Tobias Harris Trade Thread

[Tomjas]

Gallo:
15.9ppg/11.3 FGA (that’s pretty fantastic efficiency)
Career 3PA 5.2
Career TS .592
Career 38.2% from 3 (4 seasons on 40%+ on more than league average volume even yonks ago).
FT% 87.6
FTA 5.8
.460 3PAR (46% of shots career taken from outside the three point line it’s a very very high number for his size).
.435 FTR

(For League Adjusted he’s well ahead as a bomber and as a shooter 49th this year positionally which has SF’s included in the list fwiw but 109th on playing time).

Essentially he shoots more 3’s (Harris has never had a .400 3PAR) and gets to the line more and has better shooting splits than Harris, and is one half the cost and is a better fit. Fit he was always the better offensive player. Elite for his size no questions about it.

Tobias is a good guy it’s just a horrible contract and not the correct player to put around Embiid.

This is pretty tiresome, guys. Gallo is also one of the most injury prone players in the league, he’s 33, sucks at defense and passing, and he moves like a mechanical crane these days. I’ve always thought he was under appreciated as a player but having him at $20m for another year or two doesn’t make us a better team than Tobias at $35m.

Also setting aside the obvious reasons why Gallos deal was cheaper, cool, you’ve found a player who would have been better value. Do you spend hours looking at Zillow and lamenting how someone 10 blocks from you got a better deal on their house? Or keep regretting how you bought your fridge at 25% above Amazon’s price because you really just wanted it installed and in place that weekend? The situation is imperfect but he’s been on the team for years now and there’s no simple way to improve or compelling upcoming decision about him for us to debate.

Not really I’m semi retired because of investing in property, it’s like your asking (my career is finance) a mechanic if his car is decent lol.

Embiid + Ben = 50+ wins
Embiid + Ben + Harris = 50+ wins

It was a bad investment then it’s a bad investment now.

1/3 of cap of thereabouts for zero return is bad asset management.

Addition by subtraction, Gallo is a very nice return on the deal back imo. (Better fit/better shooter/better FT man).

Your investing in Harris for offense which you shouldn’t for 40mil a year he’s actually to me worth less than Gallo because of the above point. He does offense better between the two.

If he had two way tangibility (still well overs) maybe there’s a case but it’s Tobias.

It’s like buying a boat to race on land it doesn’t work.

This

I am not enamoured with Hield as a player either but he’s probably a better fit next to Joel/Ben than Harris as well and he’s also half the price

The Tobias deal was bad business from day 1

[DCasey91]

Yep correct it was such bad business, it’s fine to make a bad deal everyone makes mistakes but if you’re going to fail, fail hard and fast, not fail more and fail for the whole duration. Intrinsically numbers don’t pick up how much more of a loss it is because the bad investment is still there after all this time.

It was such overpay that it made the contract impossible to move. We didn’t even gauge his market value we just straight up paid him like he was a superstar lol.

This has nothing to do with Harris but about his contract.

Flip the scenario to 40mil paid to a top ten player. The outcome is 2 real shots at the title for a way higher chip equity (probably would win one no doubt).

Don’t overpay middling players that’s all lol.

[Tomjas]

This is pretty tiresome, guys. Gallo is also one of the most injury prone players in the league, he’s 33, sucks at defense and passing, and he moves like a mechanical crane these days. I’ve always thought he was under appreciated as a player but having him at $20m for another year or two doesn’t make us a better team than Tobias at $35m.

Also setting aside the obvious reasons why Gallos deal was cheaper, cool, you’ve found a player who would have been better value. Do you spend hours looking at Zillow and lamenting how someone 10 blocks from you got a better deal on their house? Or keep regretting how you bought your fridge at 25% above Amazon’s price because you really just wanted it installed and in place that weekend? The situation is imperfect but he’s been on the team for years now and there’s no simple way to improve or compelling upcoming decision about him for us to debate.

Not really I’m semi retired because of investing in property, it’s like your asking (my career is finance) a mechanic if his car is decent lol.

Embiid + Ben = 50+ wins
Embiid + Ben + Harris = 50+ wins

It was a bad investment then it’s a bad investment now.

1/3 of cap of thereabouts for zero return is bad asset management.

Addition by subtraction, Gallo is a very nice return on the deal back imo. (Better fit/better shooter/better FT man).

Your investing in Harris for offense which you shouldn’t for 40mil a year he’s actually to me worth less than Gallo because of the above point. He does offense better between the two.

If he had two way tangibility (still well overs) maybe there’s a case but it’s Tobias.

It’s like buying a boat to race on land it doesn’t work.

This

I am not enamoured with Hield as a player either but he’s probably a better fit next to Joel/Ben than Harris as well and he’s also half the price

The Tobias deal was bad business from day 1

Another thing that annoys me is the prevailing belief that just because you traded assets for a player then that automatically means that you must get something in return when they move on

Acquisition costs are sunk costs & can’t always be recouped

Sometimes the best course of action is not to match and to use the resulting cap space for better fitting pieces

[Kobblehead]

Honestly, I think all we need is his shooting to return.

He's playing the best defense of his career, moving the ball at the best rate of his career, and scoring off the dribble at the best rate of his career. If he starts shooting threes again, I'd have no complaints.

[spikeslovechild]

I don't get people here who want to trade Harris. He played the best basketball of his career. He goes out there and competes he doesn't complain eventhough he seems like an afterthought as it relates to making sure he gets his touches.

I never understood the hate. He literally is my 2nd favorite player on the team next to embiid yet some here have always wanted him gone.

[zaz102]

I don't get people here who want to trade Harris. He played the best basketball of his career. He goes out there and competes he doesn't complain eventhough he seems like an afterthought as it relates to making sure he gets his touches.

I never understood the hate. He literally is my 2nd favorite player on the team next to embiid yet some here have always wanted him gone.

I get it. I think people are hoping another team overvalues him and provides a trade where they can upgrade. I personally don't think that's realistic though.

[Kolkmania]

Everybody profits from a spaced-out floor of course, however a lineup without Simmons would offer the possibility to play Harris as the PF on offense. It would probably results in less post offense and more P&Rs, drive-and-kicks since he would face a bigger defender.

[Stanford]

Everybody profits from a spaced-out floor of course, however a lineup without Simmons would offer the possibility to play Harris as the PF on offense. It would probably results in less post offense and more P&Rs, drive-and-kicks since he would face a bigger defender.

What position did he play last year?

[Kolkmania]

Everybody profits from a spaced-out floor of course, however a lineup without Simmons would offer the possibility to play Harris as the PF on offense. It would probably results in less post offense and more P&Rs, drive-and-kicks since he would face a bigger defender.

What position did he play last year?

Always tricky to assign a label, but SF seems appropriate.

Embiid played in the middle, Simmons was the PF who also roamed around the basket. So teams could defend Harris with a smaller wing, with having the lane blocked by all the big defenders of Simmons and Embiid.

[the_process]

Man, the Sixers would be way better with Harrison Barnes instead of Tobias Harris. But hey, books.

[phillynative]

Man, the Sixers would be way better with Harrison Barnes instead of Tobias Harris. But hey, books.

How? Wouldn't this leave Embiid as the only scorer on the team?

[Kobblehead]

Tobias probably doesn't even read the books. He just buys them for the Instagram photo he plans on taking with them later. He's a Bookstagram poser.

[Stanford]

He's a poser who only fake-reads non-fiction.

[Kobblehead]

He wants people to think he reads...for the implication.

[the_process]

Man, the Sixers would be way better with Harrison Barnes instead of Tobias Harris. But hey, books.

How? Wouldn't this leave Embiid as the only scorer on the team?

Two false assumptions.

One, Tobias is a scorer. Tobias created offense is trash. He's a hack. Two, you're forgetting about Maxey.

Give the big man space! Barnes shoots a a lot of threes. He may not be great defensively but he gives effort. Everybody seems to want to cheer on Tobias for doing that.

[the_process]

He wants people to think he reads...for the implication.

And it's because of that exact implication that fans all over Twitter and this site have anointed Tobias as the leader of the team.

[Negrodamus]

Here I thought it was all the voices that matter (Doc, Morey, Embiid) telling me that he's one of the leaders of the team that influenced my opinion, when actually it was Tobias's reading narrative that indoctrinated me the whole time.

[the_process]

Here I thought it was all the voices that matter (Doc, Morey, Embiid) telling me that he's one of the leaders of the team that influenced my opinion, when actually it was Tobias's reading narrative that indoctrinated me the whole time.

Morey would be partial to bookish fellows, dont'cha think?

[Kobblehead]

Tobias probably thinks Kurt Vonnegut was the lead singer for Nirvana.

[Stanford]

Tobias probably thinks Salman Rushdie is a dish that Danny ordered on Uber Eats and not a British-Indian magic realism author most famous for the novel "The Satanic Versus," for which he was issued a fatwa from the Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini, effectively sentencing the author to a life and death sentence for the crime of blasphemy, but also known for his novel "Midnight's Children," which won him the Booker in 1981 and has since been considered one of the most cherished novels of the 20th century.

I mean, the guy just doesn't know his non-fiction authors!