Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[keynote]

Going to need to find a playmaker I think. Neto and Holiday don't really have the playmaking chops to get it done in the second unit and even Dinwiddie isn't a pure PG. We know Beal's handles anit it either

This. Who do we have who can fight through double teams? Who do we trust to handle the rock? Dinwiddie didnt prove that he was that guy in the first game of the season?

And they used Holiday at the 2 - which was the criticism for how he was used at Indiana last season. He missed all 4 of his shots and had zero assists and 3 to's. It's really hard for me to understand what Tommy was thinking in acquiring him to be the backup 2.

Once Rui returns and/or Kispert starts outplaying one of Holiday or Neto, then the situation will resolve itself. Kispert might earn bench minutes at the 2-3. But, more importantly, Rui's return will allow KCP to play more backup minutes at the 2. I don't predict seeing too many two-PG lineups a month from now.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

This. Who do we have who can fight through double teams? Who do we trust to handle the rock? Dinwiddie didnt prove that he was that guy in the first game of the season?

And they used Holiday at the 2 - which was the criticism for how he was used at Indiana last season. He missed all 4 of his shots and had zero assists and 3 to's. It's really hard for me to understand what Tommy was thinking in acquiring him to be the backup 2.

Once Rui returns and/or Kispert starts outplaying one of Holiday or Neto, then the situation will resolve itself. Kispert might earn bench minutes at the 2-3. But, more importantly, Rui's return will allow KCP to play more backup minutes at the 2. I don't predict seeing too many two-PG lineups a month from now.

IF

[gambitx777]

And they used Holiday at the 2 - which was the criticism for how he was used at Indiana last season. He missed all 4 of his shots and had zero assists and 3 to's. It's really hard for me to understand what Tommy was thinking in acquiring him to be the backup 2.

Once Rui returns and/or Kispert starts outplaying one of Holiday or Neto, then the situation will resolve itself. Kispert might earn bench minutes at the 2-3. But, more importantly, Rui's return will allow KCP to play more backup minutes at the 2. I don't predict seeing too many two-PG lineups a month from now.

IF

I think we will be ok I mean KCP is a good back up once Rui gets back and he was forced to start because Kispert has not earned this minutes yet

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[bsilver]

Houston has a bad "untradeable" contract with Eric Gordon. We have the same with Bertans. Gordon is better, but older. We could use Gordon to make up for the Holiday signing mistake, and we don't need Bertans at all. Any way that Houston would make this trade?

[queridiculo]

Houston has a bad "untradeable" contract with Eric Gordon. We have the same with Bertans. Gordon is better, but older. We could use Gordon to make up for the Holiday signing mistake, and we don't need Bertans at all. Any way that Houston would make this trade?

Holiday wasn't signed, we traded for him, and considering that Sheppard made that move knowing full well that he's in the final year of his rookie deal I am pretty sure the organization is pretty keen on him.

Bertans may or may not come around, but I doubt the Rockets would add an extra year without being incentivized.

[J-Ves]

Ok so who's ready for Beal for Simmons + other goodies??? huh huh any takers?

[J-Ves]

More seriously though. If I'm the GM of this team I'm shopping Kuzma pretty hard right now. I think even before the season started there where teams that had interest in him, but with him starting and playing well his trade stock might sky rocket. He's also signed long term which teams covet. Personally I'm not a big fan of his and think his play might be fools gold to start the season.

[payitforward]

More seriously though. If I'm the GM of this team I'm shopping Kuzma pretty hard right now. I think even before the season started there where teams that had interest in him, but with him starting and playing well his trade stock might sky rocket. He's also signed long term which teams covet. Personally I'm not a big fan of his and think his play might be fools gold to start the season.

Absolutely. I mean, the better a guy plays the more sense it makes to trade him. Plus, nothing makes more sense than to suggest trading a guy right after he won a funking game for us! No better time, really.

[J-Ves]

More seriously though. If I'm the GM of this team I'm shopping Kuzma pretty hard right now. I think even before the season started there where teams that had interest in him, but with him starting and playing well his trade stock might sky rocket. He's also signed long term which teams covet. Personally I'm not a big fan of his and think his play might be fools gold to start the season.

Absolutely. I mean, the better a guy plays the more sense it makes to trade him. Plus, nothing makes more sense than to suggest trading a guy right after he won a funking game for us! No better time, really.

Oh really!! So the better time to trade a guy is when he isn't playing well right?! Sell low, buy high is what I always say!

The truth is in a few months when he comes down to earth everybody and their mother will say we should have traded him when he had value. I'm just saying it without perfect 20/20 hindsight

[gambitx777]

More seriously though. If I'm the GM of this team I'm shopping Kuzma pretty hard right now. I think even before the season started there where teams that had interest in him, but with him starting and playing well his trade stock might sky rocket. He's also signed long term which teams covet. Personally I'm not a big fan of his and think his play might be fools gold to start the season.

Absolutely. I mean, the better a guy plays the more sense it makes to trade him. Plus, nothing makes more sense than to suggest trading a guy right after he won a funking game for us! No better time, really.

Oh really!! So the better time to trade a guy is when he isn't playing well right?! Sell low, buy high is what I always say!

The truth is in a few months when he comes down to earth everybody and their mother will say we should have traded him when he had value. I'm just saying it without perfect 20/20 hindsight

Or Kuz is a pretty good player on a team friendly deal who was really wasted with LeBron and AD taking all the attention and making him a catch and shoot guy.

Kuz was a steal for a declining Westbrook. No need to trade him right now. 2-0 if we win say 6 of the next 8 that's a contender in the east. Let it ride a bit.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Houston has a bad "untradeable" contract with Eric Gordon. We have the same with Bertans. Gordon is better, but older. We could use Gordon to make up for the Holiday signing mistake, and we don't need Bertans at all. Any way that Houston would make this trade?

Davis hit a key shot in overtime that put the Wizards ahead and they won the game. Bertans is soon going to be a hot commodity again IMO.

Rick Carlisle praised his shotmaking last night.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

More seriously though. If I'm the GM of this team I'm shopping Kuzma pretty hard right now. I think even before the season started there where teams that had interest in him, but with him starting and playing well his trade stock might sky rocket. He's also signed long term which teams covet. Personally I'm not a big fan of his and think his play might be fools gold to start the season.

Ok so who's ready for Beal for Simmons + other goodies??? huh huh any takers?

Kuzma has been terrific the first two games

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3134907/kyle-kuzma

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

More seriously though. If I'm the GM of this team I'm shopping Kuzma pretty hard right now. I think even before the season started there where teams that had interest in him, but with him starting and playing well his trade stock might sky rocket. He's also signed long term which teams covet. Personally I'm not a big fan of his and think his play might be fools gold to start the season.

Absolutely. I mean, the better a guy plays the more sense it makes to trade him. Plus, nothing makes more sense than to suggest trading a guy right after he won a funking game for us! No better time, really.

This gave me a chuckle!

[TGW]

More seriously though. If I'm the GM of this team I'm shopping Kuzma pretty hard right now. I think even before the season started there where teams that had interest in him, but with him starting and playing well his trade stock might sky rocket. He's also signed long term which teams covet. Personally I'm not a big fan of his and think his play might be fools gold to start the season.

Absolutely. I mean, the better a guy plays the more sense it makes to trade him. Plus, nothing makes more sense than to suggest trading a guy right after he won a funking game for us! No better time, really.

Oh please. You know damn well there's enough sample size to know exactly what type of player Kuzma is. Two games doesn't change that.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

More seriously though. If I'm the GM of this team I'm shopping Kuzma pretty hard right now. I think even before the season started there where teams that had interest in him, but with him starting and playing well his trade stock might sky rocket. He's also signed long term which teams covet. Personally I'm not a big fan of his and think his play might be fools gold to start the season.

Absolutely. I mean, the better a guy plays the more sense it makes to trade him. Plus, nothing makes more sense than to suggest trading a guy right after he won a funking game for us! No better time, really.

Oh please. You know damn well there's enough sample size to know exactly what type of player Kuzma is. Two games doesn't change that.

I’m getting a Trevor Ariza vibe from Kuzma. I remember how hot he started in his second season with us. We all thought he’d return to career norms BUT he stayed hot. Not just that year but in future years with the Rox.

Small sample size, certainly. But, with a new squad, a new coach and more confidence, could he have turned a corner?

Stay tuned.

[DCZards]

More seriously though. If I'm the GM of this team I'm shopping Kuzma pretty hard right now. I think even before the season started there where teams that had interest in him, but with him starting and playing well his trade stock might sky rocket. He's also signed long term which teams covet. Personally I'm not a big fan of his and think his play might be fools gold to start the season.

But what if it isn’t fool’s good? What if playing for a different team, with different teammates, with a different role, and for a different coach changes Kuzma’s career trajectory in a positive way? It wouldn’t be the first time that happened in the NBA.

I said before the season that Kuzma was the off-season pickup that I was most intrigued by. I still am. Kyle is 26 years old and on a good contract. It would be a mistake, imo, to trade him at this point. I want to see more.

Could turn out that he’s a keeper.

[J-Ves]

More seriously though. If I'm the GM of this team I'm shopping Kuzma pretty hard right now. I think even before the season started there where teams that had interest in him, but with him starting and playing well his trade stock might sky rocket. He's also signed long term which teams covet. Personally I'm not a big fan of his and think his play might be fools gold to start the season.

But what if it isn’t fool’s good? What if playing for a different team, with different teammates, with a different role, and for a different coach changes his career trajectory in a positive way? It wouldn’t be the first time that happened in the NBA.

I said before the season that Kuzma was the off-season pickup that I was most intrigued by. Kyle is 26 years old and on a good contract. It would be a mistake, imo, to trade him at this point. I want to see more.

Could turn out that he’s a keeper.

Personally I’m a Kuzma anti. I’d like to bet against the possibility of him actually being good if at all possible because I don’t think he’s actually good.

The thing is if the Wiz decide to keep him and he turns out the be a solid player like he’s looked in the first 2 games I’ll happily eat crow and even learn to like the guy.

Until then I say this is fool’s gold.

[NatP4]

So can we trade Rui and Deni for Ben Simmons?

Dinwiddie Holiday
Beal Neto
KCP Kispert
Simmons Bertans Kuzma
Gafford Harrell

We have plenty of shooting to make that work.

[J-Ves]

So can we trade Rui and Deni for Ben Simmons?

Dinwiddie Holiday
Beal Neto
KCP Kispert
Simmons Bertans Kuzma
Gafford Harrell

We have plenty of shooting to make that work.

Morey has stated he won’t trade Simmons for anything less than a difference maker. And even if he ends up trading him away for role players it’s going to be for win now guys not developing players.

[NatP4]

Eventually, his hands will be tied, right? That Simmons situation just keeps getting uglier. Getting a couple former top 10 picks is a good return all things considered.

We’d have to add filler of course. Probably Kuzma and Bryant or Harrell.