DG puts up his 3's, the Memphis announcers kept mentioning that his goal was to shoot 8 of them. If he can get in to his shooting rhythm faster, we won't far so far behind to start, but by the end of the game we were so far behind there was just no other way to get back in to the game than to start firing up shots.

I thought Evan was impressive and if you look at the first games for some of the other lottery picks, his 17-9-6 was really good. I'm expecting a lot better, but he's just at the start of his career. Facing off against Jaren Jackson Jr was interesting for Evan and I thought nerfed a lot of his ability to help in the paint. JJJ won the +/- battle, but not the stat battle.

Jarret Allen had an amazing game, and showed a lot of flexibility that will make our triple tower lineup a lot easier to run.

Lauri at SF is an experiment. We'll need to give it some time to see if it has any hope, especially when we face SF's who are actually good.

+/- is heavily influenced by what else is on the floor and game situation. I mean a player could have a negative +/- from being on the floor when the opposing team goes on a run when neither him or the man they're responsible were even close to being involved in on either end because one side goes down and drains 3s immediately while the other misses them. Then when a timeout is called to stop the momentum if the person on the other team that scored all the points for the other team goes to the bench to rest for a little and the person that had no chance to effect the game was benched but then his team goes on a run, then even if the person that replaced the person that had no chance to effect the game during the opponents run had no chance to actually contribute to his teams run, the person that was unlucky enough to be on the court during the opponents run will look at lot worse in the +/- because of it.

[jbk1234]

Ja is -13 or somethign, is Ja bad?

Also SExotn should be higher but teh team hasn't converted on his great passing. Also what about Garlands bad drive into 4 trees that lead to a 3 on the other end?

+/- tells a story ... in this case, it looks to me like our intended starting lineup was pretty good together, and maybe (just maybe) JBB shouldn't have moved so quickly in to his rotations. Of course it wasn't his idea that Garland twist his ankle.

Still, if Garland didn't lead the team to a 21-5 run in the 4th quarter that brought the Cavs back in the game, well, he's -16.

It looks like the Cavs are committed to making sure DG puts up his 3's, the Memphis announcers kept mentioning that his goal was to shoot 8 of them. If he can get in to his shooting rhythm faster, we won't far so far behind to start, but by the end of the game we were so far behind there was just no other way to get back in to the game than to start firing up shots.

I thought Evan was impressive and if you look at the first games for some of the other lottery picks, his 17-9-6 was really good. I'm expecting a lot better, but he's just at the start of his career. Facing off against Jaren Jackson Jr was interesting for Evan and I thought nerfed a lot of his ability to help in the paint. JJJ won the +/- battle, but not the stat battle.

Jarret Allen had an amazing game, and showed a lot of flexibility that will make our triple tower lineup a lot easier to run.

Lauri at SF is an experiment. We'll need to give it some time to see if it has any hope, especially when we face SF's who are actually good.

+/- is heavily influenced by what else is on the floor and game situation. I mean a player could have a negative +/- from being on the floor when the opposing team goes on a run when neither him or the man they're responsible were even close to being involved in on either end because one side goes down and drains 3s immediately while the other misses them. Then when a timeout is called to stop the momentum if the person on the other team that scored all the points for the other team goes to the bench to rest for a little and the person that had no chance to effect the game was benched but then his team goes on a run, then even if the person that replaced the person that had no chance to effect the game during the opponents run had no chance to actually contribute to his teams run, the person that was unlucky enough to be on the court during the opponents run will look at lot worse in the +/- because of it.

Neither +/-, nor BPM, nor most advanced numbers are intended to be used off of single game performances. There are too many variables. Larger sample sizes can help control for the variables and that's when they're informative. But you need at least 20 games.

[DroseReturnChi]

Lauri at SF is an experiment. We'll need to give it some time to see if it has any hope, especially when we face SF's who are actually good.

it is an experiment but hes not really better at pf or center which were all countlessly experimented before.
i admit he played awful but part of reason is he needs to play with rubio i would prefer off the bench while dnping useless love.
i guess start okoro hope he has a outside shot and play lauri 6th man 30mpg.

[toooskies]

Lauri at SF is an experiment. We'll need to give it some time to see if it has any hope, especially when we face SF's who are actually good.

it is an experiment but hes not really better at pf or center which were all countlessly experimented before.
i admit he played awful but part of reason is he needs to play with rubio i would prefer off the bench while dnping useless love.
i guess start okoro hope he has a outside shot and play lauri 6th man 30mpg.

Just about everybody needs to be playing with Rubio.