If Push Came to Shove... (Irving Trade)

[NetsWorld]

Don't think the Nets pull the trigger on a Ky trade yet. I think they will wait until December/January, the smart thing to do; this way they can weigh where the team is at and what has to be done to improve the team. Don't know, but my gut now tells me Ky will be back and play for the Nets. At least he is staying in shape.

I think they will only trade him if he a) wants out b) KD/Harden get frustrated by him missing the whole season if things don't go well or c) Tsai loses patience.

Of these scenarios I think option A is most likely TBH. Personally, I fine with the way things are now and I think he will eventually get vaxed. At this point, I'm less certain if that's more hope than logic/

He doesn't want out, I highly doubt he wants to leave the Nets. For all we know, this could be the Nets way of sabotaging the league with both parties(Nets and Kyrie) conspiring to fool the league( stranger things in the world have happened). It will probably be a deal where everyone will be high on the Bucks( the narrative has shifted in that direction) and Kyrie coming back to finish the big three will be similar to the Rasheed Wallace trade to the Pistons in 2004, Everyone predicted Indiana and Nets only for Wallace to throw a wrench in that. Nothing is out of the realm of possibility and I don't think that Net Income from Nets Daily has all the inside sources as good as he is.

[Prokorov]

Don't think the Nets pull the trigger on a Ky trade yet. I think they will wait until December/January, the smart thing to do; this way they can weigh where the team is at and what has to be done to improve the team. Don't know, but my gut now tells me Ky will be back and play for the Nets. At least he is staying in shape.

I think they will only trade him if he a) wants out b) KD/Harden get frustrated by him missing the whole season if things don't go well or c) Tsai loses patience.

Of these scenarios I think option A is most likely TBH. Personally, I fine with the way things are now and I think he will eventually get vaxed. At this point, I'm less certain if that's more hope than logic/

He doesn't want out, I highly doubt he wants to leave the Nets. For all we know, this could be the Nets way of sabotaging the league with both parties(Nets and Kyrie) conspiring to fool the league( stranger things in the world have happened). It will probably be a deal where everyone will be high on the Bucks( the narrative has shifted in that direction) and Kyrie coming back to finish the big three will be similar to the Rasheed Wallace trade to the Pistons in 2004, Everyone predicted Indiana and Nets only for Wallace to throw a wrench in that. Nothing is out of the realm of possibility and I don't think that Net Income from Nets Daily has all the inside sources as good as he is.

Kyrie doesnt want out. the nets are literally the only team he wants to play for.

B wont happen. those dudes love kyrie because of this kind of thing, not inspite of it

C is the most likely by far. kyrie/tsai have had beef since day 1 with the china thing. Kyrie/Lebron were like we dont need to be here and we dont need to be ambassadors for US/China stuff. Tsai wanted his pound of flesh from morey and backed china over the NBA.

[Prokorov]

No, selfish is not taking a safe vaccine that is a communal effect for himself, family, friends and teammates. Sure he can personally decide not to take it but it's a selfish act considering he does not exist in a vacuum.

as mentioned above, there is like .000001% risk to his teammates. he has a better chance of hurting them breaking their ankle in practice on a crossover.

I'm not demanding he take the vaccine. He can do whatever he wants but all actions have consequences/repercussions. From the Nets perspective, his choice is not in line with literally everyone else on the team, coaching staff and front office.

and he has willing accepted those consequences, without grudge

[3pt_chucker]

No, selfish is not taking a safe vaccine that is a communal effect for himself, family, friends and teammates. Sure he can personally decide not to take it but it's a selfish act considering he does not exist in a vacuum.

as mentioned above, there is like .000001% risk to his teammates. he has a better chance of hurting them breaking their ankle in practice on a crossover.

I'm not demanding he take the vaccine. He can do whatever he wants but all actions have consequences/repercussions. From the Nets perspective, his choice is not in line with literally everyone else on the team, coaching staff and front office.

and he has willing accepted those consequences, without grudge

I'm not sure what you are arguing against? A virus and a physical injury are an apples to oranges comparison. Of course basic virology says if he's the only one unvaxxed then the risk or covid spreading among the team is low but that's not really the point. For it to get to that point everyone else had to get vaxxed. Pretty straight forward concept as to why it's selfish.

I've yet to see a proper counter point that explains how him not getting vaxxed is not him being selfish... Even worse is he's not actually anti-vax(his words) but wants to prove a point... except he hasn't done anything for the point he's trying to prove....

I think we can safely say by now that he doesn't really care what his actions mean for his teammates. I'm not judging the morality of that. Just pointing out the obvious.

[ecuhus1981]

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To 3pc's point, the actions of HWSNBN belie his words. Voice for the voiceless is tone deaf self-aggrandizement. He is neither pro-vaxx nor anti-vaxx, he is a man without a country in this debate and yet is taking up all of the oxygen because he desperately needs the attention. The only salient bit of information I took from his IG live rant is that he feels betrayed, that *he* believes the world was supposed to bend the rules for only him to play unvaccinated.

I swear, him and THE BEING FORMERLY KNOWN AS KANYE WEST are just trading Brinkmanship texts back and forth, saying, "hold my beer".

[MrDollarBills]

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To 3pc's point, the actions of HWSNBN belie his words. Voice for the voiceless is tone deaf self-aggrandizement. He is neither pro-vaxx nor anti-vaxx, he is a man without a country in this debate and yet is taking up all of the oxygen because he desperately needs the attention. The only salient bit of information I took from his IG live rant is that he feels betrayed, that *he* believes the world was supposed to bend the rules for only him to play unvaccinated.

I swear, him and THE BEING FORMERLY KNOWN AS KANYE WEST are just trading Brinkmanship texts back and forth, saying, "hold my beer".

He sounds like a complete moron. A "voice for the voiceless". What a load of crap. We are going on two years now of this pandemic, and the loudest, most obnoxious, selfish, and down right most sadistic people in this country have been the antimask and now antivax folks. They are vile.

They don't care about anyone else but themselves and want to pretend that they are oppressed because they actually are being asked to do something for the greater good. Absolute pieces of sh*t. Every single one of them.

The people who are voiceless are the ones who are dead through no fault of their own. The same ass holes who Kyrie wants to be a voice for, supposedly, since he's been very quiet since then, are the same ones threatening the lives of people like Dr. Anthony Fauci and his family, and putting a massive strain on our already overwhelmed Healthcare workers. As Kareem said the other day, Kyrie's entire position is asinine.

This isn't some noble cause he's taking up. It's garbage, and no surprise the only people who are in open support of him are some of the worst people on this planet like Chris Brown and Jim Jordan. Complete filth.

He's an intellectually lazy contrarian who thinks he's a special little flower that should have the rules bent in his favor.

[gigantes]

I think they will only trade him if he a) wants out b) KD/Harden get frustrated by him missing the whole season if things don't go well or c) Tsai loses patience.

Of these scenarios I think option A is most likely TBH. Personally, I fine with the way things are now and I think he will eventually get vaxed. At this point, I'm less certain if that's more hope than logic/

He doesn't want out, I highly doubt he wants to leave the Nets. For all we know, this could be the Nets way of sabotaging the league with both parties(Nets and Kyrie) conspiring to fool the league( stranger things in the world have happened). It will probably be a deal where everyone will be high on the Bucks( the narrative has shifted in that direction) and Kyrie coming back to finish the big three will be similar to the Rasheed Wallace trade to the Pistons in 2004, Everyone predicted Indiana and Nets only for Wallace to throw a wrench in that. Nothing is out of the realm of possibility and I don't think that Net Income from Nets Daily has all the inside sources as good as he is.

...C is the most likely by far. kyrie/tsai have had beef since day 1 with the china thing. Kyrie/Lebron were like we dont need to be here and we dont need to be ambassadors for US/China stuff. Tsai wanted his pound of flesh from morey and backed china over the NBA.

Small note here-- Tsai's colleague and co-founder of Alibaba, Jack Ma, has been disappeared after he dared to critique the CCP's financial regulators in late 2020.

Because one thing we know about the modern CCP is that they can't stomach any kind of critique at all. And I mean, at all. They're basically the most hypersensitive, aggressive bullies in the playground, is another way of putting it.

But the next important thing to know about the CCP is that if they're not happy with you as a mainlander living abroad, one way or another they'll find ways to get to you. Indeed, their typical starter move is to make your friends & family living in China feel increasingly uncomfortable, not unlike a hostage situation, but one where they try to BS you with smiling faces and '1984'-esque 'let's all be a happy family' language.

Point is-- I too have been pretty disappointed by Joe's pro-CCP subservience, but I can well understand why he falls in line like he do.

[MrDollarBills]

He doesn't want out, I highly doubt he wants to leave the Nets. For all we know, this could be the Nets way of sabotaging the league with both parties(Nets and Kyrie) conspiring to fool the league( stranger things in the world have happened). It will probably be a deal where everyone will be high on the Bucks( the narrative has shifted in that direction) and Kyrie coming back to finish the big three will be similar to the Rasheed Wallace trade to the Pistons in 2004, Everyone predicted Indiana and Nets only for Wallace to throw a wrench in that. Nothing is out of the realm of possibility and I don't think that Net Income from Nets Daily has all the inside sources as good as he is.

...C is the most likely by far. kyrie/tsai have had beef since day 1 with the china thing. Kyrie/Lebron were like we dont need to be here and we dont need to be ambassadors for US/China stuff. Tsai wanted his pound of flesh from morey and backed china over the NBA.

Small note here-- Tsai's colleague and co-founder of Alibaba, Jack Ma, has been disappeared after he dared to critique the CCP's financial regulators in late 2020.

Because one thing we know about the modern CCP is that they can't stomach any kind of critique at all. And I mean, at all. They're basically the most hypersensitive, aggressive bullies in the playground, is another way of putting it.

But the next important thing to know about the CCP is that if they're not happy with you as a mainlander living abroad, one way or another they'll find ways to get to you. Indeed, their typical starter move is to make your friends & family living in China feel increasingly uncomfortable, not unlike a hostage situation, but one where they try to BS you with smiling faces and '1984'-esque 'let's all be a happy family' language.

Point is-- I too have been pretty disappointed by Joe's pro-CCP subservience, but I can well understand why he falls in line like he do.

Yeah, once i saw what happened to Jack Ma, I understood 100% why Chinese expats just shut up about the CCP. It's hard for me to sit here as an American with the rights that I have to be able say whatever I want without government reprisal and say that Chinese folks should speak out when their families can be rounded up or themselves disappeared. This also doesn't include the fact that they could also go after Tsai's businesses in China (this is the reason why I would never ever buy stocks in Chinese companies).

Basically, I get it. It sucks, but I understand.

[gigantes]

Yeah, once i saw what happened to Jack Ma, I understood 100% why Chinese expats just shut up about the CCP. It's hard for me to sit here as an American with the rights that I have to be able say whatever I want without government reprisal and say that Chinese folks should speak out when their families can be rounded up or themselves disappeared. This also doesn't include the fact that they could also go after Tsai's businesses in China (this is the reason why I would never ever buy stocks in Chinese companies).

Basically, I get it. It sucks, but I understand.

TBH, this is also why LeBron shamelessly catering to the CCP kinda broke my heart. Because like many, I despised his CLE exit, then like many again, was blown away by his dedicated return and getting CLE an NBA trophy!

Like... when a Mt.Rushmore-caliber player does that, it's extra-huge, no? Not to mention, Jordan and Wilt were kinda selfish a-holes, and LeBron seemed a lot more self-aware and willing to sacrifice. But then, this CCP shizzle from him. *le sigh*

So... sorry, Mt. Rushmore players, but I think I'm leaning towards Kareem at this point.

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah, once i saw what happened to Jack Ma, I understood 100% why Chinese expats just shut up about the CCP. It's hard for me to sit here as an American with the rights that I have to be able say whatever I want without government reprisal and say that Chinese folks should speak out when their families can be rounded up or themselves disappeared. This also doesn't include the fact that they could also go after Tsai's businesses in China (this is the reason why I would never ever buy stocks in Chinese companies).

Basically, I get it. It sucks, but I understand.

TBH, this is also why LeBron shamelessly catering to the CCP kinda broke my heart. Because like many, I despised his CLE exit, then like many again, was blown away by his dedicated return and getting CLE an NBA trophy!

Like... when a Mt.Rushmore-caliber player does that, it's extra-huge, no? Not to mention, Jordan and Wilt were kinda selfish a-holes, and LeBron seemed a lot more self-aware and willing to sacrifice. But then, this CCP shizzle from him. *le sigh*

So... sorry, Mt. Rushmore players, but I think I'm leaning towards Kareem at this point.

This might be an unpopular opinion but I don't think that LeBron is obligated to speak out against the Chinese government.

[therealbig3]

Why is being mandated to get a vaccine any different than restaurants mandating that their employees wash their hands before handling food and after using the bathroom?

Never understood the difference with that one, and why people have a problem with one (mandating a vaccine when you’re a public figure doing something that puts you around a ton of people on a daily basis), but accept the other as a no brainer and not oppressive at all (food service employees having to wash their hands after using the bathroom and before touching food).

Nobody’s out here fighting the fight for the “voiceless” that are being oppressed and forced to wash their hands at the risk of losing their job. What about their right to piss on their hands and then make sandwiches for people?

[gigantes]

This might be an unpopular opinion but I don't think that LeBron is obligated to speak out against the Chinese government.

The problem isn't so much his complacency, Bill, it's his chronic toadying up to the CCP.

So, being a decent fellow in this situation would pretty much instantly cost LeBron many millions of dollars, and turn a significant fan base against him overnight, but it would also be the right thing to do IMO.

So far, I got Charles Barkley and Enes Kanter in this shizzle.

[Sharcm1]

I know the salaries don’t work and they would need another team to complete the trade but it would be great if we could trade Irving with clax to Phoenix for Ayton.

[Gooner]

This might be an unpopular opinion but I don't think that LeBron is obligated to speak out against the Chinese government.

The problem isn't so much his complacency, Bill, it's his chronic toadying up to the CCP.

So, being a decent fellow in this situation would pretty much instantly cost LeBron many millions of dollars, and turn a significant fan base against him overnight, but it would also be the right thing to do IMO.

So far, I got Charles Barkley and Enes Kanter in this shizzle.

LeBron is not Kyrie, he will not make these types of sacrifices. It's easy to be vocal when you are backed by the league and your sponsors. LeBron says whatever they tell him to say. When they told him to shut up about China, he did. When someone stands on his own, that's impressive.