OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread

[Clyde_Style]

With all the good the vaccines have done, I am really concerned with these official numbers from VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Reactions Report.) And from what I've heard from multiple nurses, the numbers are very under-reported, at least in some areas. These injury and death numbers from the mRNA vaccines are huge (relative to all past vaccinations.)

https://openvaers.com/covid-data

None of those opaque data tables have any ability to convey co-morbidities. It is hard enough isolate a vaccine as the cause of illness or death, but you're going to want more granular data than this to dig into the issue with any teeth.

I had a really bad reaction to a malaria vaccine once. It sucked. I lost my equilibrium for half a day and was crapping blood. I'd still risk that rather than contract malaria though.

[Clyde_Style]

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He paid his fee and got reinstated. But he's going to prison soon and will be disbarred anyway. This was not the big news about Gaetz this week. The real story is the DOJ leaked that months ago it had brought on two lawyers specializing in sex trafficking and campaign fraud during the investigations triggered by Joel Greenberg's cooperation. It is the reason Gaetz was not indicted yet. It turns out Greenberg was a jackpot of dirt on the GOP. It is that big and it will take down many in the party. That they leaked this tidbit now means Gaetz's arrest is much closer now.

Also, Lev Parnas was convicted this week and is going to prison. He and Igor Furman were Rudy's right hand men in the Ukraine shenanigans. Rudy will have to proffer or he is going to be indicted on the kinds of charges that guarantee he dies in jail. The only surprise there is Parnas was vocally anti-Trump of the two accomplices and was on the surface more plausible as the one cooperating with the feds. So his public statements were performative and he still took his chances with the court system and lost that bet.

The noose around the Trump mafia is tightening

[HarthorneWingo]

:D

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He paid his fee and got reinstated. But he's going to prison soon and will be disbarred anyway. This was not the big news about Gaetz this week. The real story is the DOJ leaked that months ago it had brought on two lawyers specializing in sex trafficking and campaign fraud during the investigations triggered by Joel Greenberg's cooperation. It is the reason Gaetz was not indicted yet. It turns out Greenberg was a jackpot of dirt on the GOP. It is that big and it will take down many in the party. That they leaked this tidbit now means Gaetz's arrest is much closer now.

Also, Lev Parnas was convicted this week and is going to prison. He and Igor Furman were Rudy's right hand men in the Ukraine shenanigans. Rudy will have to proffer or he is going to be indicted on the kinds of charges that guarantee he dies in jail. The only surprise there is Parnas was vocally anti-Trump of the two accomplices and was on the surface more plausible as the one cooperating with the feds. So his public statements were performative and he still took his chances with the court system and lost that bet.

The noose around the Trump mafia is tightening

Thanks for the update. I saw that about Lev. Seems like Lev and the other guy are real clowns. I read an article on Lev’s conviction. He and his sidekick just like to swindle people out of money and use the proceeds to buy shyt, smoke a lot of weed, and party. Of course, their shenanigans were part of this larger more nefarious plot.

[Clyde_Style]

:D

Read on Twitter

?s=21

He paid his fee and got reinstated. But he's going to prison soon and will be disbarred anyway. This was not the big news about Gaetz this week. The real story is the DOJ leaked that months ago it had brought on two lawyers specializing in sex trafficking and campaign fraud during the investigations triggered by Joel Greenberg's cooperation. It is the reason Gaetz was not indicted yet. It turns out Greenberg was a jackpot of dirt on the GOP. It is that big and it will take down many in the party. That they leaked this tidbit now means Gaetz's arrest is much closer now.

Also, Lev Parnas was convicted this week and is going to prison. He and Igor Furman were Rudy's right hand men in the Ukraine shenanigans. Rudy will have to proffer or he is going to be indicted on the kinds of charges that guarantee he dies in jail. The only surprise there is Parnas was vocally anti-Trump of the two accomplices and was on the surface more plausible as the one cooperating with the feds. So his public statements were performative and he still took his chances with the court system and lost that bet.

The noose around the Trump mafia is tightening

Thanks for the update. I saw that about Lev. Seems like Lev and the other guy are real clowns. I read an article on Lev’s conviction. He and his sidekick just like to swindle people out of money and use the proceeds to buy shyt, smoke a lot of weed, and party. Of course, their shenanigans were part of this larger more nefarious plot.

The thing to understand about Rudy is his mind is largely gone, probably due to alcoholism compounded by age

That means:

Trump is a massive idiot entrusting anything to Rudy
and
Rudy could be exploited by petty criminals

But that does not mitigate the deeply criminal activities Rudy engaged in all along and before his mind was completely shot

One of the things you won't get from the MSM is that Rudy is getting nailed for violating FARA regulations while doing favors for foreign governments like Turkey where Trump had business interests. The activity in the Ukraine was really bad even if stupid MAGA people think Hunter Biden is a thing. It was treasonous activity trying to manufacture scandals for election tampering while wielding threats of withholding foreign aid the Ukraine needed to protect themselves from Putin who was testing the Ukraine's military resolve.

And the Turkey stuff is a whole other bag of tricks. They're all connected into Rudy and Trump. Add in Kushner and Tom Barrack's seriously treasonous activities in the middle east and we're talking about nuclear level scandals that somehow the lame state of journalism won't pursue, but its all there in the light of day and it is all being investigated now by the DOJ.

Tom Barrack was integral to the massive Inauguration Fund scam which stole up to $100M dollars and he was negotiating favors for the Trump clan. Kushner's front and center representation of the WH in the Middle East had nothing to do with diplomacy and everything to do with money which got him bailed out of his massive obligation at 666 Fifth Avenue. Tom Barrack just swapped out lawyers so he's almost surely in proffer mode now which is terrible for Trump. Kushner and Ivanka will have to plead out and there is always a possibility they have already turned on Daddy as they've gone silent for months now.

They just raided Oleg Deripaska's American assets so you can see where this is all heading. Remember, Eric Trump said in 2014 that the Trump Organization had all of their funding needs taken care of by Russia. This is on the record. Yet the MSM failed to follow through on the logic and it is now possible that the level of treachery will be revealed. When the proof is publicly established everyone will have a choice to either remain an idiot or deal with the reality the GOP was purchased by Putin and Trump was his puppet.

Russia invested in Trump starting in the 1980s. By the time Putin rose to power he already had a juicy dossier to work with. It is no coincidence that Trump said at a rally this month that he's not into golden showers. It is idiotic that he would say it, but it shows how scared he is and how much truth the Steele Dossier touched upon even if he didn't ask Russian hookers to pee on the hotel bed that Obama slept in. That he would even bring it up again without anyone asking about it means Trump hears the hoofbeats of the cavalry bearing down on him.

America needs to wake TF up. Trump was not working for the home team

P.S. Scotland just initiated a probe into dirty money at Trump's property there. It is a national scandal there now and they're going to expose his financial skullduggery there too.

[HarthorneWingo]

He paid his fee and got reinstated. But he's going to prison soon and will be disbarred anyway. This was not the big news about Gaetz this week. The real story is the DOJ leaked that months ago it had brought on two lawyers specializing in sex trafficking and campaign fraud during the investigations triggered by Joel Greenberg's cooperation. It is the reason Gaetz was not indicted yet. It turns out Greenberg was a jackpot of dirt on the GOP. It is that big and it will take down many in the party. That they leaked this tidbit now means Gaetz's arrest is much closer now.

Also, Lev Parnas was convicted this week and is going to prison. He and Igor Furman were Rudy's right hand men in the Ukraine shenanigans. Rudy will have to proffer or he is going to be indicted on the kinds of charges that guarantee he dies in jail. The only surprise there is Parnas was vocally anti-Trump of the two accomplices and was on the surface more plausible as the one cooperating with the feds. So his public statements were performative and he still took his chances with the court system and lost that bet.

The noose around the Trump mafia is tightening

Thanks for the update. I saw that about Lev. Seems like Lev and the other guy are real clowns. I read an article on Lev’s conviction. He and his sidekick just like to swindle people out of money and use the proceeds to buy shyt, smoke a lot of weed, and party. Of course, their shenanigans were part of this larger more nefarious plot.

The thing to understand about Rudy is his mind is largely gone, probably due to alcoholism compounded by age

That means:

Trump is a massive idiot entrusting anything to Rudy
and
Rudy could be exploited by petty criminals

But that does not mitigate the deeply criminal activities Rudy engaged in all along and before his mind was completely shot

One of the things you won't get from the MSM is that Rudy is getting nailed for violating FARA regulations while doing favors for foreign governments like Turkey where Trump had business interests. The activity in the Ukraine was really bad even if stupid MAGA people think Hunter Biden is a thing. It was treasonous activity trying to manufacture scandals for election tampering while wielding threats of withholding foreign aid the Ukraine needed to protect themselves from Putin who was testing the Ukraine's military resolve.

And the Turkey stuff is a whole other bag of tricks. They're all connected into Rudy and Trump. Add in Kushner and Tom Barrack's seriously treasonous activities in the middle east and we're talking about nuclear level scandals that somehow the lame state of journalism won't pursue, but its all there in the light of day and it is all being investigated now by the DOJ.

Tom Barrack was integral to the massive Inauguration Fund scam which stole up to $100M dollars and he was negotiating favors for the Trump clan. Kushner's front and center representation of the WH in the Middle East had nothing to do with diplomacy and everything to do with money which got him bailed out of his massive obligation at 666 Fifth Avenue. Tom Barrack just swapped out lawyers so he's almost surely in proffer mode now which is terrible for Trump. Kushner and Ivanka will have to plead out and there is always a possibility they have already turned on Daddy as they've gone silent for months now.

They just raided Oleg Deripaska's American assets so you can see where this is all heading. Remember, Eric Trump said in 2014 that the Trump Organization had all of their funding needs taken care of by Russia. This is on the record. Yet the MSM failed to follow through on the logic and it is now possible that the level of treachery will be revealed. When the proof is publicly established everyone will have a choice to either remain an idiot or deal with the reality the GOP was purchased by Putin and Trump was his puppet.

Russia invested in Trump starting in the 1980s. By the time Putin rose to power he already had a juicy dossier to work with. It is no coincidence that Trump said at a rally this month that he's not into golden showers. It is idiotic that he would say it, but it shows how scared he is and how much truth the Steele Dossier touched upon even if he didn't ask Russian hookers to pee on the hotel bed that Obama slept in. That he would even bring it up again without anyone asking about it means Trump hears the hoofbeats of the cavalry bearing down on him.

America needs to wake TF up. Trump was not working for the home team

P.S. Scotland just initiated a probe into dirty money at Trump's property there. It is a national scandal there now and they're going to expose his financial skullduggery there too.

So a lot of stuff is happening on this front. I really haven’t kept up with it. I wonder how long before we begin to see some indictments? Probably not for another year or two.

[Clyde_Style]

Thanks for the update. I saw that about Lev. Seems like Lev and the other guy are real clowns. I read an article on Lev’s conviction. He and his sidekick just like to swindle people out of money and use the proceeds to buy shyt, smoke a lot of weed, and party. Of course, their shenanigans were part of this larger more nefarious plot.

The thing to understand about Rudy is his mind is largely gone, probably due to alcoholism compounded by age

That means:

Trump is a massive idiot entrusting anything to Rudy
and
Rudy could be exploited by petty criminals

But that does not mitigate the deeply criminal activities Rudy engaged in all along and before his mind was completely shot

One of the things you won't get from the MSM is that Rudy is getting nailed for violating FARA regulations while doing favors for foreign governments like Turkey where Trump had business interests. The activity in the Ukraine was really bad even if stupid MAGA people think Hunter Biden is a thing. It was treasonous activity trying to manufacture scandals for election tampering while wielding threats of withholding foreign aid the Ukraine needed to protect themselves from Putin who was testing the Ukraine's military resolve.

And the Turkey stuff is a whole other bag of tricks. They're all connected into Rudy and Trump. Add in Kushner and Tom Barrack's seriously treasonous activities in the middle east and we're talking about nuclear level scandals that somehow the lame state of journalism won't pursue, but its all there in the light of day and it is all being investigated now by the DOJ.

Tom Barrack was integral to the massive Inauguration Fund scam which stole up to $100M dollars and he was negotiating favors for the Trump clan. Kushner's front and center representation of the WH in the Middle East had nothing to do with diplomacy and everything to do with money which got him bailed out of his massive obligation at 666 Fifth Avenue. Tom Barrack just swapped out lawyers so he's almost surely in proffer mode now which is terrible for Trump. Kushner and Ivanka will have to plead out and there is always a possibility they have already turned on Daddy as they've gone silent for months now.

They just raided Oleg Deripaska's American assets so you can see where this is all heading. Remember, Eric Trump said in 2014 that the Trump Organization had all of their funding needs taken care of by Russia. This is on the record. Yet the MSM failed to follow through on the logic and it is now possible that the level of treachery will be revealed. When the proof is publicly established everyone will have a choice to either remain an idiot or deal with the reality the GOP was purchased by Putin and Trump was his puppet.

Russia invested in Trump starting in the 1980s. By the time Putin rose to power he already had a juicy dossier to work with. It is no coincidence that Trump said at a rally this month that he's not into golden showers. It is idiotic that he would say it, but it shows how scared he is and how much truth the Steele Dossier touched upon even if he didn't ask Russian hookers to pee on the hotel bed that Obama slept in. That he would even bring it up again without anyone asking about it means Trump hears the hoofbeats of the cavalry bearing down on him.

America needs to wake TF up. Trump was not working for the home team

P.S. Scotland just initiated a probe into dirty money at Trump's property there. It is a national scandal there now and they're going to expose his financial skullduggery there too.

So a lot of stuff is happening on this front. I really haven’t kept up with it. I wonder how long before we begin to see some indictments? Probably not for another year or two.

There have been indictments already. You'll see many this year. More next year. We're in the early stages, but we're already in the middle of the takedown. Most people are completely unawares of how advanced it is already. The GOP is going into the mid-terms very crippled by their complicity so the timing will be fruitful. Trump will have been indicted multiple times by various jurisdictions by then. Trials will probably stretch into 2023 though, but indictments are already here and are right around the corner

[HarthorneWingo]

The thing to understand about Rudy is his mind is largely gone, probably due to alcoholism compounded by age

That means:

Trump is a massive idiot entrusting anything to Rudy
and
Rudy could be exploited by petty criminals

But that does not mitigate the deeply criminal activities Rudy engaged in all along and before his mind was completely shot

One of the things you won't get from the MSM is that Rudy is getting nailed for violating FARA regulations while doing favors for foreign governments like Turkey where Trump had business interests. The activity in the Ukraine was really bad even if stupid MAGA people think Hunter Biden is a thing. It was treasonous activity trying to manufacture scandals for election tampering while wielding threats of withholding foreign aid the Ukraine needed to protect themselves from Putin who was testing the Ukraine's military resolve.

And the Turkey stuff is a whole other bag of tricks. They're all connected into Rudy and Trump. Add in Kushner and Tom Barrack's seriously treasonous activities in the middle east and we're talking about nuclear level scandals that somehow the lame state of journalism won't pursue, but its all there in the light of day and it is all being investigated now by the DOJ.

Tom Barrack was integral to the massive Inauguration Fund scam which stole up to $100M dollars and he was negotiating favors for the Trump clan. Kushner's front and center representation of the WH in the Middle East had nothing to do with diplomacy and everything to do with money which got him bailed out of his massive obligation at 666 Fifth Avenue. Tom Barrack just swapped out lawyers so he's almost surely in proffer mode now which is terrible for Trump. Kushner and Ivanka will have to plead out and there is always a possibility they have already turned on Daddy as they've gone silent for months now.

They just raided Oleg Deripaska's American assets so you can see where this is all heading. Remember, Eric Trump said in 2014 that the Trump Organization had all of their funding needs taken care of by Russia. This is on the record. Yet the MSM failed to follow through on the logic and it is now possible that the level of treachery will be revealed. When the proof is publicly established everyone will have a choice to either remain an idiot or deal with the reality the GOP was purchased by Putin and Trump was his puppet.

Russia invested in Trump starting in the 1980s. By the time Putin rose to power he already had a juicy dossier to work with. It is no coincidence that Trump said at a rally this month that he's not into golden showers. It is idiotic that he would say it, but it shows how scared he is and how much truth the Steele Dossier touched upon even if he didn't ask Russian hookers to pee on the hotel bed that Obama slept in. That he would even bring it up again without anyone asking about it means Trump hears the hoofbeats of the cavalry bearing down on him.

America needs to wake TF up. Trump was not working for the home team

P.S. Scotland just initiated a probe into dirty money at Trump's property there. It is a national scandal there now and they're going to expose his financial skullduggery there too.

So a lot of stuff is happening on this front. I really haven’t kept up with it. I wonder how long before we begin to see some indictments? Probably not for another year or two.

There have been indictments already. You'll see many this year. More next year. We're in the early stages, but we're already in the middle of the takedown. Most people are completely unawares of how advanced it is already. The GOP is going into the mid-terms very crippled by their complicity so the timing will be fruitful. Trump will have been indicted multiple times by various jurisdictions by then. Trials will probably stretch into 2023 though, but indictments are already here and are right around the corner

[power12]

The thing to understand about Rudy is his mind is largely gone, probably due to alcoholism compounded by age

That means:

Trump is a massive idiot entrusting anything to Rudy
and
Rudy could be exploited by petty criminals

But that does not mitigate the deeply criminal activities Rudy engaged in all along and before his mind was completely shot

One of the things you won't get from the MSM is that Rudy is getting nailed for violating FARA regulations while doing favors for foreign governments like Turkey where Trump had business interests. The activity in the Ukraine was really bad even if stupid MAGA people think Hunter Biden is a thing. It was treasonous activity trying to manufacture scandals for election tampering while wielding threats of withholding foreign aid the Ukraine needed to protect themselves from Putin who was testing the Ukraine's military resolve.

And the Turkey stuff is a whole other bag of tricks. They're all connected into Rudy and Trump. Add in Kushner and Tom Barrack's seriously treasonous activities in the middle east and we're talking about nuclear level scandals that somehow the lame state of journalism won't pursue, but its all there in the light of day and it is all being investigated now by the DOJ.

Tom Barrack was integral to the massive Inauguration Fund scam which stole up to $100M dollars and he was negotiating favors for the Trump clan. Kushner's front and center representation of the WH in the Middle East had nothing to do with diplomacy and everything to do with money which got him bailed out of his massive obligation at 666 Fifth Avenue. Tom Barrack just swapped out lawyers so he's almost surely in proffer mode now which is terrible for Trump. Kushner and Ivanka will have to plead out and there is always a possibility they have already turned on Daddy as they've gone silent for months now.

They just raided Oleg Deripaska's American assets so you can see where this is all heading. Remember, Eric Trump said in 2014 that the Trump Organization had all of their funding needs taken care of by Russia. This is on the record. Yet the MSM failed to follow through on the logic and it is now possible that the level of treachery will be revealed. When the proof is publicly established everyone will have a choice to either remain an idiot or deal with the reality the GOP was purchased by Putin and Trump was his puppet.

Russia invested in Trump starting in the 1980s. By the time Putin rose to power he already had a juicy dossier to work with. It is no coincidence that Trump said at a rally this month that he's not into golden showers. It is idiotic that he would say it, but it shows how scared he is and how much truth the Steele Dossier touched upon even if he didn't ask Russian hookers to pee on the hotel bed that Obama slept in. That he would even bring it up again without anyone asking about it means Trump hears the hoofbeats of the cavalry bearing down on him.

America needs to wake TF up. Trump was not working for the home team

P.S. Scotland just initiated a probe into dirty money at Trump's property there. It is a national scandal there now and they're going to expose his financial skullduggery there too.

So a lot of stuff is happening on this front. I really haven’t kept up with it. I wonder how long before we begin to see some indictments? Probably not for another year or two.

There have been indictments already. You'll see many this year. More next year. We're in the early stages, but we're already in the middle of the takedown. Most people are completely unawares of how advanced it is already. The GOP is going into the mid-terms very crippled by their complicity so the timing will be fruitful. Trump will have been indicted multiple times by various jurisdictions by then. Trials will probably stretch into 2023 though, but indictments are already here and are right around the corner

Man, I hope you are right. This investigation is moving too slowly for what has been discovered so far.

[thebuzzardman]

I thought it's not a foregone conclusion the Scottish gov't will investigate and in fact they were leaning to NOT investigate. I found it highly disappointing, then figured there is enough foreign dirty money propping up their economy that they don't want to scare it into some other land. Clyde, you have anything that indicates it started?

https://www.businessinsider.com/lawyers-aim-to-force-scotland-to-investigate-trump-golf-course-2021-10

[Clyde_Style]

So a lot of stuff is happening on this front. I really haven’t kept up with it. I wonder how long before we begin to see some indictments? Probably not for another year or two.

There have been indictments already. You'll see many this year. More next year. We're in the early stages, but we're already in the middle of the takedown. Most people are completely unawares of how advanced it is already. The GOP is going into the mid-terms very crippled by their complicity so the timing will be fruitful. Trump will have been indicted multiple times by various jurisdictions by then. Trials will probably stretch into 2023 though, but indictments are already here and are right around the corner

Man, I hope you are right. This investigation is moving too slowly for what has been discovered so far.

Quite the opposite. It has only been eight months and the DOJ recently brought charges against Rep. Fortenberry for campaign fraud. That was a mothballed case revived by the DOJ. That means they are going through everything that Bill Barr shut down and are pursuing anything with merit. And they probably all have merit. There was bound to be whistleblowing cases too that never got leaked to the pres.

Pelosi's Jan. 6 Committee is kicking azz and is performing a pincer movement in tandem with Merrick Garland's troops. These people know exactly what they are doing. They are taking down the GOP's worst actors in exactly the way you dismantle the mafia, by working from the bottom up. The DOJ arrested almost 700 insurrectionists for crying out loud.

8 months is freaking nothing. Cool your jets. There are going to be fireworks

[Clyde_Style]

I thought it's not a foregone conclusion the Scottish gov't will investigate and in fact they were leaning to NOT investigate. I found it highly disappointing, then figured there is enough foreign dirty money propping up their economy that they don't want to scare it into some other land. Clyde, you have anything that indicates it started?

https://www.businessinsider.com/lawyers-aim-to-force-scotland-to-investigate-trump-golf-course-2021-10

I think the ruling is next week. You would be right if the ruling doesn't go the way the plaintiffs want. In my foraging I had picked up that it was proceeding, but it does appear it hinges on what happens next week. It is a big deal in Scotland now and the public is evidently sick of Trump and wants it investigated. There could have been some greased palms in the Scottish ranks, hence the official reticence. But if public opinion there now sways the court it will get investigated then.

[HarthorneWingo]

There have been indictments already. You'll see many this year. More next year. We're in the early stages, but we're already in the middle of the takedown. Most people are completely unawares of how advanced it is already. The GOP is going into the mid-terms very crippled by their complicity so the timing will be fruitful. Trump will have been indicted multiple times by various jurisdictions by then. Trials will probably stretch into 2023 though, but indictments are already here and are right around the corner

Man, I hope you are right. This investigation is moving too slowly for what has been discovered so far.

Quite the opposite. It has only been eight months and the DOJ recently brought charges against Rep. Fortenberry for campaign fraud. That was a mothballed case revived by the DLJ. That means they are going through everything that Bill Barr shut down and are pursuing anything with merit. And they probably all have merit. There was bound to be whistleblowing cases too that never got leaked to the press too.

Pelosi's Jan. 6 Committee is kicking azz and is performing a pincer movement in tandem with Merrick Garland's troops. These people know exactly what they are doing. They are taking down the GOP's worst actors in exactly the way you dismantle the mafia, by working from the bottom up. The DOJ arrested almost 700 insurrectionists for crying out loud.

8 months is freaking nothing. Cool your jets. There are going to be fireworks

[HarthorneWingo]

UK is having another COVID surge.

Get vaccinated folks.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/new-variant-no-masks-driving-uks-latest-covid-surge-rcna3392

New variant? No masks? The U.K. is a Covid outlier again — here's what's driving the surge

LONDON — What a difference three months can make.

On July 19, Britons celebrated as England marked "Freedom Day," seeing a near-full lifting of Covid-19 restrictions. Covid-related hospitalizations and deaths were relatively low, even if cases continued to rise, and the country's vaccination rollout was largely lauded as a success internationally.

On Thursday, there were more than 50,000 infections recorded in the U.K. in a single day — the highest daily count since mid-July and a higher number than reported in Germany, France, Italy, Spain and Portugal combined. The country also saw 115 deaths, with Tuesday marking a daily death toll of 223 people — the highest since March.

Meanwhile, 1 in 55 people in England were estimated to have had Covid in the week up to Oct. 16, according to the U.K. Office for National Statistics, which means as many as 1 million people may have been infected with the virus that week alone.

The rising deaths, spiraling infection rates and overstretched public health system have prompted calls for the government to reassess the lifting of lockdown and containment measures.

"I think that everyone feels concerned as to what might happen over winter," said Dr. Layla McCay, policy director of the National Health Service Confederation, which represents the health care system in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. "It is better to act now than to regret it later."

Experts said there are a range of factors driving Britain's current surge. As the pandemic nears the two-year mark, they are closely monitoring the country's response to rising cases and whether the U.K. is a warning sign for the rest of the world.

NBC News investigated the cocktail of factors driving Britain’s surge and the lessons that can be gleaned from the country’s experience.

Waning vaccines

Britain was one of the first countries to start vaccinating its population, so Britons enjoyed a return to so-called normal life earlier than most.

But now, there are fears that the immunity gained from Covid vaccinations is starting to wane as the delta variant — which has accounted for approximately 99.8 percent of sequenced cases in England, according to a recent government report — as well as a mutation of the variant known as "delta plus" continue to spread.

In addition, the government delayed vaccinating secondary school students, which likely has had a big impact on the virus's spread, according to Danny Altmann, a professor of immunology at Imperial College London.

"I think we paid a very high price for our reticence and delay in vaccinating secondary school children and lost probably a few months on that," he said.

Recent figures released by the Office for National Statistics showed that 1 in 14 secondary school-age children had tested positive for Covid in the week ending Oct. 2.

Because the U.K. rolled out its vaccination program earlier than the rest of Europe, that could also mean protection is waning sooner, especially among older recipients, Altmann added.

"We all assumed that these vaccines would be good and keep us safe for a good year or two, and that possibly would have been true if delta hadn't come along," he said.

Yet, even with the spread of the delta variant, he said the rollout of booster jabs in the U.K. has been slow, which could also be lending to high case rates in the U.K., despite nearly 80 percent of the population over the age of 12 having been fully vaccinated, according to government data.

Dr. Deepti Gurdasani, a clinical epidemiologist at Queen Mary University of London, said she also believed the rollout of the U.K.'s vaccination program, as well as its slow release of booster vaccines, have played a role in the continued rise of Covid cases.

Did 'freedom' come too soon?

The U.K. government's decision to not maintain or reinstate certain Covid containment measures, such as masks being mandatory in enclosed spaces, were also behind the rise, Gurdasani said.

"If you look throughout the pandemic, you can see there is a clear correlation between the level of restrictions in a country and what's happening in the pandemic," she said. "When we have a lockdown, cases always go down because it is an airborne virus."

[ScienceOfLosing]

With all the good the vaccines have done, I am really concerned with these official numbers from VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Reactions Report.) And from what I've heard from multiple nurses, the numbers are very under-reported, at least in some areas. These injury and death numbers from the mRNA vaccines are huge (relative to all past vaccinations.)

https://openvaers.com/covid-data

None of those opaque data tables have any ability to convey co-morbidities. It is hard enough isolate a vaccine as the cause of illness or death, but you're going to want more granular data than this to dig into the issue with any teeth.

I had a really bad reaction to a malaria vaccine once. It sucked. I lost my equilibrium for half a day and was crapping blood. I'd still risk that rather than contract malaria though.

Let's not throw aside government statistics when it hurts the cause. VAERS is The system, the gold standard, we have for reporting vaccine side effects.

The side effects (enlarged hearts, blood clots, prolonged energy loss, etc.) are happening more with the young, so all the statistics shown should not be conflated with old people with comorbidities receiving it.

I would be curious to compare the gene therapy vax with a more tradition CV "dead or weakened virus" variety.

[Clyde_Style]

With all the good the vaccines have done, I am really concerned with these official numbers from VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Reactions Report.) And from what I've heard from multiple nurses, the numbers are very under-reported, at least in some areas. These injury and death numbers from the mRNA vaccines are huge (relative to all past vaccinations.)

https://openvaers.com/covid-data

None of those opaque data tables have any ability to convey co-morbidities. It is hard enough isolate a vaccine as the cause of illness or death, but you're going to want more granular data than this to dig into the issue with any teeth.

I had a really bad reaction to a malaria vaccine once. It sucked. I lost my equilibrium for half a day and was crapping blood. I'd still risk that rather than contract malaria though.

Let's not throw aside government statistics when it hurts the cause. VAERS is The system, the gold standard, we have for reporting vaccine side effects.

The side effects (enlarged hearts, blood clots, prolonged energy loss, etc.) are happening more with the young, so all the statistics shown should not be conflated with old people with comorbidities receiving it.

I would be curious to compare the gene therapy vax with a more tradition CV "dead or weakened virus" variety.

I didn't dismiss it. It is not very granular so the public facing version you're looking at can only convey broad strokes. Without drilling down into co-factors it is not really possible to make any conclusions about cause.

[DOT]

With all the good the vaccines have done, I am really concerned with these official numbers from VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Reactions Report.) And from what I've heard from multiple nurses, the numbers are very under-reported, at least in some areas. These injury and death numbers from the mRNA vaccines are huge (relative to all past vaccinations.)

https://openvaers.com/covid-data

None of those opaque data tables have any ability to convey co-morbidities. It is hard enough isolate a vaccine as the cause of illness or death, but you're going to want more granular data than this to dig into the issue with any teeth.

I had a really bad reaction to a malaria vaccine once. It sucked. I lost my equilibrium for half a day and was crapping blood. I'd still risk that rather than contract malaria though.

Let's not throw aside government statistics when it hurts the cause. VAERS is The system, the gold standard, we have for reporting vaccine side effects.

The side effects (enlarged hearts, blood clots, prolonged energy loss, etc.) are happening more with the young, so all the statistics shown should not be conflated with old people with comorbidities receiving it.

I would be curious to compare the gene therapy vax with a more tradition CV "dead or weakened virus" variety.

Thing about VAERS is, it's an example of correlation, not causation

When someone reports a side effect, it's correlated with the vaccine, but not proven to be because of the vaccine. It's not scientists doing studies on side effects, it's people reporting things they noticed happening around the same time as the vaccine. So, 8,400 heart attacks in a year-ish sounds pretty bad, but 650,000 people died in 2019 due to heart conditions in the US alone. 8.4 thousand heart attacks would be about 1.2% of a year's worth of heart conditions. Statistically speaking, it's not too outrageous to suggest that you could find 8.4 thousand people who had a heart attack within a few days of getting a vaccine which nearly 80% of US adults have when 1.7 thousand heart attacks happen every day in the US. Same thing with miscarriages, there's roughly 100,000 a year in the US, finding 2,631 that correlated with the vaccine is statistically really probable

It's important to note that VAERS was never meant to be a correct representation of wide-ranging side effects of vaccines, but more so to tell researchers what to look for in actual scientific studies. So when the studies contradict VAERS, it's almost certainly more likely VAERS is wrong

There are side effects to the vaccine that are affecting younger people more yes, but in all, it's within what's to be expected of a vaccine. I'd be more worried about the long term side effects of getting Covid, but that's just me.

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[Clyde_Style]

Man, I hope you are right. This investigation is moving too slowly for what has been discovered so far.

Quite the opposite. It has only been eight months and the DOJ recently brought charges against Rep. Fortenberry for campaign fraud. That was a mothballed case revived by the DLJ. That means they are going through everything that Bill Barr shut down and are pursuing anything with merit. And they probably all have merit. There was bound to be whistleblowing cases too that never got leaked to the press too.

Pelosi's Jan. 6 Committee is kicking azz and is performing a pincer movement in tandem with Merrick Garland's troops. These people know exactly what they are doing. They are taking down the GOP's worst actors in exactly the way you dismantle the mafia, by working from the bottom up. The DOJ arrested almost 700 insurrectionists for crying out loud.

8 months is freaking nothing. Cool your jets. There are going to be fireworks

For those wondering when things are going to happen, well the fit is already hitting shan today. Like I said, this is a bottoms up mafia style investigation. Well, they’ve worked up the food chain from the insurrectionists into the heart of Congress already. Paul Gosar is in some very deep treasonous trouble from the sounds of it.

The phrase

Willard Hotel

Will soon replace

Watergate Hotel

In the annals of Presidential Infamy

Rolling Stone is the outlet breaking this story. It’s pretty big. I told y’all some major names in the GOP are going down. This is going to accelerate now that it is out in the open

EXCLUSIVE: Jan. 6 Protest Organizers Say They Participated in ‘Dozens’ of Planning Meetings With Members of Congress and White House Staff

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/exclusive-jan-6-organizers-met-congress-white-house-1245289/

So anyone who is wondering whether justice will happen, just read the article and you’ll see it will. If it is proven Gosar met with Trump and was given the green light to dangle pre-emptive pardons to insurrectionists that’s really game, set and match for putting Trump up on treason charges.

Look, we all know Trump was completely behind the insurrection and his people organized it. It’s bloody obvious. I remember when Rob was saying that day that while Trump was watching the video feed in the tent that he was running this I was still incredulous that a President could be organizing a revolt against his own democracy. But Rob was right. Trump sanctioned everything and it is going to be proven now. The GOP is scurrying like rats now and every one one them involved, and there’s plenty, will have to take a proffer deal or face charges of conspiracy to commit treason.

[HarthorneWingo]

Quite the opposite. It has only been eight months and the DOJ recently brought charges against Rep. Fortenberry for campaign fraud. That was a mothballed case revived by the DLJ. That means they are going through everything that Bill Barr shut down and are pursuing anything with merit. And they probably all have merit. There was bound to be whistleblowing cases too that never got leaked to the press too.

Pelosi's Jan. 6 Committee is kicking azz and is performing a pincer movement in tandem with Merrick Garland's troops. These people know exactly what they are doing. They are taking down the GOP's worst actors in exactly the way you dismantle the mafia, by working from the bottom up. The DOJ arrested almost 700 insurrectionists for crying out loud.

8 months is freaking nothing. Cool your jets. There are going to be fireworks

For those wondering when things are going to happen, well the fit is already hitting shan today. Like I said, this is a bottoms up mafia style investigation. Well, they’ve worked up the food chain from the insurrectionists into the heart of Congress already. Paul Gosar is in some very deep treasonous trouble from the sounds of it.

The phrase

Willard Hotel

Will soon replace

Watergate Hotel

In the annals of Presidential Infamy

Rolling Stone is the outlet breaking this story. It’s pretty big. I told y’all some major names in the GOP are going down. This is going to accelerate now that it is out in the open

EXCLUSIVE: Jan. 6 Protest Organizers Say They Participated in ‘Dozens’ of Planning Meetings With Members of Congress and White House Staff

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/exclusive-jan-6-organizers-met-congress-white-house-1245289/

So anyone who is wondering whether justice will happen, just read the article and you’ll see it will. If it is proven Gosar met with Trump and was given the green light to dangle pre-emptive pardons to insurrectionists that’s really game, set and match for putting Trump up on treason charges.

Look, we all know Trump was completely behind the insurrection and his people organized it. It’s bloody obvious. I remember when Rob was saying that day that while Trump was watching the video feed in the tent that he was running this I was still incredulous that a President could be organizing a revolt against his own democracy. But Rob was right. Trump sanctioned everything and it is going to be proven now. The GOP is scurrying like rats now and every one one them involved, and there’s plenty, will have to take a proffer deal or face charges of conspiracy to commit treason.

Excuse me while I pleasure myself.

[Clyde_Style]

For those wondering when things are going to happen, well the fit is already hitting shan today. Like I said, this is a bottoms up mafia style investigation. Well, they’ve worked up the food chain from the insurrectionists into the heart of Congress already. Paul Gosar is in some very deep treasonous trouble from the sounds of it.

The phrase

Willard Hotel

Will soon replace

Watergate Hotel

In the annals of Presidential Infamy

Rolling Stone is the outlet breaking this story. It’s pretty big. I told y’all some major names in the GOP are going down. This is going to accelerate now that it is out in the open

EXCLUSIVE: Jan. 6 Protest Organizers Say They Participated in ‘Dozens’ of Planning Meetings With Members of Congress and White House Staff

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/exclusive-jan-6-organizers-met-congress-white-house-1245289/

So anyone who is wondering whether justice will happen, just read the article and you’ll see it will. If it is proven Gosar met with Trump and was given the green light to dangle pre-emptive pardons to insurrectionists that’s really game, set and match for putting Trump up on treason charges.

Look, we all know Trump was completely behind the insurrection and his people organized it. It’s bloody obvious. I remember when Rob was saying that day that while Trump was watching the video feed in the tent that he was running this I was still incredulous that a President could be organizing a revolt against his own democracy. But Rob was right. Trump sanctioned everything and it is going to be proven now. The GOP is scurrying like rats now and every one one them involved, and there’s plenty, will have to take a proffer deal or face charges of conspiracy to commit treason.

Excuse me while I pleasure myself.

Try using the pincer movement Pelosi is orchestrating with Garland