Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[Mik317]

I'd trade Ben for any dribbly shoot man. Move Maxey to the bench and go from there.

But not doing so won't make me lose sleep either. Honestly if we took another young guard and not Springer I'd be even more on team let him sit....and just let Young Guard and Maxey trial by fire this season. Point Kork is awesome but not realistic or fair to Kork to try it fulltime...so if Morey deserves any flack its not adding ANY guards this offseason with this looming.

[FireMorey]

Reading the thread, I think a lot of people still view Ben Simmons as the Sixers' last ditch means to acquire Embiid the co-superstar he needs to win a title. I don't think that logic is wrong. It least it wasn't wrong. Ben Simmons was that, about 9 months ago. But two things to that:

1. Morey should have thought about that when he didn't offer Maxey and 3 picks and 3 swaps(in addition to Simmons) for Harden.

2. Simmons isn't that guy anymore. He lost that kind of value. So there's really only two ways the Sixers can go. They can either admit they missed their window to acquire that co-superstar for Embiid because they really have nothing to trade for one now and no cap room and just build the best roster possible and hope they get lucky with other better teams getting injuries and stuff like that.

Or they can hope some superstar in the offseason demands to go to the Sixers in a sign and trade and exploit that angle.

But I think the reason Sixers fans are so adamant about holding on to ben is because of the former. It's painful for fans to admit that the Sixers championship window in all likelihood is done, because they have no way of trading for that superstar on the perimeter Embiid needs now. Not guaranteed, but in all likelihood. Hanging on to Ben is kind of akin to family keeping someone on life support that's brain dead hoping one day they spring back to life. Once you let go, it's over. But this is why I emotionally checked out when the Sixers missed out on Harden. I knew that was going to be their last realistic chance to get Embiid the pairing he needed to win a title realistically. And once they missed that, I realized I spent all this time watching and support the process years for nothing, but most of all, I felt for Embiid who likely will retire without a ring, unless he asks to be traded himself, because with his body his championship window is much smaller than most.

I'm not saying other people have to come to grips with that. If you want to hold out hope, hold out hope. You do you. But for me, the Sixers process championship window ended once Harden wasn't acquired, and now that I look at things just from a purely basketball perspective and taking emotion out of it, I think the next logical move is to just make the best basketball team you can and hope you get lucky. Because in this battle, Morey lost.

Sorry for the long diatribe

[Murray_17]

Brogdon has more difficulties to stay in the floor than Joel and Levert is a highly ineffcient guard in a big contract.

There is a reason the Pacers were shopping both in a package for "low value" Ben Simmons

[Mik317]

also difference maker does not equal star.

Morey will be able to flip that whenever the eventual trade happens.

so again all of this is showmanship

[zaz102]

Reading the thread, I think a lot of people still view Ben Simmons as the Sixers' last ditch means to acquire Embiid the co-superstar he needs to win a title. I don't think that logic is wrong. It least it wasn't wrong. Ben Simmons was that, about 9 months ago. But two things to that:

1. Morey should have thought about that when he didn't offer Maxey and 3 picks and 3 swaps(in addition to Simmons) for Harden.

2. Simmons isn't that guy anymore. He lost that kind of value. So there's really only two ways the Sixers can go. They can either admit they missed their window to acquire that co-superstar for Embiid because they really have nothing to trade for one now and no cap room and just build the best roster possible and hope they get lucky with other better teams getting injuries and stuff like that.

Or they can hope some superstar in the offseason demands to go to the Sixers in a sign and trade and exploit that angle.

But I think the reason Sixers fans are so adamant about holding on to ben is because of the former. It's painful for fans to admit that the Sixers championship window in all likelihood is done, because they have no way of trading for that superstar on the perimeter Embiid needs now. Not guaranteed, but in all likelihood. Hanging on to Ben is kind of akin to family keeping someone on life support that's brain dead hoping one day they spring back to life. Once you let go, it's over. But this is why I emotionally checked out when the Sixers missed out on Harden. I knew that was going to be their last realistic chance to get Embiid the pairing he needed to win a title realistically. And once they missed that, I realized I spent all this time watching and support the process years for nothing, but most of all, I felt for Embiid who likely will retire without a ring, unless he asks to be traded himself, because with his body his championship window is much smaller than most.

I'm not saying other people have to come to grips with that. If you want to hold out hope, hold out hope. You do you. But for me, the Sixers process championship window ended once Harden wasn't acquired, and now that I look at things just from a purely basketball perspective and taking emotion out of it, I think the next logical move is to just make the best basketball team you can and hope you get lucky. Because in this battle, Morey lost.

Sorry for the long diatribe

I think you're reading it a bit wrong. I think it's low probability, but why would I want the Sixers to throw in the towel until they have to. Embiid is an MVP candidate so they have something that we could spend another 10 + years trying to get. Why not give it a last ditch effort.

As for your reasons, or #1 I'm guessing he didn't expect the situation to develop this way. Obviously this is a different situation. For #2, it's possible that a star asks out (which seems 1+ happens every year) or GMs start feeling pressure with how the season develops. Simmons would probably be one of the best players offered (plus the draft capital of course).

[ConstableChaos]

Fair play to Simmons - he said he's never playing for Philly again, true to his word.

I think Embiid is the key here. If they lose 2 or 3 in a row and he starts saying something, Ben will be on the first train outta here

[FireMorey]

Reading the thread, I think a lot of people still view Ben Simmons as the Sixers' last ditch means to acquire Embiid the co-superstar he needs to win a title. I don't think that logic is wrong. It least it wasn't wrong. Ben Simmons was that, about 9 months ago. But two things to that:

1. Morey should have thought about that when he didn't offer Maxey and 3 picks and 3 swaps(in addition to Simmons) for Harden.

2. Simmons isn't that guy anymore. He lost that kind of value. So there's really only two ways the Sixers can go. They can either admit they missed their window to acquire that co-superstar for Embiid because they really have nothing to trade for one now and no cap room and just build the best roster possible and hope they get lucky with other better teams getting injuries and stuff like that.

Or they can hope some superstar in the offseason demands to go to the Sixers in a sign and trade and exploit that angle.

But I think the reason Sixers fans are so adamant about holding on to ben is because of the former. It's painful for fans to admit that the Sixers championship window in all likelihood is done, because they have no way of trading for that superstar on the perimeter Embiid needs now. Not guaranteed, but in all likelihood. Hanging on to Ben is kind of akin to family keeping someone on life support that's brain dead hoping one day they spring back to life. Once you let go, it's over. But this is why I emotionally checked out when the Sixers missed out on Harden. I knew that was going to be their last realistic chance to get Embiid the pairing he needed to win a title realistically. And once they missed that, I realized I spent all this time watching and support the process years for nothing, but most of all, I felt for Embiid who likely will retire without a ring, unless he asks to be traded himself, because with his body his championship window is much smaller than most.

I'm not saying other people have to come to grips with that. If you want to hold out hope, hold out hope. You do you. But for me, the Sixers process championship window ended once Harden wasn't acquired, and now that I look at things just from a purely basketball perspective and taking emotion out of it, I think the next logical move is to just make the best basketball team you can and hope you get lucky. Because in this battle, Morey lost.

Sorry for the long diatribe

I think you're reading it a bit wrong. I think it's low probability, but why would I want the Sixers to throw in the towel until they have to. Embiid is an MVP candidate so they have something that we could spend another 10 + years trying to get. Why not give it a last ditch effort.

As for your reasons, or #1 I'm guessing he didn't expect the situation to develop this way. Obviously this is a different situation. For #2, it's possible that a star asks out (which seems 1+ happens every year) or GMs start feeling pressure with how the season develops. Simmons would probably be one of the best players offered (plus the draft capital of course).

I think Morey’s biggest mistake is having not traded him already, not that he’s not trading him now per se. My point is the damage is already likely done. Honestly, I think they probably should trade him now, because they still might be able to get something decent that they could flip in a future package for a star. For example, Beasley and Russell, and combine that with Maxey and Thybulle and picks and you might… might be able to get a star for that. If you look at what stars typically go for, they usually aren’t traded for other stars, they’re usually traded for a haul of good but not great players.

So you have to ask yourself what are the scenarios and how likely is each? I think getting a star for Simmons but holding on to him is so unlikely and his value going through the floor is so likely, that’s it’s worth just trading him now. But my main overall gripe is that they should have traded him already. Right now we are debating getting a C package for him vs getting a D package for him. Once you get to that point, you’ve already messed it up.

[ConstableChaos]

After the ESPN report that Simmons was trying to dog game 7 v ATL came out - was the first practice after that the one he refused to participate in?

[Murray_17]

Thinking you cannot trade Ben for a star but Beasley and Russell could get you one is super amusing.

Specially when you say you're trying to be rational

[Ballerhogger]

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[zaz102]

Reading the thread, I think a lot of people still view Ben Simmons as the Sixers' last ditch means to acquire Embiid the co-superstar he needs to win a title. I don't think that logic is wrong. It least it wasn't wrong. Ben Simmons was that, about 9 months ago. But two things to that:

1. Morey should have thought about that when he didn't offer Maxey and 3 picks and 3 swaps(in addition to Simmons) for Harden.

2. Simmons isn't that guy anymore. He lost that kind of value. So there's really only two ways the Sixers can go. They can either admit they missed their window to acquire that co-superstar for Embiid because they really have nothing to trade for one now and no cap room and just build the best roster possible and hope they get lucky with other better teams getting injuries and stuff like that.

Or they can hope some superstar in the offseason demands to go to the Sixers in a sign and trade and exploit that angle.

But I think the reason Sixers fans are so adamant about holding on to ben is because of the former. It's painful for fans to admit that the Sixers championship window in all likelihood is done, because they have no way of trading for that superstar on the perimeter Embiid needs now. Not guaranteed, but in all likelihood. Hanging on to Ben is kind of akin to family keeping someone on life support that's brain dead hoping one day they spring back to life. Once you let go, it's over. But this is why I emotionally checked out when the Sixers missed out on Harden. I knew that was going to be their last realistic chance to get Embiid the pairing he needed to win a title realistically. And once they missed that, I realized I spent all this time watching and support the process years for nothing, but most of all, I felt for Embiid who likely will retire without a ring, unless he asks to be traded himself, because with his body his championship window is much smaller than most.

I'm not saying other people have to come to grips with that. If you want to hold out hope, hold out hope. You do you. But for me, the Sixers process championship window ended once Harden wasn't acquired, and now that I look at things just from a purely basketball perspective and taking emotion out of it, I think the next logical move is to just make the best basketball team you can and hope you get lucky. Because in this battle, Morey lost.

Sorry for the long diatribe

I think you're reading it a bit wrong. I think it's low probability, but why would I want the Sixers to throw in the towel until they have to. Embiid is an MVP candidate so they have something that we could spend another 10 + years trying to get. Why not give it a last ditch effort.

As for your reasons, or #1 I'm guessing he didn't expect the situation to develop this way. Obviously this is a different situation. For #2, it's possible that a star asks out (which seems 1+ happens every year) or GMs start feeling pressure with how the season develops. Simmons would probably be one of the best players offered (plus the draft capital of course).

I think Morey’s biggest mistake is having not traded him already, not that he’s not trading him now per se. My point is the damage is already likely done. Honestly, I think they probably should trade him now, because they still might be able to get something decent that they could flip in a future package for a star. For example, Beasley and Russell, and combine that with Maxey and Thybulle and picks and you might… might be able to get a star for that. If you look at what stars typically go for, they usually aren’t traded for other stars, they’re usually traded for a haul of good but not great players.

So you have to ask yourself what are the scenarios and how likely is each? I think getting a star for Simmons but holding on to him is so unlikely and his value going through the floor is so likely, that’s it’s worth just trading him now. But my main overall gripe is that they should have traded him already. Right now we are debating getting a C package for him vs getting a D package for him. Once you get to that point, you’ve already messed it up.

I agree that it was too late since the end of last season. But that doesn't matter at this point. Like what you mentioned, a C package brings this team to a slow demise IMO which you seem to think is inevitable.

I think if we hold out and still get a D package, what does that really matter? I'd rather take my small percentage chance by waiting and see how the season develops.

Also, I really do think Sixers would have a shot at a star/difference maker because usually a team with a lot of draft capital won't want to trade for an aging star and usually the stars dictate their target teams somewhat. And there's always players that ask out. I mean I think Lowry+ (from last season) would be better than any proposals I heard and I'm sure Toronto would've done that in a heartbeat not that I would want that. Not to mention a few other decent players like Vuc and Ball were moved at the deadline. At the very least, these situations could factor as a third team.

There very well could be a few of those situations this year (hopefully with better players).

[FireMorey]

I think you're reading it a bit wrong. I think it's low probability, but why would I want the Sixers to throw in the towel until they have to. Embiid is an MVP candidate so they have something that we could spend another 10 + years trying to get. Why not give it a last ditch effort.

As for your reasons, or #1 I'm guessing he didn't expect the situation to develop this way. Obviously this is a different situation. For #2, it's possible that a star asks out (which seems 1+ happens every year) or GMs start feeling pressure with how the season develops. Simmons would probably be one of the best players offered (plus the draft capital of course).

I think Morey’s biggest mistake is having not traded him already, not that he’s not trading him now per se. My point is the damage is already likely done. Honestly, I think they probably should trade him now, because they still might be able to get something decent that they could flip in a future package for a star. For example, Beasley and Russell, and combine that with Maxey and Thybulle and picks and you might… might be able to get a star for that. If you look at what stars typically go for, they usually aren’t traded for other stars, they’re usually traded for a haul of good but not great players.

So you have to ask yourself what are the scenarios and how likely is each? I think getting a star for Simmons but holding on to him is so unlikely and his value going through the floor is so likely, that’s it’s worth just trading him now. But my main overall gripe is that they should have traded him already. Right now we are debating getting a C package for him vs getting a D package for him. Once you get to that point, you’ve already messed it up.

I agree that it was too late since the end of last season. But that doesn't matter at this point. Like what you mentioned, a C package brings this team to a slow demise IMO which you seem to think is inevitable.

I think if we hold out and still get a D package, what does that really matter? I'd rather take my small percentage chance by waiting and see how the season develops.

Also, I really do think Sixers would have a shot at a star because usually a team with a lot of draft capital won't want to trade for an aging star and usually the stars dictate their target teams somewhat. And there's always players that ask out. I mean I think Lowry+ (from last season) would be better than any proposals I heard and I'm sure Toronto would've done that in a heartbeat not that I would want that. Not to mention a few other decent players like Vuc and Ball

There very well could be a few of those situations this year (hopefully with better players).

At this point I don't think holding on to him is a huge deal compared to keeping him, but I think people should be more upset that Morey let it get to this point. And most aren't. The narratives I'm reading on the internet and social media is "Man, I love Daryl and how he's handled this." And my response is "how?" He had last offseason, the trade deadline, and the summer to find quality value for Ben Simmons and he didn't do it. Now, it's gotten to this point. I think people should be more angry that he let it become this than they are happy that he's holding his guns now that it's gotten to this point.

I think people are thinking emotionally. They're pissed off at Simmons, and the Sixers sticking it to him gives them a sense of satisfaction. But that feeling will subside over time and if this saga ends with them getting peanuts for him, then people are going to look back on this saga much differently once reality sets in that how this was handled may have cost Embiid a chance to get a ring.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Of course this just has to be as complicated as it can get. I swear, only with this team does something like this go down. Can't believe the little biatch is pulling the mental health card. What a little punk ass coward.

[zaz102]

I think Morey’s biggest mistake is having not traded him already, not that he’s not trading him now per se. My point is the damage is already likely done. Honestly, I think they probably should trade him now, because they still might be able to get something decent that they could flip in a future package for a star. For example, Beasley and Russell, and combine that with Maxey and Thybulle and picks and you might… might be able to get a star for that. If you look at what stars typically go for, they usually aren’t traded for other stars, they’re usually traded for a haul of good but not great players.

So you have to ask yourself what are the scenarios and how likely is each? I think getting a star for Simmons but holding on to him is so unlikely and his value going through the floor is so likely, that’s it’s worth just trading him now. But my main overall gripe is that they should have traded him already. Right now we are debating getting a C package for him vs getting a D package for him. Once you get to that point, you’ve already messed it up.

I agree that it was too late since the end of last season. But that doesn't matter at this point. Like what you mentioned, a C package brings this team to a slow demise IMO which you seem to think is inevitable.

I think if we hold out and still get a D package, what does that really matter? I'd rather take my small percentage chance by waiting and see how the season develops.

Also, I really do think Sixers would have a shot at a star because usually a team with a lot of draft capital won't want to trade for an aging star and usually the stars dictate their target teams somewhat. And there's always players that ask out. I mean I think Lowry+ (from last season) would be better than any proposals I heard and I'm sure Toronto would've done that in a heartbeat not that I would want that. Not to mention a few other decent players like Vuc and Ball

There very well could be a few of those situations this year (hopefully with better players).

At this point I don't think holding on to him is a huge deal compared to keeping him, but I think people should be more upset that Morey let it get to this point. And most aren't. The narratives I'm reading on the internet and social media is "Man, I love Daryl and how he's handled this." And my response is "how?" He had last offseason, the trade deadline, and the summer to find quality value for Ben Simmons and he didn't do it. Now, it's gotten to this point. I think people should be more angry that he let it become this than they are happy that he's holding his guns now that it's gotten to this point.

I think people are thinking emotionally. They're pissed off at Simmons, and the Sixers sticking it to him gives them a sense of satisfaction. But that feeling will subside over time and if this saga ends with them getting peanuts for him, then people are going to look back on this saga much differently once reality sets in that how this was handled may have cost Embiid a chance to get a ring.

Morey hasn't done the most important part of his job, but I can tell you why people aren't on Morey yet-

1. The GMs in the past few years have been terrible in comparison. All have cost the Sixers major assets. Morey might do the same, but most people are reactionary (including me) and waiting to see what happens with Simmons before saying he did the same. I don't think it's fair until the move is made. Kinda like how people were saying the Bucks didn't give Giannis a chance to win and he should bolt before last season happened.

2. Morey took the team from 6th in the East to 1st without giving up major assets. Not the goal, but not sure how you cannot see that as a positive.

3.I feel he added the a good group of young players, vets without any bad contracts.

His legacy will rest on this Simmons trade and his ability to contend for a championship with Embiid. It could very poorly, but based on 1-3 and him only having been here one year, people arent going to run him our of town yet.

Ignore the people that blindly praise him if it bothers you. Honestly, I feel like most people on here are somewhere in the middle with their love/hate of Morey.

[KramerDSP]

Fair play to Simmons - he said he's never playing for Philly again, true to his word.

I think Embiid is the key here. If they lose 2 or 3 in a row and he starts saying something, Ben will be on the first train outta here

With Hinkie teaching Embiid the ways of the craft over two years while he was injured and they watched games together, I’d say Embiid is totally onboard with Morey’s strategy here.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I'm on board with Morey's strategy. 95% of this in my opinion falls on the 8itch Simmons. The outcome from all of this isn't going to be what any of us wanted, but he (Morey) can't cave to this. IF he does, it's going to open the floodgates for players to basically do whatever the hell they want to do. We'll have players taking mental health leaves while getting paid millions of dollars. There's a lot riding on how this all gets handled and Morey is a huge part of that. The crap that Ben is pulling is unprecedented in terms of childish, petty, downright punk ass behavior. Ben is the epitome of his generations version of "spoiled brat." If he wins, this could possibly change the landscape of the NBA by vaulting the "softness" to an all time high. We could start seeing this across all sports (minus hockey). What Ben is doing is very very bad and possibly detrimental to the future athletes that look up to him. He's setting a terrible example and Morey is really all that stands in his way right now. Regardless of the outcome, I give Morey his props for having the stones to stand up to this type of petty ass bullcrap that this younger generation tries to get away with. FWIW I'm 39....so yeah....older....a 90s kid.. This stuff Ben is doing...how he's acting...to me...is the ultimate 8itch move. But what do I know? I grew up in an era where Onyx and Wu Tang got radio air play.

[FireMorey]

I agree that it was too late since the end of last season. But that doesn't matter at this point. Like what you mentioned, a C package brings this team to a slow demise IMO which you seem to think is inevitable.

I think if we hold out and still get a D package, what does that really matter? I'd rather take my small percentage chance by waiting and see how the season develops.

Also, I really do think Sixers would have a shot at a star because usually a team with a lot of draft capital won't want to trade for an aging star and usually the stars dictate their target teams somewhat. And there's always players that ask out. I mean I think Lowry+ (from last season) would be better than any proposals I heard and I'm sure Toronto would've done that in a heartbeat not that I would want that. Not to mention a few other decent players like Vuc and Ball

There very well could be a few of those situations this year (hopefully with better players).

At this point I don't think holding on to him is a huge deal compared to keeping him, but I think people should be more upset that Morey let it get to this point. And most aren't. The narratives I'm reading on the internet and social media is "Man, I love Daryl and how he's handled this." And my response is "how?" He had last offseason, the trade deadline, and the summer to find quality value for Ben Simmons and he didn't do it. Now, it's gotten to this point. I think people should be more angry that he let it become this than they are happy that he's holding his guns now that it's gotten to this point.

I think people are thinking emotionally. They're pissed off at Simmons, and the Sixers sticking it to him gives them a sense of satisfaction. But that feeling will subside over time and if this saga ends with them getting peanuts for him, then people are going to look back on this saga much differently once reality sets in that how this was handled may have cost Embiid a chance to get a ring.

Morey hasn't done the most important part of his job, but I can tell you why people aren't on Morey yet-

1. The GMs in the past few years have been terrible in comparison. All have cost the Sixers major assets. Morey might do the same, but most people are reactionary (including me) and waiting to see what happens with Simmons before saying he did the same. I don't think it's fair until the move is made. Kinda like how people were saying the Bucks didn't give Giannis a chance to win and he should bolt before last season happened.

2. Morey took the team from 6th in the East to 1st without giving up major assets. Not the goal, but not sure how you cannot see that as a positive.

3.I feel he added the a good group of young players, vets without any bad contracts.

His legacy will rest on this Simmons trade and his ability to contend for a championship with Embiid. It could very poorly, but based on 1-3 and him only having been here one year, people arent going to run him our of town yet.

Ignore the people that blindly praise him if it bothers you. Honestly, I feel like most people on here are somewhere in the middle with their love/hate of Morey.

Did Morey take them 6th to 1st or did Embiid? Morey adding Curry helped, but how much of that 1 seed can truly be accredited to Morey? Embiid was the best player in the league all season and Doc Rivers was hired before Morey got there. Was Seth Curry, Dwight Howard, Maxey truly the difference from 6 to 1? Or was it Embiid and Harris stepping up their games more than anything else?

[sodmoraes]

Morey strategy is good, but it will only work if he has the full support of Embiid and the owners. Will Joel want to wait some years of his prime , waiting for this? He may be onboard in the beggining, but lets see..

[zaz102]

At this point I don't think holding on to him is a huge deal compared to keeping him, but I think people should be more upset that Morey let it get to this point. And most aren't. The narratives I'm reading on the internet and social media is "Man, I love Daryl and how he's handled this." And my response is "how?" He had last offseason, the trade deadline, and the summer to find quality value for Ben Simmons and he didn't do it. Now, it's gotten to this point. I think people should be more angry that he let it become this than they are happy that he's holding his guns now that it's gotten to this point.

I think people are thinking emotionally. They're pissed off at Simmons, and the Sixers sticking it to him gives them a sense of satisfaction. But that feeling will subside over time and if this saga ends with them getting peanuts for him, then people are going to look back on this saga much differently once reality sets in that how this was handled may have cost Embiid a chance to get a ring.

Morey hasn't done the most important part of his job, but I can tell you why people aren't on Morey yet-

1. The GMs in the past few years have been terrible in comparison. All have cost the Sixers major assets. Morey might do the same, but most people are reactionary (including me) and waiting to see what happens with Simmons before saying he did the same. I don't think it's fair until the move is made. Kinda like how people were saying the Bucks didn't give Giannis a chance to win and he should bolt before last season happened.

2. Morey took the team from 6th in the East to 1st without giving up major assets. Not the goal, but not sure how you cannot see that as a positive.

3.I feel he added the a good group of young players, vets without any bad contracts.

His legacy will rest on this Simmons trade and his ability to contend for a championship with Embiid. It could very poorly, but based on 1-3 and him only having been here one year, people arent going to run him our of town yet.

Ignore the people that blindly praise him if it bothers you. Honestly, I feel like most people on here are somewhere in the middle with their love/hate of Morey.

Did Morey take them 6th to 1st or did Embiid? Morey adding Curry helped, but how much of that 1 seed can truly be accredited to Morey? Embiid was the best player in the league all season and Doc Rivers was hired before Morey got there. Was Seth Curry, Dwight Howard, Maxey truly the difference from 6 to 1? Or was it Embiid and Harris stepping up their games more than anything else?

Ignore #2, but people (including me) could argue that replacing Horford/Richardson with Curry/Green did have an impact. Not some genius move though and I agree Embiid is the main reason why they were so good, so let's disregard this.

But if you're wondering why people aren't in the fire Morey train yet, there's still #1 and #3 and not sure many people are going to see going from having their worst season to best season as a negative on him.

Again, the Simmons situation will greatly shape his legacy. Right now it looks bad, again I'm going to be reactionary since I don't have a crystal ball. If it goes bad, he will ran out of town.

[zimpy27]

Of course this just has to be as complicated as it can get. I swear, only with this team does something like this go down. Can't believe the little biatch is pulling the mental health card. What a little punk ass coward.

Did he say he had a mental health problem?

I saw a tweet that he wasn't mentally ready but that's not a mental health problem