The LeBron James - 21-22 Regular Season Thread - New Thread Soon Part 2

JLei · Post #81 » by **JLei** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:14 am

GSP wrote:
JLei wrote:They need Nunn, Ariza and THT back quick.

Carmelo, Monk can't play together with Westbrook/ Rondo.

The 2 guys that kind of fit (Baze/ Bradley) are pretty damn washed up on both ends. They both are C+ shooters and not really that good on D.

Maybe with some defense and shooting you can let Westbrook figure this thing out without being a dumpster fire. But right now this roster is just really accentuating his weaknesses.

How is Bazemore washed up on D? He did great on Booker this game and had Steph in hell the first game. He was arguably the 2nd best defender on a top 5 defense just last season

I don't think he's particularly stand out on defense, never have. But he's definitely not bad (slightly above average like Bradley). My problems with him are more offensively I guess.

nzahir · Post #82 » by **nzahir** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:14 am

JLei wrote:I do wonder if Sacramento would be willing to take THT for Hield.

They were willing for Kuzma and Harrell so maybe? But I actually like Kuzma as a role playing wing, played well today (despite how absolute trash he was in the playoffs last year thrust into that bigger role with AD out).

They might need to sacrifice THT and their high hopes for him to save this roster.

Sac is definitely not happy about what we did

Salaries also dont match I believe

I don't think we are giving up on THT if I am being real

1-2 small moves is the best we can do

DJ, Melo, Monk, Ellington, Rondo, and a couple of the young guys are available

MartinToVaught · Post #83 » by **MartinToVaught** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:15 am

SeniorWalker wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:
thebigbird wrote:I’m honestly completely over AD. The Lakers cater to this dude and put together awful rosters because he wants certain guys on the team, and then he’s inconsistent as hell during the games.

AD might be the single most irritating player that LeBron's ever played with. He's so soft and one of the biggest wastes of talent ever, honestly. People have been talking him up his entire career like he's a new-age Tim Duncan, but the substance just isn't there.

I remember those comparisons and since AD is from my hometown I believed them. But quickly in his career I learned he's really a glorified Chris Bosh. Outstanding player, but more of a super duper #2 than a #1, even though he can because of his talent.

He's a finesse guy that lacks what it takes upstairs to truly lead a team. He and Bron need each other at this stage of brons career.

They wouldve been crazy good in brons prime, I will say that.

I honestly prefer Bosh at this point. People used to love clowning Bosh for some reason, but he was always willing to play hard, sacrifice for the team and never complain. AD got his ring and checked out.

trickshot · Post #84 » by **trickshot** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:15 am

falcolombardi wrote:i am honestly kinda dreading the hot takes that will come from this debacle

It won't all be hot takes, some of the problems are as much personnel as they are chemistry. Having THT, Nunn and Ariza back helps somewhat on offense but the problems on the other end will always exist and they'll always be another Ariza injury away from having to give Melo or DJ heavy minutes.

There are too many flawed guys way too high in their rotation and it's a stretch when a team with its 3 superstars healthy still has to say "wait till lesser roleplayer x comes back" when said roleplayer never even had that type of impact on their old teams.

nzahir · Post #85 » by **nzahir** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:16 am

JLei wrote:
nzahir wrote:Vogel, wake the **** UP

Russ, Avery/Monk/Reeves, Bazemore, Bron, AD
2 of Avery/Monk/Reeves. Melo, Dwight

Maybe some small min for Rondo

NO more DJ
No/less Rondo

To be fair to DJ.

He's a +6 this season on court and the Lakers are -29 total. Him playing the Bogans/ McGee minutes with the starters isn't really the problem.

He is a part of it

His defense isn't great and his hops are shot when he has no head start

And some isn't his fault, but you can't have Russ, a guard, Bron, AD, and DJ. No spacing, paint is packed and we aren't punishing defenses for it

Go with Monk, Avery, or even Reeves

PLEASE FRANK

thebigbird · Post #86 » by **thebigbird** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:20 am

Just hope LeBron stays healthy so he can get the scoring record. That’s all I care about at this point.

trickshot · Post #87 » by **trickshot** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:22 am

nzahir wrote:
JLei wrote:
nzahir wrote:Vogel, wake the **** UP

Russ, Avery/Monk/Reeves, Bazemore, Bron, AD
2 of Avery/Monk/Reeves. Melo, Dwight

Maybe some small min for Rondo

NO more DJ
No/less Rondo

To be fair to DJ.

He's a +6 this season on court and the Lakers are -29 total. Him playing the Bogans/ McGee minutes with the starters isn't really the problem.

He is a part of it

His defense isn't great and his hops are shot when he has no head start

And some isn't his fault, but you can't have Russ, a guard, Bron, AD, and DJ. No spacing, paint is packed and we aren't punishing defenses for it

Go with Monk, Avery, or even Reeves

PLEASE FRANK

He was definitely one of the worse defenders. He was just lucky enough to be taken out when he started getting picked on and spared the heavy minutes that f*ked up everyone else's +/-. If coaches doesn't pull him out he's a sure -30 this game,

thebigbird · Post #88 » by **thebigbird** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:25 am

MartinToVaught wrote:
SeniorWalker wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:AD might be the single most irritating player that LeBron's ever played with. He's so soft and one of the biggest wastes of talent ever, honestly. People have been talking him up his entire career like he's a new-age Tim Duncan, but the substance just isn't there.

I remember those comparisons and since AD is from my hometown I believed them. But quickly in his career I learned he's really a glorified Chris Bosh. Outstanding player, but more of a super duper #2 than a #1, even though he can because of his talent.

He's a finesse guy that lacks what it takes upstairs to truly lead a team. He and Bron need each other at this stage of brons career.

They wouldve been crazy good in brons prime, I will say that.

I honestly prefer Bosh at this point. People used to love clowning Bosh for some reason, but he was always willing to play hard, sacrifice for the team and never complain. AD got his ring and checked out.

AD won’t sacrifice anything but he doesn’t perform well enough to make that ok. Super frustrating. It’s clear he isn’t going to be ‘the guy’ for the lakers after LeBron retires but the lakers still act like he is.

GSP · Post #89 » by **GSP** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:29 am

Reeves wide open cutting angle right in front of Russ

Westbrick airball 3 instead

SeniorWalker · Post #90 » by **SeniorWalker** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:29 am

thebigbird wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:
SeniorWalker wrote:I remember those comparisons and since AD is from my hometown I believed them. But quickly in his career I learned he's really a glorified Chris Bosh. Outstanding player, but more of a super duper #2 than a #1, even though he can because of his talent.

He's a finesse guy that lacks what it takes upstairs to truly lead a team. He and Bron need each other at this stage of brons career.

They wouldve been crazy good in brons prime, I will say that.

I honestly prefer Bosh at this point. People used to love clowning Bosh for some reason, but he was always willing to play hard, sacrifice for the team and never complain. AD got his ring and checked out.

AD won’t sacrifice anything but he doesn’t perform well enough to make that ok. Super frustrating. It’s clear he isn’t going to be ‘the guy’ for the lakers after LeBron retires but the lakers still act like he is.

In a vacuum AD is talented enough to lead a deep playoff team assuming he has the proper supporting cast. The problem is, he's mentally not a real leader and he's in that Kawhi territory where you never really know if you'll ever get a fully healthy year out of him or not. I think with LeBron he's worth the headache but without him you better have some kind of insurance.

Also its.entirely possible he has some kind of degenerative condition. If that's true, then the Lakers are done anyway.

PistolPeteJR · Post #91 » by **PistolPeteJR** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:30 am

I really like Reeves. Pretty good defensively already, great form and release on his shot.

PistolPeteJR · Post #92 » by **PistolPeteJR** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:34 am

Some good things in this 4th quarter. It’s a long season boys, and we knew this was going to take time. Chill and stop acting like the world is imploding on a quarter by quarter basis lol.

nzahir · Post #93 » by **nzahir** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:35 am

Lol who told me Reeves shouldn't play??

Kid needs to be out there

thebigbird · Post #94 » by **thebigbird** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:35 am

SeniorWalker wrote:
thebigbird wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:I honestly prefer Bosh at this point. People used to love clowning Bosh for some reason, but he was always willing to play hard, sacrifice for the team and never complain. AD got his ring and checked out.

AD won’t sacrifice anything but he doesn’t perform well enough to make that ok. Super frustrating. It’s clear he isn’t going to be ‘the guy’ for the lakers after LeBron retires but the lakers still act like he is.

In a vacuum AD is talented enough to lead a deep playoff team assuming he has the proper supporting cast. The problem is, he's mentally not a real leader and he's in that Kawhi territory where you never really know if you'll ever get a fully healthy year out of him or not. I think with LeBron he's worth the headache but without him you better have some kind of insurance.

Also its.entirely possible he has some kind of degenerative condition. If that's true, then the Lakers are done anyway.

What makes you think he has a degenerative condition? That would be less than ideal.

AD has all the talent in the world but he struggles to put it all together. He doesn’t seem like the same guy he was in NO.

falcolombardi · Post #95 » by **falcolombardi** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:40 am

PistolPeteJR wrote:Some good things in this 4th quarter. It’s a long season boys, and we knew this was going to take time. Chill and stop acting like the world is imploding on a quarter by quarter basis lol.

normally i am in the "relax and let see how the season goes" camp

but when teammates fight each other in the middle of a game is a valid time to entre pánic mode lol

PistolPeteJR · Post #96 » by **PistolPeteJR** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:42 am

falcolombardi wrote:
PistolPeteJR wrote:Some good things in this 4th quarter. It’s a long season boys, and we knew this was going to take time. Chill and stop acting like the world is imploding on a quarter by quarter basis lol.

normally i am in the "relax and let see how the season goes" camp

but when teammates fight each other in the middle of a game is a valid time to entre pánic mode lol

Nah. We don’t know what happened whatsoever. These guys played with and won a championship together.

Unless something comes out that is completely out of left field about these two having some kind of beef together, it’s fine. It happens. It was just more public than usual this time around.

There are way more than enough vets with clout and respect in that locker room to make sure everyone keeps it in check.

Post #97 » by **zimpy27** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:42 am

Westbrook, Reaves, LeBron, Davis

This grouping showed me something. Just play them with Ariza/Bazemore/Nunn/Howard/THT

falcolombardi · Post #98 » by **falcolombardi** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:46 am

PistolPeteJR wrote:
falcolombardi wrote:
PistolPeteJR wrote:Some good things in this 4th quarter. It’s a long season boys, and we knew this was going to take time. Chill and stop acting like the world is imploding on a quarter by quarter basis lol.

normally i am in the "relax and let see how the season goes" camp

but when teammates fight each other in the middle of a game is a valid time to entre pánic mode lol

Nah. We don’t know what happened whatsoever. These guys played with and won a championship together.

Unless something comes out that is completely out of left field about these two having some kind of beef together, it’s fine. It happens. It was just more public than usual this time around.

There are way more than enough vets with clout and respect in that locker room to make sure everyone keeps it in check.

hopefully that is the case and the lakers can correct course

Mos_Heat · Post #99 » by **Mos_Heat** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:40 am

Can this team win 50 games? As of now I struggle to imagine them being better than 14-18 on offense and 10-14 on defense. That's a 43-48wins type of team

nzahir · Post #100 » by **nzahir** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:16 am

zimpy27 wrote:Westbrook, Reaves, LeBron, Davis

This grouping showed me something. Just play them with Ariza/Bazemore/Nunn/Howard/THT

Yup Reaves needs to play

We are lacking decent to high IQ players and he seems like one

We replaced AC, Pope, DG, and Gasol with Russ, Monk, Melo, and DJ...