RS 21/22 - Mavs @ Raptors (Sat. 7:30PM EST)

[Maverick41]

Geez people let's just be happy that we won today

[arkuo]

He's KP fan. Narrative is that KP is playing bad because of Luka being ballhog.

I knew the gypsies would come out with that comment. Sell me some of that magic potion, will ya?.

Luka being ballhog comes from KP's camp, so it's not that difficult to foretell.

Where is KP's camp? That stiff will get traded to another team soon.

[Bob8]

I knew the gypsies would come out with that comment. Sell me some of that magic potion, will ya?.

Luka being ballhog comes from KP's camp, so it's not that difficult to foretell.

Where is KP's camp? That stiff will get traded to another team soon.

Then I apologise for putting you in a wrong camp.

I still don't agree that Luka and Mavs can play much different. I don't know how they made that roster, but vast majority of players not only can't create anything, they cannot do simple dribble either. It's just baffling how bad they're in that department. Having team like that, Luka playing off ball is useless. Btw. Luka was playing a lot off ball before Nba in Europe.
Regarding last year's playoffs. They have lost the series because of bench and not be able to defend anything, not because Luka's system wasn't working.

[arkuo]

Luka being ballhog comes from KP's camp, so it's not that difficult to foretell.

Where is KP's camp? That stiff will get traded to another team soon.

Then I apologise for putting you in a wrong camp.

I still don't agree that Luka and Mavs can play much different. I don't know how they made that roster, but vast majority of players not only can't create anything, they cannot do simple dribble either. It's just baffling how bad they're in that department. Having team like that, Luka playing off ball is useless. Btw. Luka was playing a lot off ball before Nba in Europe.
Regarding last year's playoffs. They have lost the series because of bench and not be able to defend anything, not because Luka's system wasn't working.

Like I said in an earlier post, Luka needs a clean slate of a team to build with better fitting pieces. DFS, Powell, Kleber, THJ and KP were all taken either before he was drafted or before the team was aware what kind of game he was capable of playing. Essentially Luka has pieces right now that would fit Dirk's style of play, but not his own. Because essentially that's what Donnie Nelson sat on for 10 years. The only solution to fix that mess is for a clean slate. Trade the whole cast of allow them to finish their current contracts so you can get new guys to come in. Cuban extending Powell to his contract was the wrong move.

[boogiezen]

If the team has the right personnel then I agree, the heliocentric will not work. But with this current lineup? Hahaha! ATL game showed. This team can't compete with the big boys. And that's a fact.

[Bob8]

Where is KP's camp? That stiff will get traded to another team soon.

Then I apologise for putting you in a wrong camp.

I still don't agree that Luka and Mavs can play much different. I don't know how they made that roster, but vast majority of players not only can't create anything, they cannot do simple dribble either. It's just baffling how bad they're in that department. Having team like that, Luka playing off ball is useless. Btw. Luka was playing a lot off ball before Nba in Europe.
Regarding last year's playoffs. They have lost the series because of bench and not be able to defend anything, not because Luka's system wasn't working.

Like I said in an earlier post, Luka needs a clean slate of a team to build with better fitting pieces. DFS, Powell, Kleber, THJ and KP were all taken either before he was drafted or before the team was aware what kind of game he was capable of playing. Essentially Luka has pieces right now that would fit Dirk's style of play, but not his own. Because essentially that's what Donnie Nelson sat on for 10 years. The only solution to fix that mess is for a clean slate. Trade the whole cast of allow them to finish their current contracts so you can get new guys to come in. Cuban extending Powell to his contract was the wrong move.

Ok. But why you're complaining how Luka plays, if we agree that's the only possibility?

[GeorgeGervin]

The complaints about Luka stem from post season play. He can put on a clinic during the regular season with 50 pts, 50 ast and 50 rebounds per game. But its in the palyoffs when teams go small and put a longer guy on Luka which they go 6 or 7 games in a series. You cant pull off the same tricks for 6 or 7 games. Playoff teams adjust. It's the same movie running on it's 3rd year now. Heliocentric basketball does not work in the playoffs. But it does produce great fantasy numbers for the regular season.

What are you talking about? Aside from his FTs, Luka plays great in the playoffs. The problem really is the support.The clips went small because Luka killed the bigs(making them unplayable) and they figured out that KP can't really score on anyone. If you want the Mavs to move away from the helio centric offense, then they need to bring in players who can playmake, players who can create their own shot etc. Basically an upgrade of talent is needed.

His stats look great because teams are giving him the Giannis treatment. Let him score all he wants and shut down everyone else. At some point he'll realize he wont be able to score 70 on his own and will run out of gas by the 4th. Which the clippers have been doing to Luka.

That was the whole point in getting Kyle Lowry in the summer. But he just chose Miami. Basically Luka needs better fitting players around him. THJ, Powell, DFS, KP and Kleber were all taken either before he arrived or before the team actually saw what he was capable of doing. Donnie sat on it thinking he had a few years to burn before Luka was ready to compete. That fat phuck is the reason why the team stagnated for a decade.

Yeah sure, that's exactly what the opposing teams think when they always throw their best defender at Luka and double team him on tons of possessions.

[arkuo]

What are you talking about? Aside from his FTs, Luka plays great in the playoffs. The problem really is the support.The clips went small because Luka killed the bigs(making them unplayable) and they figured out that KP can't really score on anyone. If you want the Mavs to move away from the helio centric offense, then they need to bring in players who can playmake, players who can create their own shot etc. Basically an upgrade of talent is needed.

His stats look great because teams are giving him the Giannis treatment. Let him score all he wants and shut down everyone else. At some point he'll realize he wont be able to score 70 on his own and will run out of gas by the 4th. Which the clippers have been doing to Luka.

That was the whole point in getting Kyle Lowry in the summer. But he just chose Miami. Basically Luka needs better fitting players around him. THJ, Powell, DFS, KP and Kleber were all taken either before he arrived or before the team actually saw what he was capable of doing. Donnie sat on it thinking he had a few years to burn before Luka was ready to compete. That fat phuck is the reason why the team stagnated for a decade.

Yeah sure, that's exactly what the opposing teams think when they always throw their best defender at Luka and double team him on tons of possessions.

Yeah sure. The same way the Clippers parked Kawhi and Paul George on Dorian Finney Smith to save energy because he just stands in the corner while Luka dances around for a fadeaway step back 35 footer. They've done it for 2 years in a row now. I'm guessing you don't watch a lot of basketball.

A lot of people like the James Harden type of game because it's flashy, it lands on a lot of highlight reels, and gets youtube likes. Other than turning CP3 into a spot up shooter, has Harden ball won anything?

[Bob8]

His stats look great because teams are giving him the Giannis treatment. Let him score all he wants and shut down everyone else. At some point he'll realize he wont be able to score 70 on his own and will run out of gas by the 4th. Which the clippers have been doing to Luka.

That was the whole point in getting Kyle Lowry in the summer. But he just chose Miami. Basically Luka needs better fitting players around him. THJ, Powell, DFS, KP and Kleber were all taken either before he arrived or before the team actually saw what he was capable of doing. Donnie sat on it thinking he had a few years to burn before Luka was ready to compete. That fat phuck is the reason why the team stagnated for a decade.

Yeah sure, that's exactly what the opposing teams think when they always throw their best defender at Luka and double team him on tons of possessions.

Yeah sure. The same way the Clippers parked Kawhi and Paul George on Dorian Finney Smith to save energy because he just stands in the corner while Luka dances around for a fadeaway step back 35 footer. They've done it for 2 years in a row now. I'm guessing you don't watch a lot of basketball.

A lot of people like the James Harden type of game because it's flashy, it lands on a lot of highlight reels, and gets youtube likes. Other than turning CP3 into a spot up shooter, has Harden ball won anything?

Mavs have much easier solution in that case. Trade rather Luka instead and get a fortune for him, you won't win, your words, anything with him anyway.

Btw. what has CP3 won in his career?

[arkuo]

Yeah sure, that's exactly what the opposing teams think when they always throw their best defender at Luka and double team him on tons of possessions.

Yeah sure. The same way the Clippers parked Kawhi and Paul George on Dorian Finney Smith to save energy because he just stands in the corner while Luka dances around for a fadeaway step back 35 footer. They've done it for 2 years in a row now. I'm guessing you don't watch a lot of basketball.

A lot of people like the James Harden type of game because it's flashy, it lands on a lot of highlight reels, and gets youtube likes. Other than turning CP3 into a spot up shooter, has Harden ball won anything?

Mavs have much easier solution in that case. Trade rather Luka instead and get a fortune for him, you won't win, your words, anything with him anyway.

Btw. what has CP3 won in his career?

The thing is, I dont think Cuban will trade the guy. Probably if there is a substantial return. But knowing Cuban (a guy who feels like he is the smartest guy in the room), he'll shark tank this situation and not go anywhere. Cuban has been passing up on talent left and right every offseason. He could have easily signed other guys this offseason when Lowry declined his offer. But maybe it's his ego that prevented him to court other players. The "I don't need you anyway" attitude has been prevalent on him.

[GeorgeGervin]

His stats look great because teams are giving him the Giannis treatment. Let him score all he wants and shut down everyone else. At some point he'll realize he wont be able to score 70 on his own and will run out of gas by the 4th. Which the clippers have been doing to Luka.

That was the whole point in getting Kyle Lowry in the summer. But he just chose Miami. Basically Luka needs better fitting players around him. THJ, Powell, DFS, KP and Kleber were all taken either before he arrived or before the team actually saw what he was capable of doing. Donnie sat on it thinking he had a few years to burn before Luka was ready to compete. That fat phuck is the reason why the team stagnated for a decade.

Yeah sure, that's exactly what the opposing teams think when they always throw their best defender at Luka and double team him on tons of possessions.

Yeah sure. The same way the Clippers parked Kawhi and Paul George on Dorian Finney Smith to save energy because he just stands in the corner while Luka dances around for a fadeaway step back 35 footer. They've done it for 2 years in a row now. I'm guessing you don't watch a lot of basketball.

A lot of people like the James Harden type of game because it's flashy, it lands on a lot of highlight reels, and gets youtube likes. Other than turning CP3 into a spot up shooter, has Harden ball won anything?

One message and already a personal attack ?
This is so toxic.

You can check by yourself, this is game 7 :

Watch on YouTube

Tell me that you too see that primary Doncic defender is Kawhi. And when it's not Kawhi it's Batum, who is arguably even a better defender than PG13. It's true that Kawhi doesn't always guard the best players because he needs energy as the Clippers' best offensive player, but he, PG13, Batum and Morris (all very good wing defenders) took turns defending Doncic.
And you can also see the big number of times they double teamed him.
Oh, and Lue took Beverley and Zubac out of the rotation because Doncic was scoring on them every time but sure the Clippers' strategy was to let Doncic score all he wanted.

[arkuo]

Yeah sure, that's exactly what the opposing teams think when they always throw their best defender at Luka and double team him on tons of possessions.

Yeah sure. The same way the Clippers parked Kawhi and Paul George on Dorian Finney Smith to save energy because he just stands in the corner while Luka dances around for a fadeaway step back 35 footer. They've done it for 2 years in a row now. I'm guessing you don't watch a lot of basketball.

A lot of people like the James Harden type of game because it's flashy, it lands on a lot of highlight reels, and gets youtube likes. Other than turning CP3 into a spot up shooter, has Harden ball won anything?

One message and already a personal attack ?
This is so toxic.

You can check by yourself, this is game 7 :

Watch on YouTube

Tell me that you too see that primary Doncic defender is Kawhi. And when it's not Kawhi it's Batum, who is arguably even a better defender than PG13. It's true that Kawhi doesn't always guard the best players because he needs energy as the Clippers' best offensive player, but he, PG13, Batum and Morris (all very good wing defenders) took turns defending Doncic.
And you can also see the big number of times they double teamed him.
Oh, and Lue took Beverley and Zubac out of the rotation because Doncic was scoring on them every time but sure the Clippers' strategy was to let Doncic score all he wanted.

So you conveniently pick out the last game in the series. Because clearly teams never adjust and employ the same strategies in games 1 through 7 game in a playoff series. Right.

But that has been the tune all playoffs for 2 years now. Doncic has been doing the same thing for the regular season and the playoffs, Lue has been toying them with Carlisle having to start Boban in a playoff game, and so far has produced the same results. Harden ball doesn't work, until he or Harden himself proves otherwise. I'd be glad to be proven wrong when Harden or Luka win something with the same type of play.

[Mavrelous]

I'm all for taking Luka off ball, but Mavs have no one to be on ball, right now they have to ride Luka, that's why Lowry and Conley were constantly mentiined here.
Defense is good, Offense needs to go back to RC style, better spacing and better defined roles.

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[GeorgeGervin]

Yeah sure. The same way the Clippers parked Kawhi and Paul George on Dorian Finney Smith to save energy because he just stands in the corner while Luka dances around for a fadeaway step back 35 footer. They've done it for 2 years in a row now. I'm guessing you don't watch a lot of basketball.

A lot of people like the James Harden type of game because it's flashy, it lands on a lot of highlight reels, and gets youtube likes. Other than turning CP3 into a spot up shooter, has Harden ball won anything?

One message and already a personal attack ?
This is so toxic.

You can check by yourself, this is game 7 :

Watch on YouTube

Tell me that you too see that primary Doncic defender is Kawhi. And when it's not Kawhi it's Batum, who is arguably even a better defender than PG13. It's true that Kawhi doesn't always guard the best players because he needs energy as the Clippers' best offensive player, but he, PG13, Batum and Morris (all very good wing defenders) took turns defending Doncic.
And you can also see the big number of times they double teamed him.
Oh, and Lue took Beverley and Zubac out of the rotation because Doncic was scoring on them every time but sure the Clippers' strategy was to let Doncic score all he wanted.

So you conveniently pick out the last game in the series. Because clearly teams never adjust and employ the same strategies in games 1 through 7 game in a playoff series. Right.

But that has been the tune all playoffs for 2 years now. Doncic has been doing the same thing for the regular season and the playoffs, Lue has been toying them with Carlisle having to start Boban in a playoff game, and so far has produced the same results. Harden ball doesn't work, until he or Harden himself proves otherwise. I'd be glad to be proven wrong when Harden or Luka win something with the same type of play.

So you just proved my point thank you : the Clippers adjusted in order to limit Doncic's scoring, not to let him "score all he wants".

[GeorgeGervin]

I'm all for taking Luka off ball, but Mavs have no one to be on ball, right now they have to ride Luka, that's why Lowry and Conley were constantly mentiined here.
Defense is good, Offense needs to go back to RC style, better spacing and better defined roles.

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To be fair I'm not sure Luka can be a great off-ball player, we haven't seen that from him in years.

[arkuo]

One message and already a personal attack ?
This is so toxic.

You can check by yourself, this is game 7 :

Watch on YouTube

Tell me that you too see that primary Doncic defender is Kawhi. And when it's not Kawhi it's Batum, who is arguably even a better defender than PG13. It's true that Kawhi doesn't always guard the best players because he needs energy as the Clippers' best offensive player, but he, PG13, Batum and Morris (all very good wing defenders) took turns defending Doncic.
And you can also see the big number of times they double teamed him.
Oh, and Lue took Beverley and Zubac out of the rotation because Doncic was scoring on them every time but sure the Clippers' strategy was to let Doncic score all he wanted.

So you conveniently pick out the last game in the series. Because clearly teams never adjust and employ the same strategies in games 1 through 7 game in a playoff series. Right.

But that has been the tune all playoffs for 2 years now. Doncic has been doing the same thing for the regular season and the playoffs, Lue has been toying them with Carlisle having to start Boban in a playoff game, and so far has produced the same results. Harden ball doesn't work, until he or Harden himself proves otherwise. I'd be glad to be proven wrong when Harden or Luka win something with the same type of play.

So you just proved my point thank you : the Clippers adjusted in order to limit Doncic's scoring, not to let him "score all he wants".

If that makes your day better, then sure buddy. Knock yourself out. Remind me to bring some confetti next time around.

[arkuo]

I'm all for taking Luka off ball, but Mavs have no one to be on ball, right now they have to ride Luka, that's why Lowry and Conley were constantly mentiined here.
Defense is good, Offense needs to go back to RC style, better spacing and better defined roles.

Sent from my SM-N986B using RealGM mobile app

To be fair I'm not sure Luka can be a great off-ball player, we haven't seen that from him in years.

He can't. That's the point. He needs another player of the same caliber who can do the same thing he does. James Harden needed KD to take shots. Lebron needed Kyrie to take shots. It's not so much about moving well off ball, but to get someone who can score just as much so Luka can just either take it easy on some possessions or rest on the bench so he doesnt average 40 mins per.

[GeorgeGervin]

So you conveniently pick out the last game in the series. Because clearly teams never adjust and employ the same strategies in games 1 through 7 game in a playoff series. Right.

But that has been the tune all playoffs for 2 years now. Doncic has been doing the same thing for the regular season and the playoffs, Lue has been toying them with Carlisle having to start Boban in a playoff game, and so far has produced the same results. Harden ball doesn't work, until he or Harden himself proves otherwise. I'd be glad to be proven wrong when Harden or Luka win something with the same type of play.

So you just proved my point thank you : the Clippers adjusted in order to limit Doncic's scoring, not to let him "score all he wants".

If that makes your day better, then sure buddy. Knock yourself out. Remind me to bring some confetti next time around.

Dude you're so toxic.
I just prove you wrong : the Clippers threw their best defenders at Doncic (taking turns in order to stay fresh), double teams, and made constant adjustments throughout the series to limit him. Like I said remember that Zubac and Beverley started the series by playing 20mpg and finished it by almost not playing at all, because of Doncic torching them.
So you're wrong, the Clippers' strategy was the opposite of letting him score, and now you're throwing the childish attacks just to avoid admitting you're wrong.

[Archx]

Yeah sure, that's exactly what the opposing teams think when they always throw their best defender at Luka and double team him on tons of possessions.

Yeah sure. The same way the Clippers parked Kawhi and Paul George on Dorian Finney Smith to save energy because he just stands in the corner while Luka dances around for a fadeaway step back 35 footer. They've done it for 2 years in a row now. I'm guessing you don't watch a lot of basketball.

A lot of people like the James Harden type of game because it's flashy, it lands on a lot of highlight reels, and gets youtube likes. Other than turning CP3 into a spot up shooter, has Harden ball won anything?

One message and already a personal attack ?
This is so toxic.

You can check by yourself, this is game 7 :

Watch on YouTube

Tell me that you too see that primary Doncic defender is Kawhi. And when it's not Kawhi it's Batum, who is arguably even a better defender than PG13. It's true that Kawhi doesn't always guard the best players because he needs energy as the Clippers' best offensive player, but he, PG13, Batum and Morris (all very good wing defenders) took turns defending Doncic.
And you can also see the big number of times they double teamed him.
Oh, and Lue took Beverley and Zubac out of the rotation because Doncic was scoring on them every time but sure the Clippers' strategy was to let Doncic score all he wanted.

Don't bother with arkuo, he doesn't like Doncic and thinks KP should be primary focus on offense. He said the same BS last season and completely ignores the fact that Mavs team isn't built the way he wants them to play. JVG on air said LAC had each game rotating 8 to 9 different players when they were guarding Luka. If they really wanted him to just score, that wouldn't have been the case. His argument is incredibly silly and makes no sense. We all watched those games.

We could see it in the 2nd half of this game vs Raptors. Luka went back to his old ways, more PnR, solo action and kick outs to open guys and it magically worked. So yeah

[41Dirk41]

If you watched Luka play in Real Madrid you seen that he was never been so dominant like Mavs days because Madrid was full of good player... He has to monopolize the offense for win games.

Dallas roster is full of players who if don't make 3 are pretty useless.