Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[FireMorey]

Ignore #2, but people (including me) could argue that replacing Horford/Richardson with Curry/Green did have an impact. Not some genius move though and I agree Embiid is the main reason why they were so good, so let's disregard this.

But if you're wondering why people aren't in the fire Morey train yet, there's still #1 and #3 and not sure many people are going to see going from having their worst season to best season as a negative on him.

Again, the Simmons situation will greatly shape his legacy. Right now it looks bad, again I'm going to be reactionary since I don't have a crystal ball. If it goes bad, he will ran out of town.

I’m not saying people have to be on the fire Morey train, just admit he handled the situation poorly, which it doesn’t seem people are even willing to go there yet. I at least hope if this saga ends with them trading him for peanuts, that people will finally admit he did a poor job with this. And I think you’d have to admit done a poor job overall, since this was far and away the most important situation he inherited when he came to the Sixers, and if screw up your most important aspect of your roster, I don’t know how it could be spun that he’s done a good job.

Because you keep assuming something happened, where you can't factually back it up. There is more that actually states, that Morey was going to trade Ben, and Houston backed out at the last minute.

Can't really blame someone, if the other team is unwilling to trade with you.

Kyle Neubeck and Marc Stein both reported that Morey told Houston Maxey was off the table and they were not trading him.

[zaz102]

Did Morey take them 6th to 1st or did Embiid? Morey adding Curry helped, but how much of that 1 seed can truly be accredited to Morey? Embiid was the best player in the league all season and Doc Rivers was hired before Morey got there. Was Seth Curry, Dwight Howard, Maxey truly the difference from 6 to 1? Or was it Embiid and Harris stepping up their games more than anything else?

Ignore #2, but people (including me) could argue that replacing Horford/Richardson with Curry/Green did have an impact. Not some genius move though and I agree Embiid is the main reason why they were so good, so let's disregard this.

But if you're wondering why people aren't in the fire Morey train yet, there's still #1 and #3 and not sure many people are going to see going from having their worst season to best season as a negative on him.

Again, the Simmons situation will greatly shape his legacy. Right now it looks bad, again I'm going to be reactionary since I don't have a crystal ball. If it goes bad, he will ran out of town.

I’m not saying people have to be on the fire Morey train, just admit he handled the situation poorly, which it doesn’t seem people are even willing to go there yet. I at least hope if this saga ends with them trading him for peanuts, that people will finally admit he did a poor job with this. And I think you’d have to admit done a poor job overall, since this was far and away the most important situation he inherited when he came to the Sixers, and if screw up your most important aspect of your roster, I don’t know how it could be spun that he’s done a good job.

I'm not trying to change your stance, but I offered the reasons on how people can "spin" he did a good job or at the very least not a bad job. I get your opinion and everybody will be on Moreys case if he ultimately blows this, but i find it baffling you can't understand how others aren't on the anti-Morey train when your reasons are based on hypotheticals at this point, whereas the ones I gave were based on facts/results.

[Stanford]

I reported that Morey would have traded Maxey for Harden

[BorisY14]

Not liked by 76ers or national team …too selfish, not good for locker room. Got to take a little unders and just ship him out

[KramerDSP]

I think Minnesota is more likely to trade KAT than Edwards at some point, More expensive, older, already hinting he might want to leave. Minnesota is very used to that scenario and Edwards is heading toward the league's most valuable archetype as a big, high scoring, creating wing and on a rookie deal.

If Fox becomes available it is because we missed cashing in on Haliburton before his leap is made. Hali is the one guard out there that has the kind of size and shooting that would really fit well with Maxey and Curry.

CJ and enough picks, that seems the most likely outcome at this point. CJ is younger than Dame, though I think Dame has more staying power (and of course, way more talent) and a three year deal, gives the best chance to win more now, though I don't favor a CJ move as a first line choice.

For the Sixers' possible throw ins, Springer we can still claim is a first rounder, because I don't think that lasts long, or Shake, if we need to sweeten any pot a bit in any deal.

KAT doesn't fit here, but he is the type of difference maker we'd need. That would have to be a 3-team trade, but who wants KAT that has something we want?

I think Towns is the stretch 5 that would most thrive with Zion. Perhaps something with Towns-Ingram-Simmons as the core pieces.

[FireMorey]

I reported that Morey would have traded Maxey for Harden

Maxey and Simmons for Harden? Sure.

Maxey with Simmons and 3 picks and 4 swaps? I’ve seen nothing to indicate he was willing to go there.

I don’t get why people think it’s more difficult to believe he wouldn’t give up that massive haul for Harden, which would have been one of the biggest packages of draft picks ever given up in a trade, than it is that Houston had this master plan to string Morey along until the finish line and then screw him over at the last second and take a lesser offer out of spite, hurting their own team in the process.

I think Morey thought he’d have another shot at a star in the summer, whether it be Beal or Lillard and he gambles wrong. Is it harder to believe that he made a mistake than it is that the Rockets hated Morey so much that they’re willing to take a worse deal and make their own team worse just to stick it to Morey?

[sixers hoops]

Did Morey take them 6th to 1st or did Embiid? Morey adding Curry helped, but how much of that 1 seed can truly be accredited to Morey? Embiid was the best player in the league all season and Doc Rivers was hired before Morey got there. Was Seth Curry, Dwight Howard, Maxey truly the difference from 6 to 1? Or was it Embiid and Harris stepping up their games more than anything else?

Ignore #2, but people (including me) could argue that replacing Horford/Richardson with Curry/Green did have an impact. Not some genius move though and I agree Embiid is the main reason why they were so good, so let's disregard this.

But if you're wondering why people aren't in the fire Morey train yet, there's still #1 and #3 and not sure many people are going to see going from having their worst season to best season as a negative on him.

Again, the Simmons situation will greatly shape his legacy. Right now it looks bad, again I'm going to be reactionary since I don't have a crystal ball. If it goes bad, he will ran out of town.

I’m not saying people have to be on the fire Morey train, just admit he handled the situation poorly, which it doesn’t seem people are even willing to go there yet. I at least hope if this saga ends with them trading him for peanuts, that people will finally admit he did a poor job with this. And I think you’d have to admit done a poor job overall, since this was far and away the most important situation he inherited when he came to the Sixers, and if screw up your most important aspect of your roster, I don’t know how it could be spun that he’s done a good job.

We know the approximate reported offers. Spurs Dejounte and White. Cavs Sexton and filler. Kings Hield, Bagley, and picks. Pacers Brogdon, maybe Caris, and a first. Wolves Beasley and D-Lo. Warriors Wiggins, Wiseman, and a pick.

If he gets worse than that, then his bold move was a miscalculated waste of time.

[DCasey91]

I think by definition a trade with any kind of return is a win because the asset has been downvalued over numerous years before even Morey came now to a sunk cost.

You can point to blaming Morey (I preferred once the balls dropped and the picks where were they were then a trade should occur but if the best offer was pick 13 and Brogdon then it’s a pass).

Overall you’re damned if you do and your damned if you don’t. The bigger picture though is a downright good outcome.

This is reality, you keep biting the hand the feeds you what do you think is going happen? That’s the line you don’t not ever cross. Ben and Ben’s camp has done repeatedly.

Rarely does a half a bullet bring back a star. I think the biggest fallacy is trade Ben = we get player of quality that wins us the championship it’s not that simple in fact far from it.

Posters on other board talk about we should have got Lowry and wear it as a pissing contest... since when does Lowry = Championship? Hindsight is 20/20.

Now you can wait until December and the same deals may or may not be there, but there has to be an open dialogue of resolution between two parties.
Settlements, normal life, consistently there’s messy, really messy or amicable breakups, this one is messy and it’ll only get messier the longer it goes on.

Intelligence needs to take a back step for wisdom. Ben’s not going to change so let him go.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Ben Simmons the basketball player was absolutely missed last night. He really was. The way he runs this offense, the way he creates for others, his passing, his defense. All of that was sorely missed last night. There's a difference between furious with him and throwing insults his way (which I have begun to do) and calling him a bad basketball player. That much I have never done. He can play, he'll have value moving forward. As impatient as I personally have become with this, I know that patience will ultimately pay off. I just hope we can continue to win games while he sits and we find a trade for him soon.

[the_process]

So that interview was… concerning. Lots of questions about what he said.

Why are you mentioning Tobias as a core player?
What justifies this team having > 0 title odds?
What is your definition of a difference maker?
What is your definition of role player?
Trade value is “a nebulous idea you don’t accept”? Care to elaborate?
“Pretext to do something larger by his agent”? Care to elaborate?


I’m slightly worried Morey is losing it after listening to that. I mean, maybe 4D chess Morey WANTS to sound crazy so Ben, Rich Paul, and all the other teams who want Ben understand what it’s going to take?

[Skates]

Letting Simmons go for some nice high end role players would be fine if Colangelo and Brand had not emptied out the asset closet in a flurry of ridiculous deals. At this point Simmons is your last chance at an impact player given the cap and asset situation. My thought is it will either be an older guy like CJ plus some pick assets, or betting on catching a young guy before his leap into stardom, which is a risky play, but a possible high value one. If we had Mikal Bridges at SF, then just getting the best PG available would be fine, but we don't and the team is weak at more than one position right now.

[Stanford]

I’m slightly worried Morey is losing it after listening to that.

He said exactly what he needed to say. You wanted him to sound desperate?

[FireMorey]

Ignore #2, but people (including me) could argue that replacing Horford/Richardson with Curry/Green did have an impact. Not some genius move though and I agree Embiid is the main reason why they were so good, so let's disregard this.

But if you're wondering why people aren't in the fire Morey train yet, there's still #1 and #3 and not sure many people are going to see going from having their worst season to best season as a negative on him.

Again, the Simmons situation will greatly shape his legacy. Right now it looks bad, again I'm going to be reactionary since I don't have a crystal ball. If it goes bad, he will ran out of town.

I’m not saying people have to be on the fire Morey train, just admit he handled the situation poorly, which it doesn’t seem people are even willing to go there yet. I at least hope if this saga ends with them trading him for peanuts, that people will finally admit he did a poor job with this. And I think you’d have to admit done a poor job overall, since this was far and away the most important situation he inherited when he came to the Sixers, and if screw up your most important aspect of your roster, I don’t know how it could be spun that he’s done a good job.

We know the approximate reported offers. Spurs Dejounte and White. Cavs Sexton and filler. Kings Hield, Bagley, and picks. Pacers Brogdon, maybe Caris, and a first. Wolves Beasley and D-Lo. Warriors Wiggins, Wiseman, and a pick.

If he gets worse than that, then his bold move was a miscalculated waste of time.

Yes, that's all I'm saying. If he gets worse than either of those offers then I hope people will admit that he totally miscalculated and messed the whole ordeal up.

[the_process]

Letting Simmons go for some nice high end role players would be fine if Colangelo and Brand had not emptied out the asset closet in a flurry of ridiculous deals. At this point Simmons is your last chance at an impact player given the cap and asset situation. My thought is it will either be an older guy like CJ plus some pick assets, or betting on catching a young guy before his leap into stardom, which is a risky play, but a possible high value one. If we had Mikal Bridges at SF, then just getting the best PG available would be fine, but we don't and the team is weak at more than one position right now.

I agreed with you, but that chance is gone as Simmons has set his own value on fire. After watching this unfold, there’s no way another team gives up a “difference making player” for a guy who is as high maintenance and high risk Simmons is, even if he comes back and plays well!

Grab the draft pick package from Minnesota if your goal is star hunting. Or bet on a young player ascending to star status, looking at Sacto for that one.

[Madd Squabbles]

I’d rather take the Spurs or the Pelicans deal tbh. Hali might not be what we need. CJ is a known product and a pick attached will be of value.
Alternatively White, Young and Vassell have upside on this list or NAW, Sato, Hart and a pick same deal.

Basically young player + pick + filler.

The trouble is we have one spare spot and because of the contract unless it’s one player that matches other players would have to be cut/traded which I’m fine with.

All 3 outcomes aren’t the worst thing in the world. Gives us flexibility.

I’m not fully into Hali + Barnes + Bagley. Bagley is trash and Barnes might actually be the best player that we get from the Kings this year. We have Harris.

Spurs/Pelicans gives us a deep as heck team and pick/picks.

Hopefully Thybulle steps up and takes Greens spot.

Wait! What Pelicans Deal!?!

[sixers hoops]

I’m not saying people have to be on the fire Morey train, just admit he handled the situation poorly, which it doesn’t seem people are even willing to go there yet. I at least hope if this saga ends with them trading him for peanuts, that people will finally admit he did a poor job with this. And I think you’d have to admit done a poor job overall, since this was far and away the most important situation he inherited when he came to the Sixers, and if screw up your most important aspect of your roster, I don’t know how it could be spun that he’s done a good job.

We know the approximate reported offers. Spurs Dejounte and White. Cavs Sexton and filler. Kings Hield, Bagley, and picks. Pacers Brogdon, maybe Caris, and a first. Wolves Beasley and D-Lo. Warriors Wiggins, Wiseman, and a pick.

If he gets worse than that, then his bold move was a miscalculated waste of time.

Yes, that's all I'm saying. If he gets worse than either of those offers then I hope people will admit that he totally miscalculated and messed the whole ordeal up.

I would have taken one of those deals in the summer or move on, but they are pretty weak offers, so Morey’s risk may pay off. He just needs to wait out a series of stall tactics. Listening to Morey, I believe the Sixers will wait this out all season if they have to. Ben and Klutch likely will go back to the Sixers once they exhaust their stall tactics and have to play or go back to losing game checks.

Eventually Klutch gets a team to offer the Sixers something worthwhile, or he comes back and plays for the Sixers. He won’t give up checks, but who knows how long the stall tactics can last. The league can step in on Ben or the Sixers behalf if either side appears to violate the CBA.

[DCasey91]

I’d rather take the Spurs or the Pelicans deal tbh. Hali might not be what we need. CJ is a known product and a pick attached will be of value.
Alternatively White, Young and Vassell have upside on this list or NAW, Sato, Hart and a pick same deal.

Basically young player + pick + filler.

The trouble is we have one spare spot and because of the contract unless it’s one player that matches other players would have to be cut/traded which I’m fine with.

All 3 outcomes aren’t the worst thing in the world. Gives us flexibility.

I’m not fully into Hali + Barnes + Bagley. Bagley is trash and Barnes might actually be the best player that we get from the Kings this year. We have Harris.

Spurs/Pelicans gives us a deep as heck team and pick/picks.

Hopefully Thybulle steps up and takes Greens spot.

Wait! What Pelicans Deal!?!

NAW, Hart, Sato (salary filler) + pick/picks

Or Ingram

[Skates]

Sacto is my top target, my love for Haliburton is well known. Edwards, KAT and Simmons could be really good, so just getting a picks package from them is meh, Simmons is the perfect player to complement that duo or trio if they keep DLo.

You other hope is to fleece a weak GM when they get trigger happy the way Brand would have already. Stay ready to pounce upon weakness.

[DCasey91]

Damn I did advocate for a personal journey or the old man miyagi route, if only. It’s too late now

[Madd Squabbles]

I’d rather take the Spurs or the Pelicans deal tbh. Hali might not be what we need. CJ is a known product and a pick attached will be of value.
Alternatively White, Young and Vassell have upside on this list or NAW, Sato, Hart and a pick same deal.

Basically young player + pick + filler.

The trouble is we have one spare spot and because of the contract unless it’s one player that matches other players would have to be cut/traded which I’m fine with.

All 3 outcomes aren’t the worst thing in the world. Gives us flexibility.

I’m not fully into Hali + Barnes + Bagley. Bagley is trash and Barnes might actually be the best player that we get from the Kings this year. We have Harris.

Spurs/Pelicans gives us a deep as heck team and pick/picks.

Hopefully Thybulle steps up and takes Greens spot.

Wait! What Pelicans Deal!?!