RS 21/22 - Mavs @ Hawks (Oct. 21. 7:30PM EST, TNT)

[Maverick41]

Do you think if Luka really loved playing for Carlisle that Carlisle would still be here?


How good of a coach can you be when your star players don't fight for you to stay and coach the team?

How do you know that he didn't? RC quit, he wasn't fired. Luka's the star of the team but he can't force someone to stay.

[Darren]

Both KP and Powell are limited on both end. That's the problem. Athletic C and athletic stretch PF is always problematic combination against the Mavs frontcourt. Worst still, KP and Powel can't get anything going with athletic player defending. Maybe it's time to call up Eugene. This roster is too limited. A draymond Green and a Steph Curry are needed.

[Pinkyring]

Porzingis is not a center the problem is this front office(Cuban) is too dumb to put a competent big next to him like they failed to do with dirk for 10 years. Kp is soft as was young Dirk so instead of masking that ala Chandler, you put other soft bigs next to him, bradley, lafrenz, eshmeyer, Powell, wcs, maxi, boban. None of which rebound defend or provide any toughness. Its just laughable. the idea that Powell and dfs are starters is a joke, both are 15-18 minute backups that have zero business starting on a playoff team, seriously who else would they start for? Id rather see us tank and get a lotto pick than an 8th seed and swept with this mediocre roster.

[DJ_3_Ball]

Do you think if Luka really loved playing for Carlisle that Carlisle would still be here?


How good of a coach can you be when your star players don't fight for you to stay and coach the team?

How do you know that he didn't? RC quit, he wasn't fired. Luka's the star of the team but he can't force someone to stay.

I literally can't deal with the amount of casual fans on this form who INSIST on this foolish notion that star NBA players have no power and are nothing more than good players who have the privilege to play on the team, like this is high school or something, and the coach is all powerful.

I'm done entertaining that foolishness. Ya'll need a reality check.

[Maverick41]

I literally can't deal with the amount of casual fans on this form who INSIST on this foolish notion that star NBA players have no power and are nothing more than good players who have the privilege to play on the team, like this is high school or something, and the coach is all powerful.

I'm done entertaining that foolishness. Ya'll need a reality check.

You are really overreacting and needlessly demeaning people. Does Luka have power on the team? Absolutely, easily more then anyone not Cuban, everyone knows that. That doesn't mean he's LeBron and uses it every chance he gets.

[Mr B]

For me, this isn't about trashing our players but giving credit to the Hawks FO. They did a great job of building that team and are set up nicely for both the present and the future.

Yea I agree, there’s nothing wrong with recognizing the Hawks for putting together a great team. Personally I hope they win the East and really like what they’ve done with their team.

As for the Mavs, it’s still early. This was 1 game. It honestly is going to take a few games for Kidd to settle in on his rotation. Obviously you would like this done before the season starts however it’s not uncommon. There have been several times where Carlisle would be 10 games into the season before he settled on a rotation.

The Mavs have practically the same team as the last 2 years. They didnt get any stars that you need to adapt your style of play to. They got Bullock and Brown, roleplayers who are plug and play guys. This is just an excuse for the bad game they had yesterday. This style of basketball works when you have better players than the Mavs do. KP is not a #2, that has been clear for a while now but it seems only Mavs cant see that. They should offer him to Philly for Simmons. Throw in some picks if you can. Simmons would be way more valuable to this team than KP with his defense and playmaking.

You got all that from 1 game? Just because they are the same players doesn’t mean Kidd will play them exactly the same way. KP is a perfect example of that. They have to build chemistry with the new staff and style of play. Plus Kidd needs to figure out who should be starting with Luka and who should be coming off the bench. It’s been 1 game, there’s no need to burn the whole thing to the ground.

[agentofatlas]

The shooting numbers themself just show this was an off night. I like how DFS was doing more than usual. KP seems more into it, but he got owned by Collins, who plays so well. If they made their shot nobody would go crazy, but it was just an off-night for everybody.

This article pretty good explains that only bad shooting night is not what happened yesterday.

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/10/22/22739807/the-mavericks-offense-showed-numerous-red-flags-in-their-season-opener

They got some points, but imo. we saw a lot of good things. Like the post up with Finney-Smith. They said he only did two post up last season. I think they should post him when he got a tiny defender on him. I just think the Hawks played excellent defence blocking everything that was supposed to be easy. Like the Powell cut to the basket on the first post up or when DFS cuts at the 4:10 mark and get destroyed. He also misses a lot of open 3 pointers that he usually makes.

Watch on YouTube

Posting up DFS is a crime against good basketball. It's not his game. If we want him to be more involve or active then Kidd should run plays where he should cut more or maybe run some pnr as the screener. Honestly only Luka and Boban should be posting up on this team.

[agentofatlas]

This article pretty good explains that only bad shooting night is not what happened yesterday.

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/10/22/22739807/the-mavericks-offense-showed-numerous-red-flags-in-their-season-opener

They got some points, but imo. we saw a lot of good things. Like the post up with Finney-Smith. They said he only did two post up last season. I think they should post him when he got a tiny defender on him. I just think the Hawks played excellent defence blocking everything that was supposed to be easy. Like the Powell cut to the basket on the first post up or when DFS cuts at the 4:10 mark and get destroyed. He also misses a lot of open 3 pointers that he usually makes.

Watch on YouTube

Since when DFS posting up, a good thing? That is not his game! He doesn't have the skill and the passing to make it effective! Lol.

They all wanted KP to do great. Heck, baby him. And even throw Luka under the bus by telling the media that he should trust his teammates more. Lol. I'm all in to lower Luka's usage rate BUT only when you have the right personnel to do it!! Who is going to initiate the offense when Luka playing off ball? Hahaha!

Cuban is a clown. The media will never blame his as*. It will be all Luka's fault! Heck, the gambler Bob even said that Luka never flexes his muscles with the management because he's not that type of guy. But the media will continue to blame him instead of Cuban. Lol.

This right there is what annoyed me about this Luka ball bull. I really don't get why the management came up with this narrative that he needs to lower his usage when the team can't afford to do so.

The key to this team is for Luka to establish himself early and for everyone to go with his flow not him setting up DFS or even KP.

[agentofatlas]

Porzingis is not a center the problem is this front office(Cuban) is too dumb to put a competent big next to him like they failed to do with dirk for 10 years. Kp is soft as was young Dirk so instead of masking that ala Chandler, you put other soft bigs next to him, bradley, lafrenz, eshmeyer, Powell, wcs, maxi, boban. None of which rebound defend or provide any toughness. Its just laughable. the idea that Powell and dfs are starters is a joke, both are 15-18 minute backups that have zero business starting on a playoff team, seriously who else would they start for? Id rather see us tank and get a lotto pick than an 8th seed and swept with this mediocre roster.

Dude come on. KP no way near Dirk. Young Dirk was even better than prime KP.

[Pinkyring]

Porzingis is not a center the problem is this front office(Cuban) is too dumb to put a competent big next to him like they failed to do with dirk for 10 years. Kp is soft as was young Dirk so instead of masking that ala Chandler, you put other soft bigs next to him, bradley, lafrenz, eshmeyer, Powell, wcs, maxi, boban. None of which rebound defend or provide any toughness. Its just laughable. the idea that Powell and dfs are starters is a joke, both are 15-18 minute backups that have zero business starting on a playoff team, seriously who else would they start for? Id rather see us tank and get a lotto pick than an 8th seed and swept with this mediocre roster.

Dude come on. KP no way near Dirk. Young Dirk was even better than prime KP.

I didn't compare their talent at all anywhere just they were both soft finesse guys

[agentofatlas]

Porzingis is not a center the problem is this front office(Cuban) is too dumb to put a competent big next to him like they failed to do with dirk for 10 years. Kp is soft as was young Dirk so instead of masking that ala Chandler, you put other soft bigs next to him, bradley, lafrenz, eshmeyer, Powell, wcs, maxi, boban. None of which rebound defend or provide any toughness. Its just laughable. the idea that Powell and dfs are starters is a joke, both are 15-18 minute backups that have zero business starting on a playoff team, seriously who else would they start for? Id rather see us tank and get a lotto pick than an 8th seed and swept with this mediocre roster.

Dude come on. KP no way near Dirk. Young Dirk was even better than prime KP.

I didn't compare their talent at all anywhere just they were both soft finesse guys

That's just it. Their games are completely different. While both are 'finesse' guys, Dirk was a way more physical. I mean young Dirk can actually grab and go. And for a "soft guy" he got to the line plenty and often. Didn't even complain when we had to play center.

KP's game is more Raef Lafrentz to me. Meaning it's best suited at the 5 spot. All this power forward bull should stop.

[ejs78]

The Lakers don't look good..... maybe they are missing Kidd

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[DJ_3_Ball]

I literally can't deal with the amount of casual fans on this form who INSIST on this foolish notion that star NBA players have no power and are nothing more than good players who have the privilege to play on the team, like this is high school or something, and the coach is all powerful.

I'm done entertaining that foolishness. Ya'll need a reality check.

You are really overreacting and needlessly demeaning people. Does Luka have power on the team? Absolutely, easily more then anyone not Cuban, everyone knows that. That doesn't mean he's LeBron and uses it every chance he gets.

Not trying to be demeaning. Just frustrated with some of the bad faith arguments that have been used ad nauseam here. But, honestly I should take a different approach.

Serious question: What are the most illuminating/informative articles, interviews, etc (news sources) you've read about the Mavericks? Because I often times feel like we're not all operating under the same knowledge base.

In particular, Bob Voulgaris addresses Luka's "power" within the franchise in quite a bit of a detail in his recent ESPN Daily podcast interview. That's a must listen for anyone who's serious on this forum and weighs in with strong opinions. Just like the The Athletic article by Tim Cato was a must read.

[ejs78]

I literally can't deal with the amount of casual fans on this form who INSIST on this foolish notion that star NBA players have no power and are nothing more than good players who have the privilege to play on the team, like this is high school or something, and the coach is all powerful.

I'm done entertaining that foolishness. Ya'll need a reality check.

You are really overreacting and needlessly demeaning people. Does Luka have power on the team? Absolutely, easily more then anyone not Cuban, everyone knows that. That doesn't mean he's LeBron and uses it every chance he gets.

Not trying to be demeaning. Just frustrated with some of the bad faith arguments that have been used ad nauseam here. But, honestly I should take a different approach.

Serious question: What are the most illuminating/informative articles, interviews, etc (news sources) you've read about the Mavericks? Because I often times feel like we're not all operating under the same knowledge base.

In particular, Bob Voulgaris addresses Luka's "power" within the franchise in quite a bit of a detail in his recent ESPN Daily podcast interview. That's a must listen for anyone who's serious on this forum and weighs in with strong opinions. Just like the The Athletic article by Tim Cato was a must read.

You talking about today's Hoop Collective pod with Windhorst?

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[DJ_3_Ball]

You talking about today's Hoop Collective pod with Windhorst?

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I'm sure they were talking about it on the Hoop Collective because it was a big interview and on their own network, ESPN Daily podcast (that's the name of the podcast, like Hoop Collective).

Tim Macmahon wrote an article which I linked & linked to the podcast in the Voulgaris thread that leolozen started. Check it out there. It's 60 minutes very well spent imo

[Maverick41]

Not trying to be demeaning. Just frustrated with some of the bad faith arguments that have been used ad nauseam here. But, honestly I should take a different approach.

Serious question: What are the most illuminating/informative articles, interviews, etc (news sources) you've read about the Mavericks? Because I often times feel like we're not all operating under the same knowledge base.

Appreciate the ownership of taking a more mature approach. We all are frustrated and want what's best for the team at the end of the day.

I agree with The Athletic providing good articles as I have subscribed to them for years. Their podcasts in particular are played quite often on my daily drives. I'm a fan of the Lowe Post, Dunc'd On, All Things Mavs, etc as well.

[DJ_3_Ball]

Not trying to be demeaning. Just frustrated with some of the bad faith arguments that have been used ad nauseam here. But, honestly I should take a different approach.

Serious question: What are the most illuminating/informative articles, interviews, etc (news sources) you've read about the Mavericks? Because I often times feel like we're not all operating under the same knowledge base.

Appreciate the ownership of taking a more mature approach. We all are frustrated and want what's best for the team at the end of the day.

I agree with The Athletic providing good articles as I have subscribed to them for years. Their podcasts in particular are played quite often on my daily drives. I'm a fan of the Lowe Post, Dunc'd On, All Things Mavs, etc as well.

I listen to the Lowe Post and Hoop Collective quite a bit. Did you listen to the Voulgaris interview he did on the ESPN daily podcast? Every Mavs fan should listen to it imo.

[Mr B]

Not trying to be demeaning. Just frustrated with some of the bad faith arguments that have been used ad nauseam here. But, honestly I should take a different approach.

Serious question: What are the most illuminating/informative articles, interviews, etc (news sources) you've read about the Mavericks? Because I often times feel like we're not all operating under the same knowledge base.

Appreciate the ownership of taking a more mature approach. We all are frustrated and want what's best for the team at the end of the day.

I agree with The Athletic providing good articles as I have subscribed to them for years. Their podcasts in particular are played quite often on my daily drives. I'm a fan of the Lowe Post, Dunc'd On, All Things Mavs, etc as well.

I listen to the Lowe Post and Hoop Collective quite a bit. Did you listen to the Voulgaris interview he did on the ESPN daily podcast? Every Mavs fan should listen to it imo.

Vegas Bob obviously knows a lot about what went in behind the scenes however I think you also have to take what he says with a grain of salt. This is a guy that Luka basically ran out of the building. Cuban was paying him tons of money and gave him tons of leeway but all that came to an end when Luka started to not like him. Cuban made a choice to side with Luka instead of him which ended his cush job. So Vegas Bob is not exactly going to paint a pretty picture when it comes to the Mavs. Is there some truth to what he said? I’m sure there is but it’s definitely going to be a one sided story.

[Mr B]

Not trying to be demeaning. Just frustrated with some of the bad faith arguments that have been used ad nauseam here. But, honestly I should take a different approach.

Serious question: What are the most illuminating/informative articles, interviews, etc (news sources) you've read about the Mavericks? Because I often times feel like we're not all operating under the same knowledge base.

Appreciate the ownership of taking a more mature approach. We all are frustrated and want what's best for the team at the end of the day.

I agree with The Athletic providing good articles as I have subscribed to them for years. Their podcasts in particular are played quite often on my daily drives. I'm a fan of the Lowe Post, Dunc'd On, All Things Mavs, etc as well.

I follow all them on Twitter. I also follow all the local radio guys, Mavs beat writers and all the national “experts”.

[XTraderXL]

Yea I agree, there’s nothing wrong with recognizing the Hawks for putting together a great team. Personally I hope they win the East and really like what they’ve done with their team.

As for the Mavs, it’s still early. This was 1 game. It honestly is going to take a few games for Kidd to settle in on his rotation. Obviously you would like this done before the season starts however it’s not uncommon. There have been several times where Carlisle would be 10 games into the season before he settled on a rotation.

The Mavs have practically the same team as the last 2 years. They didnt get any stars that you need to adapt your style of play to. They got Bullock and Brown, roleplayers who are plug and play guys. This is just an excuse for the bad game they had yesterday. This style of basketball works when you have better players than the Mavs do. KP is not a #2, that has been clear for a while now but it seems only Mavs cant see that. They should offer him to Philly for Simmons. Throw in some picks if you can. Simmons would be way more valuable to this team than KP with his defense and playmaking.

You got all that from 1 game? Just because they are the same players doesn’t mean Kidd will play them exactly the same way. KP is a perfect example of that. They have to build chemistry with the new staff and style of play. Plus Kidd needs to figure out who should be starting with Luka and who should be coming off the bench. It’s been 1 game, there’s no need to burn the whole thing to the ground.

Yes, I got all this from one game. You cant play any differently than last year if you have the same team if you want to win. Carlisle knew exactly why he put KP in the corner. We saw what he is yesterday. That was the optimal style of play for this group of players. They tried something different vs Hawks and got demolished. Chemistry? I thought the chemistry was totally different than last season, everyone was so excited about how different it feels. To be honest there was a difference but, it looked worse than last year

This team is not winning a playoff series as they didnt get better players and they have a worse coach. If they dont put the ball in Lukas hands soon, they might end up in the play in. Maximizing this team means having Luka playing like he did under Carlisle. Anything else is wishful thinking with these players. You cant play any differently if nobody outside Luka can even dribble the ball and you dont have a #2. They may not even have a legit #3.