James Wiseman 2021/2022

[Scoots1994]

We need to throw out draft pedigree.

Wiseman's rookie season was a lot like Poole's. Poole entered his sophomore season out of the rotation, because we were deeper, and he had to show he was ready to play in junk time and the GLeague before he got actual meaningful minutes. When you are trying to win, you do that. When you are trying to fully develop someone, you do that

We have no need for Wiseman immediately and if he doesnt understand the game, which he clearly didnt last year except in small bursts and only following prolonged timeframes of hurting the team terribly, he doesnt belong on the court when the game still matters

You say "if" but seem to have concluded he won't. Last year he came in with no offseason and viturally no coaching. That's not true this year.

I don't know what he will be so I can't say what time he will or won't get. I expect him to get a chance to take minutes ... the better he does the more he'll get, the worse he does the less he'll get.

[FNQ]

We need to throw out draft pedigree.

Wiseman's rookie season was a lot like Poole's. Poole entered his sophomore season out of the rotation, because we were deeper, and he had to show he was ready to play in junk time and the GLeague before he got actual meaningful minutes. When you are trying to win, you do that. When you are trying to fully develop someone, you do that

We have no need for Wiseman immediately and if he doesnt understand the game, which he clearly didnt last year except in small bursts and only following prolonged timeframes of hurting the team terribly, he doesnt belong on the court when the game still matters

You say "if" but seem to have concluded he won't. Last year he came in with no offseason and viturally no coaching. That's not true this year.

I don't know what he will be so I can't say what time he will or won't get. I expect him to get a chance to take minutes ... the better he does the more he'll get, the worse he does the less he'll get.

Yes you're really riding this "anything is possible" stance while also pushing for Wiseman to get a lot of minutes. But I would think that the common sense conclusion is that until he proves he's understood anything, that we assume he doesn't. Just like any other young player.

I havent concluded anything, I'm saying he has to prove it. I'm arguing against the idea that we should believe in a non-existent change behind the scenes while he's been injured. We're trying to win, he either needs to be a part of that, or getting minutes in the GLeague so he can learn to be a part of it

[watch1958]

We need to throw out draft pedigree.

Wiseman's rookie season was a lot like Poole's. Poole entered his sophomore season out of the rotation, because we were deeper, and he had to show he was ready to play in junk time and the GLeague before he got actual meaningful minutes. When you are trying to win, you do that. When you are trying to fully develop someone, you do that

We have no need for Wiseman immediately and if he doesnt understand the game, which he clearly didnt last year except in small bursts and only following prolonged timeframes of hurting the team terribly, he doesnt belong on the court when the game still matters

You say "if" but seem to have concluded he won't. Last year he came in with no offseason and viturally no coaching. That's not true this year.

I don't know what he will be so I can't say what time he will or won't get. I expect him to get a chance to take minutes ... the better he does the more he'll get, the worse he does the less he'll get.

The thing is, no one, including coaches, really knows if his game has developed. No one. Because he hasn’t played in any games. No preseason, no summer league, not even any 5 on 5 scrimmages.

And they won’t be having a lot of 5 on 5 now that the season has started.

So to me, the only way to see his development is to give him some game time in SC. And if they can’t figure how to use their coaches to make that work, then that’s an organizational failure.

Plus, development aside, give the poor kid the chance to play some ball.

[oaktownwarriors87]

We need to throw out draft pedigree.

Wiseman's rookie season was a lot like Poole's. Poole entered his sophomore season out of the rotation, because we were deeper, and he had to show he was ready to play in junk time and the GLeague before he got actual meaningful minutes. When you are trying to win, you do that. When you are trying to fully develop someone, you do that

We have no need for Wiseman immediately and if he doesnt understand the game, which he clearly didnt last year except in small bursts and only following prolonged timeframes of hurting the team terribly, he doesnt belong on the court when the game still matters

You say "if" but seem to have concluded he won't. Last year he came in with no offseason and viturally no coaching. That's not true this year.

I don't know what he will be so I can't say what time he will or won't get. I expect him to get a chance to take minutes ... the better he does the more he'll get, the worse he does the less he'll get.

Yes you're really riding this "anything is possible" stance while also pushing for Wiseman to get a lot of minutes. But I would think that the common sense conclusion is that until he proves he's understood anything, that we assume he doesn't. Just like any other young player.

I havent concluded anything, I'm saying he has to prove it. I'm arguing against the idea that we should believe in a non-existent change behind the scenes while he's been injured. We're trying to win, he either needs to be a part of that, or getting minutes in the GLeague so he can learn to be a part of it

Exactly.

And everyone loves to point out that his time in the NCAA, training camp and pre-season were all cut short and he hasn't had time to develop.

Great, then send him to the development league? It seems like that's what it's there for.

[The-Power]

A couple quick points on what has been discussed on the previous two pages.

Re: Do we really need an interior offensive presence? Well, the coaches have pointed out prior to the season that we'll need Wiseman for his vertical spacing. How much we'll need it and if it outweighs the cost remains to be seen – but the coaching staff seems to believe in the value of an interior offensive presence. Which is not much of a surprise considering that we always had this kind of presence on the roster during our run.

Re: Wiseman's defense. I just want to point out that Wiseman hurt us more on offense than on defense last year. If he can understand where to be on defense – and that's something we can expect to improve gradually – then he has a clear path to being a positive on that end, in spurts at least. On offense, he'll have to be confident in a free-flowing offense in which he's not asked to create or soak up usage but instead learn to read and react to our motions and exploit the attention other players on the team get. I expect that to take a bit longer because our offense is tough to grasp for many players at first, and certainly for a young athletic big who has virtually no meaningful experience.

Re: Wiseman and the G-League. I know this has been discussed ad nauseam in recent days but I want to point to Kerr's interview from yesterday. He mentioned yet again that their plan was to change practice in ways that the young players play a lot more team basketball so that they can learn the game without having to play heavy minutes during the actual games (in line with prior statements). Maybe we'll still see them in the G-League some, but the coaches made it explicit that they plan on developing the young guys while they are with the team. So that should be taken into account.

[Upperclass]

He has to be traded.

[xdrta+]

[Snipped good points.]

Re: Wiseman and the G-League. I know this has been discussed ad nauseam in recent days but I want to point to Kerr's interview from yesterday. He mentioned yet again that their plan was to change practice in ways that the young players play a lot more team basketball so that they can learn the game without having to play heavy minutes during the actual games (in line with prior statements). Maybe we'll still see them in the G-League some, but the coaches made it explicit that they plan on developing the young guys while they are with the team. So that should be taken into account.

I think this was the whole point of hiring the new coaches that they did, to develop the youngsters. Development they wouldn't get by running over mediocre players in the G league. I like this approach.

[510TWSS]

Kerr mentioned this year they can do a lot more team based exercises, scrimmages, etc. Last season with the protocols they had to do a lot of individual work. Felt like it was good for the young fellas to a point, but they need to start playing with live bullets, see the floor and make improvements based on play/mistakes.

He also mentioned using Wise more as a PnR setter and vertical spacer. They let him kinda do what he wanted to begin last season. I want to see Wise on an NBA court in a more paired down role which sounds like is coming. They hired assistant coaches to help with his fundamentals like footwork, post counters, catching the ball in traffic. Sounds like they know what they're doing.

[hamncheese]

I think pre-training camp the Warriors announced Wiseman wouldn't be fully recovered and he will be reevaluated on the 15th. Has there been any reporting about that?

[whatisacenter]

I think pre-training camp the Warriors announced Wiseman wouldn't be fully recovered and he will be reevaluated on the 15th. Has there been any reporting about that?

I heard Myers on the radio this AM and I would be surprised to see him on the floor until mid/late November. He has not begun 1 on 1 scrimmages yet. He mentioned the next step after that would be full scrimmages and then to build up his conditioning.

[Scoots1994]

We need to throw out draft pedigree.

Wiseman's rookie season was a lot like Poole's. Poole entered his sophomore season out of the rotation, because we were deeper, and he had to show he was ready to play in junk time and the GLeague before he got actual meaningful minutes. When you are trying to win, you do that. When you are trying to fully develop someone, you do that

We have no need for Wiseman immediately and if he doesnt understand the game, which he clearly didnt last year except in small bursts and only following prolonged timeframes of hurting the team terribly, he doesnt belong on the court when the game still matters

You say "if" but seem to have concluded he won't. Last year he came in with no offseason and viturally no coaching. That's not true this year.

I don't know what he will be so I can't say what time he will or won't get. I expect him to get a chance to take minutes ... the better he does the more he'll get, the worse he does the less he'll get.

The thing is, no one, including coaches, really knows if his game has developed. No one. Because he hasn’t played in any games. No preseason, no summer league, not even any 5 on 5 scrimmages.

And they won’t be having a lot of 5 on 5 now that the season has started.

So to me, the only way to see his development is to give him some game time in SC. And if they can’t figure how to use their coaches to make that work, then that’s an organizational failure.

Plus, development aside, give the poor kid the chance to play some ball.

Why would the coaches have no idea? They would have seen him doing things now that he wasn't doing before. If coaches have been working for him for 6 months and have not seen any change in his game they should be fired because they are not coaching.

All I'm saying is that I fully expect him to be better, but want to see it. When he was a rookie I was saying all off-season that I didn't want him to start and people here argued with me that he should start, they started him, it didn't go well. Now I'm saying he SHOULD get the chance to start and people are arguing he shouldn't get that opportunity

[Scoots1994]

I think pre-training camp the Warriors announced Wiseman wouldn't be fully recovered and he will be reevaluated on the 15th. Has there been any reporting about that?

I heard Myers on the radio this AM and I would be surprised to see him on the floor until mid/late November. He has not begun 1 on 1 scrimmages yet. He mentioned the next step after that would be full scrimmages and then to build up his conditioning.

The trainer said a few months ago they were going to be super cautious with him because 7 footers who get injuries to their base and rush back can create career long issues. I hope they get his body and mechanics right early so he can have a healthy career.

That said, I have little faith in the Warriors current training staff.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

If you can't send Wiseman to the G-League then bring the G-league to Wiseman. Go out and hire a practice squad. Get a 7' 2" 300 pound muscle bound monster, a 38 year smart 6' 10" ex nba center who knows all the tricks and a 6' 7" rebound eating, fast, fire breathing beast center who is pissed off because he is too small to play centerin the NBA. Get a super fast 5' 10" point guard who lives to dunk on 7 footers. Then find a power forward, small forward and off guard. Let them play 5 on 4 vs Payton, Kuminga, Moody and Wiseman every day.



How do you teach reaction time? Either you are born with it or you get it from massive hours of play. I am not sure that 14 year James Wiseman was out on the asphalt playing all day long.

Bring Bogut in to teach Wiseman how to screen and pass.

[WarriorGM]

If you can't send Wiseman to the G-League then bring the G-league to Wiseman. Go out and hire a practice squad. Get a 7' 2" 300 pound muscle bound monster, a 38 year smart 6' 10" ex nba center who knows all the tricks and a 6' 7" rebound eating, fast, fire breathing beast center who is pissed off because he is too small to play centerin the NBA. Get a super fast 5' 10" point guard who lives to dunk on 7 footers. Then find a power forward, small forward and off guard. Let them play 5 on 4 vs Payton, Kuminga, Moody and Wiseman every day.



How do you teach reaction time? Either you are born with it or you get it from massive hours of play. I am not sure that 14 year James Wiseman was out on the asphalt playing all day long.

Bring Bogut in to teach Wiseman how to screen and pass.

This was my thought as well if bigs really cannot be developed reliably in G-Legue. What are Livingston, Barbosa, and Pachulia doing? Wiseman when he is physically ready should be doing daily drills with those guys and some other bodies so he can respond on instinct to common situations on the court.

[floppymoose]

Great, then send him to the development league? It seems like that's what it's there for.

I would love for GS to send Wiseman to Santa Cruz. Look what it did for Poole!

[EvanZ]

Unfortunately this is probably a wasted season for Wiseman. Hopefully he stays healthy enough to be traded to a team that can afford to let him fail until he figures it out.

[GSWFan1994]

A "wasted season" less than 1 week after the season starts.

LOL!

[clyde21]

He has to be traded.

too late for that, you'd get pennies on the dollar at this point

[Old_Blue]

At one time, we probably could have gotten Myles Turner and Indiana's 2021 first round pick (which turned out to be Chris Duarte) in exchange for Wiseman. Now, we couldn't even get Turner straight up. It is what it is. At this point, I take it for granted that Wiseman is a sunk cost and will eventually be traded for a bag of beans.

[GQ Hot Dog]

At one time, we probably could have gotten Myles Turner and Indiana's 2021 first round pick (which turned out to be Chris Duarte) in exchange for Wiseman. Now, we couldn't even get Turner straight up. It is what it is. At this point, I take it for granted that Wiseman is a sunk cost and will eventually be traded for a bag of beans.

You're a miserable Wiseman. Just the worst kind of Wiseman.