RS 21/22 - Mavs @ Hawks (Oct. 21. 7:30PM EST, TNT)

[Mavrelous]

And who will create shots for THJ? THJ biggest improvement, when he came from Knicks, was limiting number of dribbles. He became much more efficient because of that. The reason he could do that is Luka. Put THJ playing with second team and he will need to create more, what isn't exactly his virtue. If we could add Goran or some other solid guard that option would have been much more realistic. Goran running second team would have been huge. Unfortunately we did too little in offseason, like many years before. When players like Kleber, Dfs and Brunson, who are the only 3 with some value are untouchable, then you know you're in big ****.

Brunson, just like last year, and Brunson, THJ, Luka, DFS, KP close out the game.
The team needs another scorer, we already know, but need patience and making the best out of this situation, the missing piece will be available sooner or later (Sexton, McCollum, FVV, etc...), regardless, the team is better than they played yesterday.

[41Dirk41]

I'll be honest. I liked what they did in the offseason. It was the kind of offseason I wished they did one or two summers ago. Signing good wings (sorely missing in this team for a while) who can shoot is great with Luka ball. Which is probably why we should go back to that offense cause the roster can only succeed with that type offense at the moment.

Sorry man but this is a bad way to think, our roster is full of those mediocre 3&D wings...adding an other pair doesn't resolve our problems.
We need talent, but i have read people who don't trade Maxi for Markaneen. I quit.

I've been a Mavs fan for long time. No one is signing here. And I don't believe the narrative that players are gonna sign here because of Luka. Most of these star players grew up together for the most part and Luka is outside that circle.

As for the roster having full 3 and D wings, I'm sorry man but you need to look back on the rosters we had going back to when Luka was a rookie. Barnes and Matthews was probably the last ones. Since then we had a plethora of guards and bigs but very thin on the wings. There is a reason why DFS is slotted as the starter for about 3 years now. There's a reason why the Mavs use Maxi as a wing defender when he's better as a help side one. The last two playoffs really exposed this aspect in the lineup.

As for why I liked these signings, unlike the other defensive wings the Mavs brought in, Bullock and Brown seem to know how to shoot. Also they don't seem to be undersized when guarding SFs. If they out perform their contract even better, cause now you have some assets you can actually trade to get that second option.

Me too...before Dirk, i'm 41yo

But i disagree with you, Markaneen and Hield wanted come here ( the media told that)...ok they are not perfect or all star but better than our role players for sure.

Adding guys like Bullock and Brown change nothing for the team, more bodies on the bench at least. No more.

We will make the PO anyway but the lack of improvement in the last 3years could cost us the future.

My opinion obviously.

[Bob8]

I still remember that clown here blaming Luka for being a ballhog and why the Mavs lost again in the first round. See in this game? No one in this current team that can create shot for himself and to his teammates!!!! They're limited!! Just look at DFS posting up three times! Lol. Hilarious!

KP posting up looked pretty awful too.

[Bob8]

And who will create shots for THJ? THJ biggest improvement, when he came from Knicks, was limiting number of dribbles. He became much more efficient because of that. The reason he could do that is Luka. Put THJ playing with second team and he will need to create more, what isn't exactly his virtue. If we could add Goran or some other solid guard that option would have been much more realistic. Goran running second team would have been huge. Unfortunately we did too little in offseason, like many years before. When players like Kleber, Dfs and Brunson, who are the only 3 with some value are untouchable, then you know you're in big ****.

Brunson, just like last year, and Brunson, THJ, Luka, DFS, KP close out the game.
The team needs another scorer, we already know, but need patience and making the best out of this situation, the missing piece will be available sooner or later (Sexton, McCollum, FVV, etc...), regardless, the team is better than they played yesterday.

THJ was in some period of last year just incredible, it didn't matter with who he plays, not sure if that is sustainable. Brunson is more scorer than playmaker.

Yesterday bench was not Mavs main problem, starters were. Everyone playing out of their normal roles was where things went wrong.

[Archx]

I know Hawks are a deep team but Mavs shot freaking 33% from the field. They had ton of open looks and just missed. We have to wait few games before we really see what's going on.

Yes, Luka can't continue playing like this, he needs to be the main focus like he was in previous years, his USG% has to be high. THJ is horrible with the ball, Brunson does not pass and KP still can't dribble... Who else is going to do anything? But having Luka on the floor at the same time as Burke, just to watch Burke initiate the offense even over KP, is absolutely brutal. Don't know what Kidd was thinking there...

Still, only 1 game and Mavs won't shot so horrible every night. Happened often under RC era aswell.

[leolozon]

Team got stuffed. No, let me rephrase... they got bent over and then stuffed. This isn't on Jason Kidd or Luka. It's on the dumbass numpty (Mark Cuban) who built the roster and then expects Kidd/Luka to get the most out of the crap he's put together. It should have been expected TBH, despite us all wanting/hoping for better. This team isn't built to win. It's built to satisfy Cuban's personal desires.

The team is better than last year on paper and they won the equivalent of 48 last year with KP's injury and getting hit by covid. If the team doesn't win 48+, it's on Kidd.

[arkuo]

Kyle Lowry was the Plan A going into the offseason. Re-signing THJ wasn't in the cards and it shows. Hopefully they could make it work now that they've signed him to a multi year deal. Still not a fan of signing one way players to big deals. He's only limited to one side of the court doing one thing and one thing only. He's like a black Joe Harris, but BKN has KD and Harden to bail them out when Harris has a bad game.

[leolozon]

Trust his teammates more.

DFS went to the post 3 times!!! KP is still KP. And Powell? Yeah. Lol.

Like many real basketball observers have said that the reason why Luka has a high usage is because of the personnel. Cuban did nothing by putting the same thing and instead hiring a coach with an off court issues and who was terrible in Milwaukee and Brooklyn. But hey Cuban wants him because he will have another scapegoat.

I wish I was able to make a video of all the post ups one after the other. I think there was more stripped ball than shot attempted. This was a sad display of inefficient basketball.

[agentofatlas]

Sorry man but this is a bad way to think, our roster is full of those mediocre 3&D wings...adding an other pair doesn't resolve our problems.
We need talent, but i have read people who don't trade Maxi for Markaneen. I quit.

I've been a Mavs fan for long time. No one is signing here. And I don't believe the narrative that players are gonna sign here because of Luka. Most of these star players grew up together for the most part and Luka is outside that circle.

As for the roster having full 3 and D wings, I'm sorry man but you need to look back on the rosters we had going back to when Luka was a rookie. Barnes and Matthews was probably the last ones. Since then we had a plethora of guards and bigs but very thin on the wings. There is a reason why DFS is slotted as the starter for about 3 years now. There's a reason why the Mavs use Maxi as a wing defender when he's better as a help side one. The last two playoffs really exposed this aspect in the lineup.

As for why I liked these signings, unlike the other defensive wings the Mavs brought in, Bullock and Brown seem to know how to shoot. Also they don't seem to be undersized when guarding SFs. If they out perform their contract even better, cause now you have some assets you can actually trade to get that second option.

Me too...before Dirk, i'm 41yo

But i disagree with you, Markaneen and Hield wanted come here ( the media told that)...ok they are not perfect or all star but better than our role players for sure.

Adding guys like Bullock and Brown change nothing for the team, more bodies on the bench at least. No more.

We will make the PO anyway but the lack of improvement in the last 3years could cost us the future.

My opinion obviously.

That's my point in order to get those guys you listed, we need assets to trade. I mean those are restricted guys. Lauri was traded I believe.

You sign guys who fit the team and turn them into assets. That's how the Mavs will improve.

[41Dirk41]

I've been a Mavs fan for long time. No one is signing here. And I don't believe the narrative that players are gonna sign here because of Luka. Most of these star players grew up together for the most part and Luka is outside that circle.

As for the roster having full 3 and D wings, I'm sorry man but you need to look back on the rosters we had going back to when Luka was a rookie. Barnes and Matthews was probably the last ones. Since then we had a plethora of guards and bigs but very thin on the wings. There is a reason why DFS is slotted as the starter for about 3 years now. There's a reason why the Mavs use Maxi as a wing defender when he's better as a help side one. The last two playoffs really exposed this aspect in the lineup.

As for why I liked these signings, unlike the other defensive wings the Mavs brought in, Bullock and Brown seem to know how to shoot. Also they don't seem to be undersized when guarding SFs. If they out perform their contract even better, cause now you have some assets you can actually trade to get that second option.

Me too...before Dirk, i'm 41yo

But i disagree with you, Markaneen and Hield wanted come here ( the media told that)...ok they are not perfect or all star but better than our role players for sure.

Adding guys like Bullock and Brown change nothing for the team, more bodies on the bench at least. No more.

We will make the PO anyway but the lack of improvement in the last 3years could cost us the future.

My opinion obviously.

That's my point in order to get those guys you listed, we need assets to trade. I mean those are restricted guys. Lauri was traded I believe.

You sign guys who fit the team and turn them into assets. That's how the Mavs will improve.

OK i understand and you are right, but guys like Bullock and Brown will never be trade assets,they are role players/journey man...Delon Wright/Josh Richardson failed too. Seth gifted.
Markaneen can make a 20+10 season paired with Luka and the you have a huge trade assets.
But it's good, a lot of Mavs fans like our guys and don't want trade them. That's it.
I hope Dragic will be available soon or later in the season, Luka need help.

Obviously if the target is a PO experience this roster is enough but i do not expect much more honestly.

[agentofatlas]

Me too...before Dirk, i'm 41yo

But i disagree with you, Markaneen and Hield wanted come here ( the media told that)...ok they are not perfect or all star but better than our role players for sure.

Adding guys like Bullock and Brown change nothing for the team, more bodies on the bench at least. No more.

We will make the PO anyway but the lack of improvement in the last 3years could cost us the future.

My opinion obviously.

That's my point in order to get those guys you listed, we need assets to trade. I mean those are restricted guys. Lauri was traded I believe.

You sign guys who fit the team and turn them into assets. That's how the Mavs will improve.

OK i understand and you are right, but guys like Bullock and Brown will never be trade assets,they are role players/journey man...Delon Wright/Josh Richardson failed too. Seth gifted.
Markaneen can make a 20+10 season paired with Luka and the you have a huge trade assets.
But it's good, a lot of Mavs fans like our guys and don't want trade them. That's it.
I hope Dragic will be available soon or later in the season, Luka need help.

Obviously if the target is a PO experience this roster is enough but i do not expect much more honestly.

Real 3 and D wings are gold in the NBA. They always have a market. **** Richardson sucked here and he still got a contract extension. I mean Markennen was traded for one (Derek Jones Jr.)

[dirkdiggler4177]

The shooting numbers themself just show this was an off night. I like how DFS was doing more than usual. KP seems more into it, but he got owned by Collins, who plays so well. If they made their shot nobody would go crazy, but it was just an off-night for everybody.

[Mavrelous]

Me too...before Dirk, i'm 41yo

But i disagree with you, Markaneen and Hield wanted come here ( the media told that)...ok they are not perfect or all star but better than our role players for sure.

Same age here, stopped watching 10 years ago due to work and family, got back to watching with COVID lockdowns and quarantines and was hooked again.

[Bob8]

The shooting numbers themself just show this was an off night. I like how DFS was doing more than usual. KP seems more into it, but he got owned by Collins, who plays so well. If they made their shot nobody would go crazy, but it was just an off-night for everybody.

This article pretty good explains that only bad shooting night is not what happened yesterday.

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/10/22/22739807/the-mavericks-offense-showed-numerous-red-flags-in-their-season-opener

[Dirk]

Same age here, stopped watching 10 years ago due to work and family, got back to watching with COVID lockdowns and quarantines and was hooked again.

See.. a good thing about Covid rules

Did you ever get a explanation for the ban?

[ejs78]

The shooting numbers themself just show this was an off night. I like how DFS was doing more than usual. KP seems more into it, but he got owned by Collins, who plays so well. If they made their shot nobody would go crazy, but it was just an off-night for everybody.

This article pretty good explains that only bad shooting night is not what happened yesterday.

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/10/22/22739807/the-mavericks-offense-showed-numerous-red-flags-in-their-season-opener

Ahh Mavsmoneyball where no one is ever happy especially Kirk "I hate life" Henderson. Not saying the article isn't correct, but man all they do is bitch.

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[Bob8]

The shooting numbers themself just show this was an off night. I like how DFS was doing more than usual. KP seems more into it, but he got owned by Collins, who plays so well. If they made their shot nobody would go crazy, but it was just an off-night for everybody.

This article pretty good explains that only bad shooting night is not what happened yesterday.

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/10/22/22739807/the-mavericks-offense-showed-numerous-red-flags-in-their-season-opener

Ahh Mavsmoneyball where no one is ever happy especially Kirk "I hate life" Henderson. Not saying the article isn't correct, but man all they do is bitch.

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I don't know about them, but bitching in European Mavs circles has philosophical reasons. We just cannot understand Americans in Nba approach, because we're all for winning now. In Europe you have to win every year, nobody will settle for less. Watching Mavs being the same "solid" club just isn't enough.

I know that you need time to build the roster, but I would expect that in 3 years you should come at least a little closer. Believing that a problem is in your star player, who just had 35 points triple double in playoffs and a coach, who doesn't use properly a corpse of Unicorn, will bring you exactly where we finished yesterday.

Yes, this game statistically means very little for the whole season. On the other hand it put to sleep all hopes for something more. Kidd will do adjustments, players will play better, but in the end not Kidd and not Luka can do miracles with roster like that.

[ejs78]

This article pretty good explains that only bad shooting night is not what happened yesterday.

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/10/22/22739807/the-mavericks-offense-showed-numerous-red-flags-in-their-season-opener

Ahh Mavsmoneyball where no one is ever happy especially Kirk "I hate life" Henderson. Not saying the article isn't correct, but man all they do is bitch.

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I don't know about them, but bitching in European Mavs circles has philosophical reasons. We just cannot understand Americans in Nba approach, because we're all for winning now. In Europe you have to win every year, nobody will settle for less. Watching Mavs being the same "solid" club just isn't enough.

I know that you need time to build the roster, but I would expect that in 3 years you should come at least a little closer. Believing that a problem is in your star player, who just had 35 points triple double in playoffs and a coach, who doesn't use properly a corpse of Unicorn, will bring you exactly where we finished yesterday.

Yes, this game statistically means very little for the whole season. On the other hand it put to sleep all hopes for something more. Kidd will do adjustments, players will play better, but in the end not Kidd and not Luka can do miracles with roster like that.

Its a longer year with more rest between games. 81 more to go.

Now if they start off 6-14 like last year when I was preaching patience I'll probably won't be as optimistic due to Kidd.

Next 3 are TOR, HOU, SA

These teams should help correcting the issues from last night to prep for better teams.

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[fuller4379]

Girls, girls, boys, we were not victorious, but I don't have a new prospective on this team yet because there is still 81 games to go. I don't have high hopes for this team as constructed but there is no reason to panic at the disco yet. Still living off my house of memories of the Dirk years.

[Mavrelous]

Same age here, stopped watching 10 years ago due to work and family, got back to watching with COVID lockdowns and quarantines and was hooked again.

See.. a good thing about Covid rules

Did you ever get a explanation for the ban?

Didn't bother, probably COVID thread, didn't post there any more, wasn't the most fruitful discussion.

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