2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation

[bwgood77]

I don't necessarily disagree with anything sarver has said. Very interesting that James Jones backs him up as well.

I guess we'll have to see what the report says.

I still say that being dumb and rude and even offensive doesn't make you an evil sexist or racist. However, the power of accusation in this day and age may just get Robert removed even without much evidence. Seems like this will get ugly.

Yeah, that's the problem. You can be a complete prick to everyone and this stuff could easily be true, that he was disparaging to not only women, or different races, but anyone.

I mean saying to Amare he could easily replace him tomorrow IS disparaging. But he probably would have said it to Casey Jacobsen too.

And with Casey Jacobsen he would have at least been right.

Well I checked after I posted it because I thought Matt might not know who that was and almost replaced with Majerle until I remembered Majerle was pre Sarver....so then I checked to see when Casey was and he was traded for Jim Jackson after Sarver's first year as owner, so it WAS true!

and of course Majerle actually was traded for Hot Rod....

[Slim Charless]

Reminds me of this Sarver story that ran back in 2019 about our fantastic owner. League hasn't liked him (for VERY good reason) for awhile now. I think that they leaked this stuff and had enough of him after this Ayton debacle.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26088024/inside-phoenix-suns-messy-dysfunctional-front-office

[Mulhollanddrive]

Kardashians could buy, Booker part owner lol.

[bwgood77]

For those who can't read tweets from their device:

That's a VERY basic defense of Sarver by Jones. Seems to me like he did the bare minimum to stand up for his boss. No more, no less.

I don't really know what else he can say, not knowing what experiences others may have had. He's also always been very complimentary of working with Sarver, as has Monty. Monty could have easily gone to the Lakers just two years ago too.

[Barkley6]

For those who can't read tweets from their device:

That's a VERY basic defense of Sarver by Jones. Seems to me like he did the bare minimum to stand up for his boss. No more, no less.

Essentially it's "he's never said any of that kind of stuff to me". Which is probably true.

[Barkley6]

For those who can't read tweets from their device:

That's a VERY basic defense of Sarver by Jones. Seems to me like he did the bare minimum to stand up for his boss. No more, no less.

I don't really know what else he can say, not knowing what experiences others may have had. He's also always been very complimentary of working with Sarver, as has Monty. Monty could have easily gone to the Lakers just two years ago too.

My impression of Sarver is he knows who he can bully and who he can't. I wouldn't imagine he's a POS to high ranking executives, but more like, lower level staff. That's usually how that type of stuff happens.

[Qwigglez]

Seems fishy to me. Could be a way for a new owner to get a cheaper bid on the franchise. Bill Gates incoming..?

[bwgood77]

Sarver gonna own ESPN if they're wrong lol

We should ALL be wishing and praying that everything said about him is 1000% true and they can force him out like they did Sterling.

Please don't play with my emotions here ESPN. This needs to be real.

You HOPE these things happened? Wow, I hope people didn't have to withstand that type of behavior from an employer.

[sunsbg]

Dream of every Suns fan, so initially when I read the thread title on GB thought it's a joke.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Read on Twitter

a read on twitter worth clicking

[darealjuice]

Christmas in October

[Ghost of Kleine]

So what are the actual allegations? Would need to know those in order so I can make up my mind, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if racism/sexism would be true (even though these subjects with vaccinations and other political things are a bit overboard lately imho - and I'm pretty liberal to begin with...).

Other than this: who would be a good owner and would actually like to own a team? Musk? Bezos?

A bit off topic, But if you had to choose between the two, Who'd you prefer?

[Barkley6]

Reminds me of this Sarver story that ran back in 2019 about our fantastic owner. League hasn't liked him (for VERY good reason) for awhile now. I think that they leaked this stuff and had enough of him after this Ayton debacle.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26088024/inside-phoenix-suns-messy-dysfunctional-front-office

Reading that, it is pretty incredible where we are today and how Jones has proved the doubters wrong.

[Desertfox]

Both are terrible but Bezos prefers to stay away from the limelight and is less insane. Then again he might make the players pee in a bottle. So... neither?

[Barkley6]

Wow, the racism part is weird considering we are I think the only team with a Black GM and a Black coach. He also owns the WNBA (though some imply that owning teams comprised mostly of Black players is a form of racism and I guess they could argue the same for women...though that's going overboard).

It wouldn't surprise me though. He loved Nash. There was that Russillo piece that said that Sarver was enamored with Luka...went to see him and it was actually McD that wanted Ayton and (and he had always said they would take a big)...of course the story that everyone always jumps to is that Sarver wanted Ayton over Luka..it was all him (even though we all know McD didn't want Luka for sure...didn't even go see him).

But with Sarver, even those discussions with Raja and Amare people could take a certain way today and is treatment of people in the past in general as well. I have no idea about the women part. Never heard anything about that.

In a way it all would actually surprise me since I have never heard of this kind of stuff at all and have read so much about the Suns over the years and he hires James Jones, Monty, Terry Porter, Alvin Gentry, etc.

Two of his Senior VPs are female as well, including the Suns legal counsel, so that would also be strange.

And of course, there is, also the fact, that Jordan Schultz is about the worst source there is.

I wonder what the NBA would do if they owned the Suns like they owned the Hornets (now Pelicans).

Hopefully if a sale is forced, we get a very rich basketball savvy owner who is not terribly hands on (no pun intended).

It is possible to be racist toward a particular group and not another. Maybe Sarver isn't racist toward black people, but is toward Asian or Native people. I know people who are fully BLM, stop asian hate, etc. but make anti-Semitic comments.

Now, I'm not saying Sarver has any of these prejudices, just that whatever comments or whatever are being reported may not be directed at black people, but could still be racist.

[bwgood77]

So what are the actual allegations? Would need to know those in order so I can make up my mind, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if racism/sexism would be true (even though these subjects with vaccinations and other political things are a bit overboard lately imho - and I'm pretty liberal to begin with...).

Other than this: who would be a good owner and would actually like to own a team? Musk? Bezos?

A bit off topic, But if you had to choose between the two, Who'd you prefer?

Bezos. I want a HUGE Suns Amazon store.

[BurningHeart]

I don't care how much we hate Sarver.

Nothing about perpetual outrage mobs getting people fired and ruined and whatever else is a good thing for a healthy, functioning society.

[Barkley6]

Both are terrible but Bezos prefers to stay away from the limelight and is less insane. Then again he might make the players pee in a bottle. So... neither?

My thoughts exactly. Both of them are garbage people.

[oddity]

So what are the actual allegations? Would need to know those in order so I can make up my mind, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if racism/sexism would be true (even though these subjects with vaccinations and other political things are a bit overboard lately imho - and I'm pretty liberal to begin with...).

Other than this: who would be a good owner and would actually like to own a team? Musk? Bezos?

A bit off topic, But if you had to choose between the two, Who'd you prefer?

Musk would turn the Suns into some kind of abstract art exhibit. Bezos would use the Suns to take over the NBA. Tough call tbh

[Barkley6]

Interesting bit here on the wording of the statement:

Read on Twitter

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