Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game

[OkcSinceSGA]

Why, because Paul will advise his clients to sit out, whilst not knowing the basic tenants of the CBA? How's that working for Ben right now?

You ever hear of free agency and trades? See Harden and AD for recent examples

Both of those examples had significantly more leverage because they were ending their contracts, and not beginning them.

Fair point. It’s true this is a bit unique due to him still having 4 years.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Simmons is a real piece of **** using mental health to try and collect his checks, it's a slap in the face to everyone that actually has to deal with issues.

I actually believe he has mental health issues and said it over a year ago. Forget the on court stuff, the off court family issues about his sister is no joke and all off it coincided with his play going down hill last season. Throw in that they told him he was traded for Harden and you can see the mental toll it’s taking on him.

Whether he has mental health issues is unknown, what is known is that this has come out in an attempt to get game checks. He was very clearly going to hold out because he thought he was going to get paid, and he showed up with the sole purpose of getting paid without doing anything. There were no mental health concerns from his team/camp/agent until he started missing game checks, this is the way to get them back and it's so transparent. He was asked to fulfill his side of the contract and now, now all of a sudden he's not mentally right? I bet if he were traded he'd show up and play without any concerns to mental health.

[DusterBuster]

Morey is playing with a big fire. Simmons is represented by Rich Paul. The most powerful agent in the league now. Not a guy you wanna get on the bad side with

This is good for the league, long term though. Hopefully this drags out the entire year. And BS doesn't get a dime in pay.

Agreed, this most definitely is in the best interest of the league as a whole, but it's also likely going to cost Philly a season (or more) of drama that very well may impact the play on the court... hope for Sixer fans that's not the case.

[DusterBuster]

Simmons is a real piece of **** using mental health to try and collect his checks, it's a slap in the face to everyone that actually has to deal with issues.

I actually believe he has mental health issues and said it over a year ago. Forget the on court stuff, the off court family issues about his sister is no joke and all off it coincided with his play going down hill last season. Throw in that they told him he was traded for Harden and you can see the mental toll it’s taking on him.

Whether he has mental health issues is unknown, what is known is that this has come out in an attempt to get game checks. He was very clearly going to hold out because he thought he was going to get paid, and he showed up with the sole purpose of getting paid without doing anything. There were no mental health concerns from his team/camp/agent until he started missing game checks, this is the way to get them back and it's so transparent. He was asked to fulfill his side of the contract and now, now all of a sudden he's not mentally right? I bet if he were traded he'd show up and play without any concerns to mental health.

No one in this game has a good poker face. It's blatently transparent from both Morey and Ben's camps what each side is thinking.

[kio80]

Most of you don't seem to understand one very important aspect. Morey has the least to lose out of all the involving parties.
Simmons is risking his entire basketball playing career
76ers/ fans are risking their championship hopes, after tanking soooo many years
Embiid is risking his best years in his prime
Rich Paul is risking his own company brand and possibilities of losing many high end clients.

Morey could just get fired or quit like he did back in Houston and pick up another job in another team, that's why he is not backing down, he wants to burn everything down until he makes Simmons suffer and he doesn't care, like he said, it could take 4 years, it's all about his huge ego, he doesn't have the best intentions for the team.

[Takingbaconback]

Most of you don't seem to understand one very important aspect. Morey has the least to lose out of all the involving parties.
Simmons is risking his entire basketball playing career
76ers/ fans are risking their championship hopes, after tanking soooo many years
Embiid is risking his best years in his prime
Rich Paul is risking his own company brand and possibilities of losing many high end clients.

Morey could just get fired or quit like he did back in Houston and pick up another job in another team, that's why he is not backing down, he wants to burn everything down until he makes Simmons suffer and he doesn't care, like he said, it could take 4 years, it's all about his huge ego, he doesn't have the best intentions for the team.

I agree with Morey about not trading Simmons at a depressed value, but what he's expecting is way too much. Really should have taken that deal centered around Brogdon. Dude is a reliable perimeter shooter, good passer, versatile, and has high BBIQ to fit on any team. Idk if it was his secondary/tertiary role in Milwaukee, but why some people think he's not a legitimate NBA star is beyond me.

It's a real tough situation even if Simmons does start playing because his value is going to keep decreasing if he doesn't improve his shooting (which seems likely at this point). For his first several years, you can always point to his youth and potential to become better, but four years of poor shooting highlighted by his FT % (56%, 60%, 62%, 61%) are very troubling. It's getting to the point where some GMs wonder why he's a max player, let alone worth giving up any assets for him. Another year or two of that and that max deal is inexcusable and negative asset in today's game. Simmons is never going to be the only talented NBA player out there to be had, and he's very quickly losing his luster. That said, I think waiting is the best and only move and I believe Morey hates that more than anybody.

[JujitsuFlip]

Most of you don't seem to understand one very important aspect. Morey has the least to lose out of all the involving parties.
Simmons is risking his entire basketball playing career
76ers/ fans are risking their championship hopes, after tanking soooo many years
Embiid is risking his best years in his prime
Rich Paul is risking his own company brand and possibilities of losing many high end clients.

Morey could just get fired or quit like he did back in Houston and pick up another job in another team, that's why he is not backing down, he wants to burn everything down until he makes Simmons suffer and he doesn't care, like he said, it could take 4 years, it's all about his huge ego, he doesn't have the best intentions for the team.

The 4 years is a bit of hyperbole, imo.

Morey should at least wait until December 15th and no later than February 10th.

[Synciere]

Then he should probably leave and not collect his money.

Or he could just be an ass and nuisance so he can keep his money and still get out of Philly.

Hopefully the team and league fines him to oblivion.

Hopefully they just trade him so that everyone is happy. Fining him to oblivion is trying to control him and beat him to submission.

[azcatz11]

Or he could just be an ass and nuisance so he can keep his money and still get out of Philly.

Hopefully the team and league fines him to oblivion.

Hopefully they just trade him so that everyone is happy. Fining him to oblivion is trying to control him and beat him to submission.

They owe him nothing. If he is unhappy and doesn't want to play - that's on him. They will trade him when they have the right package.

[Synciere]

Hopefully the team and league fines him to oblivion.

Hopefully they just trade him so that everyone is happy. Fining him to oblivion is trying to control him and beat him to submission.

They owe him nothing. If he is unhappy and doesn't want to play - that's on him. They will trade him when they have the right package.

They owe him plenty. No one took a gun to the heads of the owners and executives and told them to draft him. After years of knowing him no one told them to give him the contract they gave him. His value has sunk and they're trying to bully him back to complacency and it's not working. First he threatened never to play for them. Then he showed up and acted out. Now he's playing the mental illness card, which becomes sticky territory if you look at the modern landscape. They could trade him at any time they like. He can come back at any time he likes. There are no victims here.

[Nate505]

Or he could just be an ass and nuisance so he can keep his money and still get out of Philly.

Hopefully the team and league fines him to oblivion.

Hopefully they just trade him so that everyone is happy. Fining him to oblivion is trying to control him and beat him to submission.

Or trying to, like, have him agree to the terms of the contract he signed.

[Synciere]

Hopefully the team and league fines him to oblivion.

Hopefully they just trade him so that everyone is happy. Fining him to oblivion is trying to control him and beat him to submission.

Or trying to, like, have him agree to the terms of the contract he signed.

Yeah. But historically, we've seen players and agents get out of places they don't want to be and/or force a trade. And players are of such rare value that in cases such as Ben's, they usually have some, not a lot, but some, leverage. I'm not saying the Sixers are wrong for what they're doing. I'm saying what they're doing ignores history, and is thoroughly tone deaf. They can and may force him back, but I think Ben has shown that that might be the worst outcome for everyone involved.

[SkyHookFTW]

Hopefully they just trade him so that everyone is happy. Fining him to oblivion is trying to control him and beat him to submission.

They owe him nothing. If he is unhappy and doesn't want to play - that's on him. They will trade him when they have the right package.

They owe him plenty. No one took a gun to the heads of the owners and executives and told them to draft him. After years of knowing him no one told them to give him the contract they gave him. His value has sunk and they're trying to bully him back to complacency and it's not working. First he threatened never to play for them. Then he showed up and acted out. Now he's playing the mental illness card, which becomes sticky territory if you look at the modern landscape. They could trade him at any time they like. He can come back at any time he likes. There are no victims here.

The owners may have offered him that contract but he, of his own free will, signed it with all the approbations and responsibilities that come with contracts. They owe him? Bull poop. They owe him the $177 million that he signed for as long as he agrees to live up to the terms of the deal he willingly signed.

[Fade_awayJ]

It's all Karma from those process years, that's how I see it.

[Synciere]

They owe him nothing. If he is unhappy and doesn't want to play - that's on him. They will trade him when they have the right package.

They owe him plenty. No one took a gun to the heads of the owners and executives and told them to draft him. After years of knowing him no one told them to give him the contract they gave him. His value has sunk and they're trying to bully him back to complacency and it's not working. First he threatened never to play for them. Then he showed up and acted out. Now he's playing the mental illness card, which becomes sticky territory if you look at the modern landscape. They could trade him at any time they like. He can come back at any time he likes. There are no victims here.

The owners may have offered him that contract but he, of his own free will, signed it with all the approbations and responsibilities that come with contracts. They owe him? Bull poop. They owe him the $177 million that he signed for as long as he agrees to live up to the terms of the deal he willingly signed.

You’re making my point for me. Neither side is wrong. Both sides came to an agreement. Simmons has his limited leverage and the team has their massive leverage. Force him to play and he probably will, and he’ll be an **** and massive distraction.. How does that help his value? If Beal or Dame decide they want out, how does that make Philly look?

People have to realize that Ben is still on the roster, but he’s no longer a member of that team lol. He doesn’t play for them anymore. Money is talking about this like a man who won’t have to deal with it daily. At some point the coach and/or players that matter are going to say enough. Just send him home and when you find a deal you find a deal. If morey wants to wait four years then he’s the only one. Forcing Ben to play is only hurting Phillys position. This isn’t helping.

[SkyHookFTW]

They owe him plenty. No one took a gun to the heads of the owners and executives and told them to draft him. After years of knowing him no one told them to give him the contract they gave him. His value has sunk and they're trying to bully him back to complacency and it's not working. First he threatened never to play for them. Then he showed up and acted out. Now he's playing the mental illness card, which becomes sticky territory if you look at the modern landscape. They could trade him at any time they like. He can come back at any time he likes. There are no victims here.

The owners may have offered him that contract but he, of his own free will, signed it with all the approbations and responsibilities that come with contracts. They owe him? Bull poop. They owe him the $177 million that he signed for as long as he agrees to live up to the terms of the deal he willingly signed.

You’re making my point for me. Neither side is wrong. Both sides came to an agreement. Simmons has his limited leverage and the team has their massive leverage. Force him to play and he probably will, and he’ll be an **** and massive distraction.. How does that help his value? If Beal or Dame decide they want out, how does that make Philly look?

People have to realize that Ben is still on the roster, but he’s no longer a member of that team lol. He doesn’t play for them anymore. Money is talking about this like a man who won’t have to deal with it daily. At some point the coach and/or players that matter are going to say enough. Just send him home and when you find a deal you find a deal. If morey wants to wait four years then he’s the only one. Forcing Ben to play is only hurting Phillys position. This isn’t helping.

As I posted in another thread, how much will his skills deteriorate sitting on his bum for that amount of time? If he truly cares about being a NBA player he needs to think about that. Those four, formative years of experience are something he will never get back. Both sides lose as you say.