With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[alan_156]

One comp I haven't seen on here, and was a huge difference maker.... Andrei Kirilenko

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[Quattro]

I really hope Scottie reaches his potential here. I haven’t been this excited about a rookie since Vince Carter. I love everything about this kid both on and off the court. He has the potential to be the face of this franchise and city for the next decade.

[Inklink]

I love the no look passing, feels like it was never really a part of recent Raptors teams style so it's refreshing.

[rapswestofthe6]

that's a fair assessment, scottie isn't going to do this every night,
as not every team he faces will be tired....

but to still be able to take advantage of it, shows a lot of potential and flashes

I'm never watching college games or scouting videos again. I'm just going to accept whoever the **** Masai drafts.

LMFAO

On the one hand the Celtics were tired from the Double OT so they didn't have their legs.

On the other hand Scottie took full advantage of them.

I don't think anyone, even most of Scottie's biggest fans ever thought he would score 25 points on 17 shots and only take 2 threes and 2 free throws.

No idea what his efficiency is going to be, but it's safe to assume he can score 10+ points a night.

I'll stick by what I said, Draymond is Scottie's floor (career wise). His ceiling is basically Kawhi with legit point guard skills.

The Celtics were tired? It's game 2 of the season and there was a day off in between games. The physical advantage the Raptors over the Celtics because they played 10 less minutes was negligible.

[KO7]

More than anything else, the poise and selflessness are the two things that have blown me away about Scottie, and we’re only 2 games into his career?! This kid is crazy special.

[Jcity08]

I dont care it was a b2b after a OT game a couple of nights before for the Celtics, its been so long since Ive been this emotional/excited over a rookie. Scottie genuinely and this not an exahgeration, he genuinely has superstar potential or at worst a very high end allstar.

He shown aptitude in so many areas of scoring, all it needs is some polish. And his character is amazing and I know that translates to his work ethic. And you can tell he actually loves the game, you dont have such a great IQ and composure as a rookie if you arent a savant.

Barnes is going to average triple double seasons, make all nba teams and mvp seasons. Quote me on it. I'll happily dine on crow if it doesnt happen.

[Danny1616]

What was Suggs saying last night ???? Lol

4-17 (0-6 from 3), with 14 points and 8 rebounds.

Seems like defensively Suggs is solid. He has an ability to get steals, blocks and rebounds at solid pace.

But offensively he really needs a ton of work. He's way more raw than a lot of us realized.

[maternal85]

I'm never watching college games or scouting videos again. I'm just going to accept whoever the **** Masai drafts.

The ESPN hype machine is something else. Like I've been saying, they're nothing but ignorant fans, who found a way to get paid for their opinions. They're internet scouts/GM's. How people take them seriously is unreal to me.

I hope the Magic fans are still thanking us for taking Barnes over Suggs.

[maternal85]

I'm never watching college games or scouting videos again. I'm just going to accept whoever the **** Masai drafts.

LMFAO

On the one hand the Celtics were tired from the Double OT so they didn't have their legs.

On the other hand Scottie took full advantage of them.

I don't think anyone, even most of Scottie's biggest fans ever thought he would score 25 points on 17 shots and only take 2 threes and 2 free throws.

No idea what his efficiency is going to be, but it's safe to assume he can score 10+ points a night.

I'll stick by what I said, Draymond is Scottie's floor (career wise). His ceiling is basically Kawhi with legit point guard skills.

Right. So any NBA player can get 25 and 13 if they played against a team that just played the night before in double OT ? It's the NBA for goodness sakes.

[Vampirate]

I'm never watching college games or scouting videos again. I'm just going to accept whoever the **** Masai drafts.

LMFAO

On the one hand the Celtics were tired from the Double OT so they didn't have their legs.

On the other hand Scottie took full advantage of them.

I don't think anyone, even most of Scottie's biggest fans ever thought he would score 25 points on 17 shots and only take 2 threes and 2 free throws.

No idea what his efficiency is going to be, but it's safe to assume he can score 10+ points a night.

I'll stick by what I said, Draymond is Scottie's floor (career wise). His ceiling is basically Kawhi with legit point guard skills.

Right. So any NBA player can get 25 and 13 if they played against a team that just played the night before in double OT ? It's the NBA for goodness sakes.

Did you even read my full post or just the first line?

[maternal85]

LMFAO

On the one hand the Celtics were tired from the Double OT so they didn't have their legs.

On the other hand Scottie took full advantage of them.

I don't think anyone, even most of Scottie's biggest fans ever thought he would score 25 points on 17 shots and only take 2 threes and 2 free throws.

No idea what his efficiency is going to be, but it's safe to assume he can score 10+ points a night.

I'll stick by what I said, Draymond is Scottie's floor (career wise). His ceiling is basically Kawhi with legit point guard skills.

Right. So any NBA player can get 25 and 13 if they played against a team that just played the night before in double OT ? It's the NBA for goodness sakes.

Did you even read my full post or just the first line?

My mistake

[Dalek]

I don't think most draft people expected this much from Scottie because he never had this role. He was always on a stacked team in Montverde, played 25 mins off the bench at FSU.

Toronto was an ideal circumstance. Siakam out, a willingness to let him start, and an ideal defensive/physical culture to develop in. Scottie should thrive here.

[Psubs]

I'm never watching college games or scouting videos again. I'm just going to accept whoever the **** Masai drafts.

LMFAO

On the one hand the Celtics were tired from the Double OT so they didn't have their legs.

On the other hand Scottie took full advantage of them.

I don't think anyone, even most of Scottie's biggest fans ever thought he would score 25 points on 17 shots and only take 2 threes and 2 free throws.

No idea what his efficiency is going to be, but it's safe to assume he can score 10+ points a night.

I'll stick by what I said, Draymond is Scottie's floor (career wise). His ceiling is basically Kawhi with legit point guard skills.

The OT game was on Wednesday.

[Los_29]

I dont care it was a b2b for the Celtics, its been so long since Ive been this emotional/excited over a rookie. Scottie genuinely and this not an exahgeration, he genuinely has superstar potential or at worst a very high end allstar.

He shown aptitude in so many areas of scoring, all it needs is some polish. And his character is amazing and I know that translates to his work ethic. And you can tell he actually loves the game, you dont have such a great IQ and composure as a rookie if you arent a savant.

Barnes is going to average triple double seasons, make all nba teams and mvp seasons. Quote me on it. I'll happily dine on crow if it doesnt happen.

Boston didn't have a B2B. They played on Wednesday not Thursday.

[everdiso]

I'm never watching college games or scouting videos again. I'm just going to accept whoever the **** Masai drafts.

LMFAO

On the one hand the Celtics were tired from the Double OT so they didn't have their legs.

On the other hand Scottie took full advantage of them.

I don't think anyone, even most of Scottie's biggest fans ever thought he would score 25 points on 17 shots and only take 2 threes and 2 free throws.

No idea what his efficiency is going to be, but it's safe to assume he can score 10+ points a night.

I'll stick by what I said, Draymond is Scottie's floor (career wise). His ceiling is basically Kawhi with legit point guard skills.

Right. So any NBA player can get 25 and 13 if they played against a team that just played the night before in double OT ? It's the NBA for goodness sakes.

Boston did not play the night before.

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I'm not sure he has all that long a way to go to get there.

[PhilBlackson]

Couple things that all this just makes me think when looking back at the draft...

1. WHERE DOES SCOTTIE GO IN A RE-DRAFT?

He might be in an odd way one of the best kept secrets. I know sounds ridiculous being the 4th pick overall. But if he showed what he is now back in college, anyone sure he doesn't go #1 overall?!? Hear me out because I would say same could be said for Evan Mobley (which I'll come back to) but Evan started and on average played almost 10mpg more. If Scottie starts...gets featured more, we sure he doesn't get more eyes on him??

I mean literally feels like every game either us as fans or even commentators are saying "I didn't know he could do that" lol if he had more opportunity. Showed some more of those drives to the basket, some of the pull up jumpers, creativity off the dribble....in addition to the havoc he creates defensively and Mobley is an underrated passer but Scottie looks like he might have some special passing ability. Maybe Mobley still does go ahead because he's more polished overall with a lot of the same strengths but it may be close and come down to what a franchise values or not.

Assuming these flashes are real from both guys (Mobley/Barnes), who's overall effect maybe greater overall?! I think Mobley may be the slightly better TALENT but it's arguable the overall IMPACT could favor Barnes in the end. Both guys are going to be incredible defenders, both can guard both the post and perimeter but Scottie gets more steals. Steals generally turn into fastbreaks, blocks usually prevent a score but doesn't necessarily change ball possession. That's added impact. Scottie will likely be able to bring the ball up the court and initiate plays more often and create more overall opportunities one way or the other (scoring or passing), he averaged more than double almost triple the assists, even if Evan can pass, will have the same amount of opportunity to do so and Scottie is the better passer. So another check there. Mobley is likely the better scorer but it's not like he's light years ahead, maybe can end up being a few more ppg but the steals and assists actually have a greater OVERALL impact on his team winning games. Then there's the intangibles of Scottie bringing so much energy for his team to feed off, being vocal to help direct guys and just a leader that I'm really not sure at the peak of their potential that it could be arguable either way...

2. THIS MANAGEMENT TEAM HAVE TO BE ONE OF THE BEST SCOUTING DEPARTMENTS EVER

EVERYONE was saying this was a top 4 draft and the 4th guy was Suggs (period...well kinda lol). Because that was THE narrative all year, well until we got 4th then media somewhat soured on him and said well there's THREE potential franchise changers and then Suggs lol...and the rest of the draft.

Right now it's looking there were in fact 4 legit franchise changers but the general population picked the wrong guy; Raps scouting did not and at the height of his potential it's arguable he can't go first or second -- and yeah that's potentially over the likes of Cade (although gotta see him first, I think he'll be smart/good enough to make arguement) and Green). Not sh*tting on Suggs, he can still turn out to be a VERY, very good PG/SG in the league, MAYBE (not looking like it so far) one of the best guards but I really don't see potential to be truly special like Scottie. That like I said either FSU kept Scottie one of the best kept secrets or our scouting just caught what others didn't...and when I look at the names we were linked to in the draft -- it probably has bit more to do with our scouting (I'm sure some element of luck) but look at the guys they were connected to:

Mobley (most people are thinking could/should be the best)
Barnes (shocking people that he might make an argument for it)
Giddey (shocking people that he was in fact worthy of going that high)

These guys just seem to be able to spot them and why personally I hope we fall just short of the Playoffs AGAIN this year. I get the Playoffs offering value to young players, one year not in it isn't going to kill the whole thing lol, I'd prefer a year of great flashes that there will be reason for optimism for next season but give this scouting department one more shot in the lottery. They turned undrafted to starters, 2nd rds to key rotations, late 1sts to borderline all-stars....give them opportunity where either we remain in the 10-12 range where they can be the ones to spot the Booker, Mitchell, Kawhi, Giannis that slides but not out of the lottery OR even better fluke back into the top 4 and they spot that next other star and we're set for YEARS vs a moral victory of "experience" (a beating at that) with a steeper hill to climb and tougher road to navigate. That's just my blab n 2c

[Bruin]