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2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation

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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation + Legal Situation 

Post#261 » by bigfoot » Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:55 am

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:What would really suck in all this is what was already postulated by Bwgood. If the Starbucks owner's son who sold the Sonics to Bennett bought the team and then moved it to Seattle!

Could we seriously lose our team in the process? Seattle fans are absurdly pining and promoting this idea too! :nonono:


Fortunately, the Suns just signed a lease with the City of Phoenix that keeps them around through 2037.


Seriously though?? Was that in conjunction with the arena rebuild or something?


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Post#262 » by TeamTragic » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:18 am

Flex says story early next week. Also Sarver is ****.
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Re: possible Sarver legal issues 

Post#263 » by King4Day » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:19 am

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King4Day wrote:I don't get the feeling this is true. It'll be a long battle but I sense he'll be cleared. Perhaps a ton of angry Phoenicians banned together to come up with a story so we could get a new owner..

At first I was excited but if this is all BS, I hope everyone pays for it dearly and Sarver sues everyone

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What about Sarver makes you think that he's above these kinds of things? Big Time Bobby is too good of a person to be racist/sexist......not sure where you're going with that thinking.


Not saying it's not possible but I just have a hard time seeing it. Sexist and Racist are really harsh allegations.
Just odd there hasn't been a single instance of anything like this before and then suddenly, he has 50 someodd people coming forward.
I don't foresee this being a quick turnaround. He's going to fight it and he's not giving this team up easily.
That evidence must be heavy (emails, video, etc)
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation + Legal Situation 

Post#264 » by lilfishi22 » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:29 am

Being cheap generally doesn't come with sexist/racist behaviour. I know Slim isn't a fan of Sarver (few people are) but it's a pretty serious allegation and I just don't see being cheap and sexist/racist being connected.

I don't really know what's going on but despite the potentially positive outcomes (Sarver selling), I really wished we didn't have this in he background
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Post#265 » by Slim Charless » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:42 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Being cheap generally doesn't come with sexist/racist behaviour. I know Slim isn't a fan of Sarver (few people are) but it's a pretty serious allegation and I just don't see being cheap and sexist/racist being connected.

I don't really know what's going on but despite the potentially positive outcomes (Sarver selling), I really wished we didn't have this in he background


*Not a fan of is an understatement.

That said, I don't want people to have to suffer. If this is true he needs to go-and I would say that no matter who we were talking about.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation + Legal Situation 

Post#266 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:02 am

bigfoot wrote:
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Fortunately, the Suns just signed a lease with the City of Phoenix that keeps them around through 2037.


Seriously though?? Was that in conjunction with the arena rebuild or something?


Yep


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Post#267 » by bwgood77 » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:57 am

GoranTragic wrote:Flex says story early next week. Also Sarver is ****.


Pretty crazy he now has sources with ESPN's editing team.
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Re: possible Sarver legal issues 

Post#268 » by bwgood77 » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:06 am

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King4Day wrote:I don't get the feeling this is true. It'll be a long battle but I sense he'll be cleared. Perhaps a ton of angry Phoenicians banned together to come up with a story so we could get a new owner..

At first I was excited but if this is all BS, I hope everyone pays for it dearly and Sarver sues everyone

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What about Sarver makes you think that he's above these kinds of things? Big Time Bobby is too good of a person to be racist/sexist......not sure where you're going with that thinking.


Not saying it's not possible but I just have a hard time seeing it. Sexist and Racist are really harsh allegations.
Just odd there hasn't been a single instance of anything like this before and then suddenly, he has 50 someodd people coming forward.
I don't foresee this being a quick turnaround. He's going to fight it and he's not giving this team up easily.
That evidence must be heavy (emails, video, etc)


I was thinking there must not be a lot of evidence or they wouldn't have come up with such definitive rebuttal statements...and a harsh one on the writer by Jason Crowley. I saw Baxter Holmes was mentioned so I looked him up and his resume is pretty impressive.

It they don't have solid information and evidence, they could pull the story too, though if Gambo is right and they talked to 50 people, that seems like a lot of work. But then again, he said interviewed...45 could have said.."I've had no problem"...

None of the sources so far are good.

But for Sarver and company to come out with such harsh rebuttals, they MUST have gotten a copy of the story for their comments, because they responses came off as being about details he said were not true. He couldn't and wouldn't have responded like that if he hadn't read the story...or at least gotten an outline of it..major bullet points or something. Because they will always ask for comments from the person (and usually it's "no comment" when you read the story if it's negative). So it must be damning. His response statement won't look good if there are emails though. I kind of have a hard time buying it too even though I am far from a fan of Sarver. He still may be forced to sell...or the NBA may try their hardest to avoid the negative publicity it brings.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation + Legal Situation 

Post#269 » by Cactus Jack » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:09 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:What would really suck in all this is what was already postulated by Bwgood. If the Starbucks owner's son who sold the Sonics to Bennett bought the team and then moved it to Seattle!

Could we seriously lose our team in the process? Seattle fans are absurdly pining and promoting this idea too! :nonono:

I made a post on the GB in response to this same idea. Thought I'd share it here!

Cactus Jack wrote:Howard (Schultz) doesn't have any interest in owning an NBA team again. He was about as clueless as one could be when he owned & ran the Sonics. He tried to run the team like he ran Starbucks. Which didn't work & pissed off a lot of people in the process. He then later realized that he made a mistake of buying the team. When he sold it, he was done with the NBA. Didn't want anything to do with owning a professional sports team. His reputation might improve if he did get involved. But he's not.

The bottom line is that the league will look to expand in the near future. Seattle currently has an active ownership group (Kraken) that is & has been in talks with the league regarding expansion. The group involved has a new arena (Climate pledge) that the expansion NHL team will play their first game in tomorrow.


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The plan is to bring the NBA back (via expansion). There are no current plans to buy & relocate a team to Seattle.

Here's a recent quote from Silver regarding expansion.

On the topic of expansion, Silver said he has yet to set foot in Seattle's Climate Pledge Arena, the renovated former Key Arena and the home of the NHL's expansion team, the Seattle Kraken. He added that expansion isn't something the league will pursue until it gets fully onto the other side of the pandemic.

"I don't think there's any doubt that at some point we'll take a very serious look at potential expansion," Silver said, "and as I've said before, Seattle is one of those cities that we have our eye on. We had great success there in the past, and the fact now that they have a state-of-the-art arena back on line only increases their prospects. But it's premature to get more specific than that."


There's really nothing to worry about in regards to relocation. It's just not in the cards!
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Post#270 » by bwoolf2 » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:14 am

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:What would really suck in all this is what was already postulated by Bwgood. If the Starbucks owner's son who sold the Sonics to Bennett bought the team and then moved it to Seattle!

Could we seriously lose our team in the process? Seattle fans are absurdly pining and promoting this idea too! :nonono:

I made a post on the GB in response to this same idea. Thought I'd share it here!

Cactus Jack wrote:Howard (Schultz) doesn't have any interest in owning an NBA team again. He was about as clueless as one could be when he owned & ran the Sonics. He tried to run the team like he ran Starbucks. Which didn't work & pissed off a lot of people in the process. He then later realized that he made a mistake of buying the team. When he sold it, he was done with the NBA. Didn't want anything to do with owning a professional sports team. His reputation might improve if he did get involved. But he's not.

The bottom line is that the league will look to expand in the near future. Seattle currently has an active ownership group (Kraken) that is & has been in talks with the league regarding expansion. The group involved has a new arena (Climate pledge) that the expansion NHL team will play their first game in tomorrow.


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The plan is to bring the NBA back (via expansion). There are no current plans to buy & relocate a team to Seattle.

Here's a recent quote from Silver regarding expansion.

On the topic of expansion, Silver said he has yet to set foot in Seattle's Climate Pledge Arena, the renovated former Key Arena and the home of the NHL's expansion team, the Seattle Kraken. He added that expansion isn't something the league will pursue until it gets fully onto the other side of the pandemic.

"I don't think there's any doubt that at some point we'll take a very serious look at potential expansion," Silver said, "and as I've said before, Seattle is one of those cities that we have our eye on. We had great success there in the past, and the fact now that they have a state-of-the-art arena back on line only increases their prospects. But it's premature to get more specific than that."


There's really nothing to worry about in regards to relocation. It's just not in the cards!


Ya no way they relocate a team from the 5th largest city in the US to a smaller market.
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Post#271 » by Cactus Jack » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:42 am

bwoolf2 wrote:Ya no way they relocate a team from the 5th largest city in the US to a smaller market.

The Suns aren't moving.

The expectation is that Seattle & likely Las Vegas will both receive expansion teams in the not too distant future. But again, the Suns or any current team for that matter aren't on the city's radar. Relocation is just not realistic at this stage.

But market size does not factor here. It's just not how these things work. If that we're the case, then a city like OKC wouldn't currently have a team. If you don't have an adequate arena in place. Which is a problem that the Suns don't seem to currently have. Then it doesn't matter the city/market size. Fwiw Seattle has the 12th largest metro in the States. OKC is much much smaller.

L.A. went 20 years without an NFL team because it lacked an adequate stadium to host a team. Same thing has happened in Seattle regarding the NBA & an Arena.
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Post#272 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:13 am

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Post#273 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:22 am

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:What would really suck in all this is what was already postulated by Bwgood. If the Starbucks owner's son who sold the Sonics to Bennett bought the team and then moved it to Seattle!

Could we seriously lose our team in the process? Seattle fans are absurdly pining and promoting this idea too! :nonono:

I made a post on the GB in response to this same idea. Thought I'd share it here!

Cactus Jack wrote:Howard (Schultz) doesn't have any interest in owning an NBA team again. He was about as clueless as one could be when he owned & ran the Sonics. He tried to run the team like he ran Starbucks. Which didn't work & pissed off a lot of people in the process. He then later realized that he made a mistake of buying the team. When he sold it, he was done with the NBA. Didn't want anything to do with owning a professional sports team. His reputation might improve if he did get involved. But he's not.

The bottom line is that the league will look to expand in the near future. Seattle currently has an active ownership group (Kraken) that is & has been in talks with the league regarding expansion. The group involved has a new arena (Climate pledge) that the expansion NHL team will play their first game in tomorrow.


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The plan is to bring the NBA back (via expansion). There are no current plans to buy & relocate a team to Seattle.

Here's a recent quote from Silver regarding expansion.

On the topic of expansion, Silver said he has yet to set foot in Seattle's Climate Pledge Arena, the renovated former Key Arena and the home of the NHL's expansion team, the Seattle Kraken. He added that expansion isn't something the league will pursue until it gets fully onto the other side of the pandemic.

"I don't think there's any doubt that at some point we'll take a very serious look at potential expansion," Silver said, "and as I've said before, Seattle is one of those cities that we have our eye on. We had great success there in the past, and the fact now that they have a state-of-the-art arena back on line only increases their prospects. But it's premature to get more specific than that."


There's really nothing to worry about in regards to relocation. It's just not in the cards!

Thanks for the comforting info. For what it's worth, I miss Seattle having a team, and hope that you guys get one again very soon! It was always awesome to play against the Sonics in the playoffs. Man the good ol' days of Shawn Kemp, Payton, Cage, McMillan and Schrempf.

Anyways, Thanks for the info share. :thumbsup:
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Post#274 » by Bogyo » Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:24 am

Still nothing firm on the Sarver story. In this day of age that means more smoke than fire. Also the strong response (wording, etc) from his team probably means that they have a lot of info about it and some (most of the big allegations) are false, or they can fight them easy. They will too, and he likely will not be forced to sell...

So what likely happened is that Bobby is just a giant gaping aaaahole (what we all know). He probably offended a lot of people during his tenure here, and some of those people were women, or asians/jews/LGBT/black/latino. Some of them felt that his insults and his actions towards them was some kind of racism, or phobia. By now enough of these stories have piled up that somebody tried to make it into something that its not (really, maaaybe a bit but you can't prove it as he is an arrogant jerk towards everybody, not just minorities). That's why ESPN is not airing the story - they probably never will, or it will just be a watered down something about how Bobby is not the nicest human being. We'll be stuck with him for longer, as the media boys have cried wolf one too many times. :(

About possible new owners: not sure I'd like either. Maybe Bezos if he just doesn't care about us enough, just dumps the cash on the franchise and let's the basketball people do their thing. I'd see more of a chance of that with him than Musk. I've seen somebody mention the Saudi, as they go all out in soccer nowadays... True, but the thing is that they only do that for diplomacy, they have been trying to get back on the right side of public eye since they slaughtered and butchered a reporter into pieces and moved his pieces in suitcases so they wouldn't get caught with the body... on the orders of their Sheik who might have been watching this whole thing live... not something I'd love my team to be associated with, even tho the money they shell out is crazy...
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Post#275 » by Saberestar » Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:46 am

For what I have seen in the Suns statement and their position in this situation I think Sarver will be OK after all of this story.

Probably just some enemies working together against Sarver or probably there is truth behind all of this, obviously IDK at all, but if the Suns PR is saying what he said in Twitter about these news after knowing a lot of information about it changes will not be made and this will just be an anecdote.
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Post#276 » by RaisingArizona » Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:40 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:FLEX From Jersey (@FlexFromJersey) Tweeted:
I'm told from source close to the situation that this ESPN story is scheduled to be released on Tuesday. Won't get into details other then to say this is a serious situation involving real people on both sides. Simply reporting what I've been told over the past week. Just Wait!
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Post#277 » by Barkley6 » Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:11 pm

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bwoolf2 wrote:Ya no way they relocate a team from the 5th largest city in the US to a smaller market.

The Suns aren't moving.

The expectation is that Seattle & likely Las Vegas will both receive expansion teams in the not too distant future. But again, the Suns or any current team for that matter aren't on the city's radar. Relocation is just not realistic at this stage.

But market size does not factor here. It's just not how these things work. If that we're the case, then a city like OKC wouldn't currently have a team. If you don't have an adequate arena in place. Which is a problem that the Suns don't seem to currently have. Then it doesn't matter the city/market size. Fwiw Seattle has the 12th largest metro in the States. OKC is much much smaller.

L.A. went 20 years without an NFL team because it lacked an adequate stadium to host a team. Same thing has happened in Seattle regarding the NBA & an Arena.


If Seattle and LV get added, they will have to move a team from the West to the East. Which would either be Memphis or New Orleans. Memphis makes the most sense, but if it's NO, watch the conspiracy theorists come out in full force to explain that this a league plan to get Zion to the playoffs.
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Post#278 » by Barkley6 » Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:25 pm

Bogyo wrote:Still nothing firm on the Sarver story. In this day of age that means more smoke than fire. Also the strong response (wording, etc) from his team probably means that they have a lot of info about it and some (most of the big allegations) are false, or they can fight them easy. They will too, and he likely will not be forced to sell...

So what likely happened is that Bobby is just a giant gaping aaaahole (what we all know). He probably offended a lot of people during his tenure here, and some of those people were women, or asians/jews/LGBT/black/latino. Some of them felt that his insults and his actions towards them was some kind of racism, or phobia. By now enough of these stories have piled up that somebody tried to make it into something that its not (really, maaaybe a bit but you can't prove it as he is an arrogant jerk towards everybody, not just minorities). That's why ESPN is not airing the story - they probably never will, or it will just be a watered down something about how Bobby is not the nicest human being. We'll be stuck with him for longer, as the media boys have cried wolf one too many times. :(

About possible new owners: not sure I'd like either. Maybe Bezos if he just doesn't care about us enough, just dumps the cash on the franchise and let's the basketball people do their thing. I'd see more of a chance of that with him than Musk. I've seen somebody mention the Saudi, as they go all out in soccer nowadays... True, but the thing is that they only do that for diplomacy, they have been trying to get back on the right side of public eye since they slaughtered and butchered a reporter into pieces and moved his pieces in suitcases so they wouldn't get caught with the body... on the orders of their Sheik who might have been watching this whole thing live... not something I'd love my team to be associated with, even tho the money they shell out is crazy...


They probably know some of the allegations because I'm sure ESPN asked Sarver to comment, but they won't have gotten a copy of the sources, the receipts so to speak. Sarver may think he can beat it based on what the reporter asked him to comment on, but if texts, emails, phone calls, etc. come out it's hard to deny those and he won't know what the report has backing it as of yet.

Additionally the guy who is behind the story, Baxter Holmes, is a pretty legit journalist and not a publicity hound.

The reason nothing has come out yet is because ESPN is likely sitting with their legal team and Holmes and triple checking his sources to make sure if it goes to print that it is rock solid and can insulate them from any kind of retaliatory legal action. In other words, he can't publish if it's just some anonymous sources, he needs these people to stand by their statements about Sarver publicly otherwise the story can't go out because they'll lose in court. That's going to take time if what Gambo said is true and 50 people were interviewed for the story.

What's interesting to me is that the story itself wasn't leaked, but the idea that the story EXISTED leaked. This seems like a favor to Sarver as it lets him get in front of it, get his ducks in a row, prepare his defense, etc. and sows doubt about its veracity before the story has even come out.

Just look at the board, when the story broke we were all like, okay Bobby S time's up seeya. Now it's swung completely the opposite after his statement where most people are saying yeah, he's going to beat it and stick around.

I dont know whether the allegations are true, but the idea of a story existing being leaked and not the story itself, to me, screams that Sarver leaked the story (probably once he was asked to comment) to give him the chance to control the narrative before any of the actual allegations come to light.
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Post#279 » by Saberestar » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:13 pm

ESPN just wants to put a controversial show on TV and that is all about what they care ...more views and advertisements.

They have bought the story and it's ok, but that doesn't mean that has more credibility because they are involved.
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Post#280 » by Calvin Klein » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:22 pm

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:FLEX From Jersey (@FlexFromJersey) Tweeted:
I'm told from source close to the situation that this ESPN story is scheduled to be released on Tuesday. Won't get into details other then to say this is a serious situation involving real people on both sides. Simply reporting what I've been told over the past week. Just Wait!
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Guy has a knack for saying a lot without really saying anything.


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