Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[SixthStreet]

This is all just theater. Trade still going to happen after December 15 as it was always going to after the draft passed. Some of these teams boats will soon begin taking on water. In the meantime I'll keep eating my popcorn.

[sixers4real]

I love what Morey is doing.

As I’ve said before, I think trade will be made December/January and I think it’ll be Fox or Ingram (three team trade) for Simmons.

[FlyingArrow]

I love what Morey is doing.

As I’ve said before, I think trade will be made December/January and I think it’ll be Fox or Ingram (three team trade) for Simmons.

Either of those seem feasible. Ben may need to play to make it happen.

[Skates]

December to January seems the most viable time, way more movable contracts, teams realize waht they are and aren't. If the Sixers hit a skid from lacking a PG on the roster, wouldn't be surprised to see a smaller deal first to fix that short term while keeping Simmons in the holster.

[Jhawk03]

For the sake of the next CBA, I can tell you with confidence that if/when Ben is traded, it won't be for peanuts or cents on the dollar. Because if Morey takes a bad deal, he loses his job. On top of that, if the Sixers get trash or peanuts (like most people hope will happen) and the team that gets Ben comes out on top (and imagine that team being the Lakers for example), it's gonna come at a huge cost to the the next CBA negotiations. Emotions are through the rough, and the business side is becoming an afterthought. It's bad business if Ben goes to a new team and elevates them for the next four years while the Sixers get mediocre players with even more mediocre draft capital.

People need to prepare themselves for an equal trade, one that doesn't come with consequences from a CBA standpoint as well as public relations and marketing. As far as what to do with Ben right now, it's best to take things slow, because we're well past the coulda shoulda woulda, in which case.... if Morey accepted those woulda coulda deals before the draft or prior to the start of the season, people will be calling for his head well before Ben's contract is over. I mean they're already doing so now, so what's the point of trading him just to get rid of him?

[the_process]

I’m slightly worried Morey is losing it after listening to that.

He said exactly what he needed to say. You wanted him to sound desperate?

He sounded exactly like a desperate man backed in to a corner.

But again, maybe there's a theater element to it. I won't deny there's a chance of that. I know Morey isn't a stupid guy. Well, he at least hasn't previously been a stupid guy.

[76thBearCub]

It's like Joel said, I don't care about this man any more

[Rastas]

I’m slightly worried Morey is losing it after listening to that.

He said exactly what he needed to say. You wanted him to sound desperate?

He sounded exactly like a desperate man backed in to a corner.

But again, maybe there's a theater element to it. I won't deny there's a chance of that. I know Morey isn't a stupid guy. Well, he at least hasn't previously been a stupid guy.

Morey is not stupid.
He has evaluated everything and come to the conclusion he can't win.
So now trying to wait it out as long as he can.
Probably hoping for 18 more months before they sack him so he can get outta town before the Untradeable Boat Anchor of Joel's Contract materializes after Joel goes down for good leaving 50mill per of nothing on Philly's Books ongoing till 2027.

P.S - Hope Mik317 don't read the last part - I not want to add to your medication bro.

[kio80]

He said exactly what he needed to say. You wanted him to sound desperate?

He sounded exactly like a desperate man backed in to a corner.

But again, maybe there's a theater element to it. I won't deny there's a chance of that. I know Morey isn't a stupid guy. Well, he at least hasn't previously been a stupid guy.

Morey is not stupid.
He has evaluated everything and come to the conclusion he can't win.
So now trying to wait it out as long as he can.
Probably hoping for 18 more months before they sack him so he can get outta town before the Untradeable Boat Anchor of Joel's Contract materializes after Joel goes down for good leaving 50mill per of nothing on Philly's Books ongoing till 2027.

P.S - Hope Mik317 don't read the last part - I not want to add to your medication bro.

Jokes aside, there are some truth in this, I have actually mentioned below in the general board:

Most of you don't seem to understand one very important aspect. Morey has the least to lose out of all the involving parties.
Simmons is risking his entire basketball playing career
76ers/ fans are risking their championship hopes, after tanking soooo many years
Embiid is risking his best years in his prime
Rich Paul is risking his own company brand and possibilities of losing many high end clients.

Morey could just get fired or quit like he did back in Houston and pick up another job in another team, that's why he is not backing down, he wants to burn everything down until he makes Simmons suffer and he doesn't care, like he said, it could take 4 years, it's all about his huge ego, he doesn't have the best intentions for the team.

[Rastas]

He sounded exactly like a desperate man backed in to a corner.

But again, maybe there's a theater element to it. I won't deny there's a chance of that. I know Morey isn't a stupid guy. Well, he at least hasn't previously been a stupid guy.

Morey is not stupid.
He has evaluated everything and come to the conclusion he can't win.
So now trying to wait it out as long as he can.
Probably hoping for 18 more months before they sack him so he can get outta town before the Untradeable Boat Anchor of Joel's Contract materializes after Joel goes down for good leaving 50mill per of nothing on Philly's Books ongoing till 2027.

P.S - Hope Mik317 don't read the last part - I not want to add to your medication bro.

Jokes aside, there are some truth in this, I have actually mentioned below in the general board:

Most of you don't seem to understand one very important aspect. Morey has the least to lose out of all the involving parties.
Simmons is risking his entire basketball playing career
76ers/ fans are risking their championship hopes, after tanking soooo many years
Embiid is risking his best years in his prime
Rich Paul is risking his own company brand and possibilities of losing many high end clients.

Morey could just get fired or quit like he did back in Houston and pick up another job in another team, that's why he is not backing down, he wants to burn everything down until he makes Simmons suffer and he doesn't care, like he said, it could take 4 years, it's all about his huge ego, he doesn't have the best intentions for the team.

He has a 5year Contract so I guess he will hope to be Fired .

[Kolkmania]

Both parties have no incentive to rush it. They have the time until the trade deadline to wait and see if there are any market developments. Until Dec 15 there's a massive pool of players that can't be involved in a trade as well.

Nevertheless, Morey said the right thing, but of course he wouldn't hold out for 4 years, but neither would Simmons. No way that's going to happen.

I am personally conflicted about Morey's perspective on Simmons and whether he really thinks that Simmons has the value to acquire a top-30 player in return. I don't think he has that kind of value to be honest.

[Jhawk03]

He sounded exactly like a desperate man backed in to a corner.

But again, maybe there's a theater element to it. I won't deny there's a chance of that. I know Morey isn't a stupid guy. Well, he at least hasn't previously been a stupid guy.

Morey is not stupid.
He has evaluated everything and come to the conclusion he can't win.
So now trying to wait it out as long as he can.
Probably hoping for 18 more months before they sack him so he can get outta town before the Untradeable Boat Anchor of Joel's Contract materializes after Joel goes down for good leaving 50mill per of nothing on Philly's Books ongoing till 2027.

P.S - Hope Mik317 don't read the last part - I not want to add to your medication bro.

Jokes aside, there are some truth in this, I have actually mentioned below in the general board:

Most of you don't seem to understand one very important aspect. Morey has the least to lose out of all the involving parties.
Simmons is risking his entire basketball playing career
76ers/ fans are risking their championship hopes, after tanking soooo many years
Embiid is risking his best years in his prime
Rich Paul is risking his own company brand and possibilities of losing many high end clients.

Morey could just get fired or quit like he did back in Houston and pick up another job in another team, that's why he is not backing down, he wants to burn everything down until he makes Simmons suffer and he doesn't care, like he said, it could take 4 years, it's all about his huge ego, he doesn't have the best intentions for the team.

I'm sure I'll never ever understand the Morey thing, all I care about is a solution. If Morey is hell bent on getting even with Ben while screwing the Sixers then he's out of business as a GM no matter what. Why on earth people think this is personal is beyond me. At this point, let the narratives run free for now, but business will still be the reigning factor after all is said and done.

[ConstableChaos]

If one of these stars becomes available - Sixers are going to have to Simmons+ the draft picks + some young guys to even be competitive in the trade market for a beal or a lilliard

[Tomjas]

He sounded exactly like a desperate man backed in to a corner.

But again, maybe there's a theater element to it. I won't deny there's a chance of that. I know Morey isn't a stupid guy. Well, he at least hasn't previously been a stupid guy.

Morey is not stupid.
He has evaluated everything and come to the conclusion he can't win.
So now trying to wait it out as long as he can.
Probably hoping for 18 more months before they sack him so he can get outta town before the Untradeable Boat Anchor of Joel's Contract materializes after Joel goes down for good leaving 50mill per of nothing on Philly's Books ongoing till 2027.

P.S - Hope Mik317 don't read the last part - I not want to add to your medication bro.

Jokes aside, there are some truth in this, I have actually mentioned below in the general board:

Most of you don't seem to understand one very important aspect. Morey has the least to lose out of all the involving parties.
Simmons is risking his entire basketball playing career
76ers/ fans are risking their championship hopes, after tanking soooo many years
Embiid is risking his best years in his prime
Rich Paul is risking his own company brand and possibilities of losing many high end clients.

Morey could just get fired or quit like he did back in Houston and pick up another job in another team, that's why he is not backing down, he wants to burn everything down until he makes Simmons suffer and he doesn't care, like he said, it could take 4 years, it's all about his huge ego, he doesn't have the best intentions for the team.

Bingo

[Tomjas]

If one of these stars becomes available - Sixers are going to have to Simmons+ the draft picks + some young guys to even be competitive in the trade market for a beal or a lilliard

Beal is the very definition of fool’s gold

Team will be worse with a straight up trade

[downtownpie]

Not liked by 76ers or national team …too selfish, not good for locker room. Got to take a little unders and just ship him out

Thats just BS. He has friends on the sixers and Australian team.

[Jhawk03]

Morey is not stupid.
He has evaluated everything and come to the conclusion he can't win.
So now trying to wait it out as long as he can.
Probably hoping for 18 more months before they sack him so he can get outta town before the Untradeable Boat Anchor of Joel's Contract materializes after Joel goes down for good leaving 50mill per of nothing on Philly's Books ongoing till 2027.

P.S - Hope Mik317 don't read the last part - I not want to add to your medication bro.

Jokes aside, there are some truth in this, I have actually mentioned below in the general board:

Most of you don't seem to understand one very important aspect. Morey has the least to lose out of all the involving parties.
Simmons is risking his entire basketball playing career
76ers/ fans are risking their championship hopes, after tanking soooo many years
Embiid is risking his best years in his prime
Rich Paul is risking his own company brand and possibilities of losing many high end clients.

Morey could just get fired or quit like he did back in Houston and pick up another job in another team, that's why he is not backing down, he wants to burn everything down until he makes Simmons suffer and he doesn't care, like he said, it could take 4 years, it's all about his huge ego, he doesn't have the best intentions for the team.

Bingo

yeah BINGO, because we're THAT type of society now.

[eyeatoma]

Did Morey take them 6th to 1st or did Embiid? Morey adding Curry helped, but how much of that 1 seed can truly be accredited to Morey? Embiid was the best player in the league all season and Doc Rivers was hired before Morey got there. Was Seth Curry, Dwight Howard, Maxey truly the difference from 6 to 1? Or was it Embiid and Harris stepping up their games more than anything else?

Ignore #2, but people (including me) could argue that replacing Horford/Richardson with Curry/Green did have an impact. Not some genius move though and I agree Embiid is the main reason why they were so good, so let's disregard this.

But if you're wondering why people aren't in the fire Morey train yet, there's still #1 and #3 and not sure many people are going to see going from having their worst season to best season as a negative on him.

Again, the Simmons situation will greatly shape his legacy. Right now it looks bad, again I'm going to be reactionary since I don't have a crystal ball. If it goes bad, he will ran out of town.

I’m not saying people have to be on the fire Morey train, just admit he handled the situation poorly, which it doesn’t seem people are even willing to go there yet. I at least hope if this saga ends with them trading him for peanuts, that people will finally admit he did a poor job with this. And I think you’d have to admit done a poor job overall, since this was far and away the most important situation he inherited when he came to the Sixers, and if screw up your most important aspect of your roster, I don’t know how it could be spun that he’s done a good job.

It's possible, but I think you're wrong. Morey has first hand knowledge of Harden, and Fertita. If he knew that he needed to offer more I think he would have. He knew that bringing Ben back would cause problems. Morey is not an idiot. You don't tell a player that they are about to be traded, and then hold up the trade because the other team is asking for a rookie.

[Zumramania]

I guess some of the Ben fans here are really angry that Morey won't budge to the desires of their fragile narcissistic prince and are coming up with all sorts of rationalizations lol.

[MVP1992]

Is LeBron fed up with the Lakers experience yet? Surely he's due for a move.

Simmons and Danny Green for LeBron.

In a couple? of years, Trade LeBron to wherever his son gets a gifted draft spot.

I hope 'Game of Zones' comes back to cover this debacle ending to 'The Process'