Cade's agent and "team" coming to Detroit to meet with Weaver about when he can start playing.

[Pistonrings]

I was wondering about something. I know this is just well, childish wondering, but what would the NBA do if we found out there was something seriously wrong with Cade's foot and he was told he should never play in the NBA, so he exits basketball forever?I mean, would the NBA give the Pistons another number 1 pick?. Maybe some lower pick to compensate? I mean, would the Istons just be out there number 1 pick and the NBA says, "oh well, maybe you'll get the first pick in another 51 years". What is the rule for something like this? Could the NBA help even if they wanted to or would others teams say no?.

[FloridaMan78]

Yea I just want to know when he’s coming back. Y’all can argue about nefarious ish. Anyone have any idea?

No one knows if we did this thread wouldn't be near this long

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Yea no way I was reading all this craziness lol.

[Manocad]

Wooo, Manocad hasn't responded to me and I think he and I actually reached a mutual stance together.

Manocad, you and I can now be bestest buddies, we can pal around now. You could invite me over for a meal and we could bond.

Remember that Farley motivational speaker skit, the one where Christina Applegate hosted and the got the motivation speaker to talk them about the evils of weed. He picked up David Spade and hugged him and said we'll be bestest buds.

Lol, he said "I hear you haven't been using that paper for writing, but for, ROLLIN DOOBIES"' lol
https://youtu.be/Xv2VIEY9-A8

That's how close we are now Manocad

I actually do take breaks from RealGM to watch college football.

I have kids so I know all about childish behavior. Certainly we've reached a mutual stance--you believe you've won something and I don't think you've done anything but mentally masturbate through multiple posts. Need a wet wipe for your noggin?

[440BB]

I hope the Pistons recognize that they're playing in a hockey rink and report injuries accordingly.

Undisclosed injury, out for the next game.

Done.

[The Moose]

I was wondering about something. I know this is just well, childish wondering, but what would the NBA do if we found out there was something seriously wrong with Cade's foot and he was told he should never play in the NBA, so he exits basketball forever?I mean, would the NBA give the Pistons another number 1 pick?. Maybe some lower pick to compensate? I mean, would the Istons just be out there number 1 pick and the NBA says, "oh well, maybe you'll get the first pick in another 51 years". What is the rule for something like this? Could the NBA help even if they wanted to or would others teams say no?.

Ask Blazers fans regarding Greg Oden , all you get is pain and what if’s

[Pistonrings]

Wooo, Manocad hasn't responded to me and I think he and I actually reached a mutual stance together.

Manocad, you and I can now be bestest buddies, we can pal around now. You could invite me over for a meal and we could bond.

Remember that Farley motivational speaker skit, the one where Christina Applegate hosted and the got the motivation speaker to talk them about the evils of weed. He picked up David Spade and hugged him and said we'll be bestest buds.

Lol, he said "I hear you haven't been using that paper for writing, but for, ROLLIN DOOBIES"' lol
https://youtu.be/Xv2VIEY9-A8

That's how close we are now Manocad

I actually do take breaks from RealGM to watch college football.

I have kids so I know all about childish behavior. Certainly we've reached a mutual stance--you believe you've won something and I don't think you've done anything but mentally masturbate through multiple posts. Need a wet wipe for your noggin?

Yep, we are best buds. What do they call it, BFF's?.

[Manocad]

Wooo, Manocad hasn't responded to me and I think he and I actually reached a mutual stance together.

Manocad, you and I can now be bestest buddies, we can pal around now. You could invite me over for a meal and we could bond.

Remember that Farley motivational speaker skit, the one where Christina Applegate hosted and the got the motivation speaker to talk them about the evils of weed. He picked up David Spade and hugged him and said we'll be bestest buds.

Lol, he said "I hear you haven't been using that paper for writing, but for, ROLLIN DOOBIES"' lol
https://youtu.be/Xv2VIEY9-A8

That's how close we are now Manocad

I actually do take breaks from RealGM to watch college football.

I have kids so I know all about childish behavior. Certainly we've reached a mutual stance--you believe you've won something and I don't think you've done anything but mentally masturbate through multiple posts. Need a wet wipe for your noggin?

Yep, we are best buds. What do they call it, BFF's?.

Not unless you're an investment manager with a great track record or have a couple hundred acres of wooded land in Tennessee to sell. I've got plenty of friends.

[Kilo]

Seems it could be a pain tolerance issue. It was mentioned he's not in a boot or on crutches but "still feeling pain" in the ankle. And given how Detroit Org keeps reporting he's always close - certainly thinks they're waiting on Cade to say he's feeling good enough to play. He might need to realize nobody is feeling 100% sooner than later. Pistons org might be making themselves look like fools with their faulty reports to cover for Cade being a powder puff.

[gusman]

This just looks bad. I do not know what else to say at this point. It seems that a lot of teams will be tanking hard this year in our fight for the number 1 pick.

[DBC10]

Seems it could be a pain tolerance issue. It was mentioned he's not in a boot or on crutches but "still feeling pain" in the ankle. And given how Detroit Org keeps reporting he's always close - certainly thinks they're waiting on Cade to say he's feeling good enough to play. He might need to realize nobody is feeling 100% sooner than later. Pistons org might be making themselves look like fools with their faulty reports to cover for Cade being a powder puff.

Kind of makes you wonder how much of a beast Stew is after him rolling it hard enough for a boot during the Olympics summer workouts. Now he's back and looking like he does

[Manocad]

Seems it could be a pain tolerance issue. It was mentioned he's not in a boot or on crutches but "still feeling pain" in the ankle. And given how Detroit Org keeps reporting he's always close - certainly thinks they're waiting on Cade to say he's feeling good enough to play. He might need to realize nobody is feeling 100% sooner than later. Pistons org might be making themselves look like fools with their faulty reports to cover for Cade being a powder puff.

Kind of makes you wonder how much of a beast Stew is after him rolling it hard enough for a boot during the Olympics summer workouts. Now he's back and looking like he does

Let's review.

Stew rolled his ankle on July 8. He himself said he was OUT FIVE WEEKS before the ankle started progressing and was affected for a total of 8 weeks.

It was first reported on October 1 that Cade had rolled his ankle, was experiencing some swelling but was expected to be back for the home opener.

Do the math.

[Manocad]

I must admit I'm amazed how many people here have clearly never rolled an ankle. If you haven't, what's your basis for insisting on there being an exact timeline for when it will heal, that it shouldn't take this long, etc.? It's not an exact science. I get it that you don't like the answers you've gotten but you not liking the answer doesn't mean it's wrong, and sure as hell doesn't mean you know better. Last I recall no one here is a doctor and even if someone was, they're not Cade's doctor. Leave the analysis to the experts.

[zeebneeb]

I must admit I'm amazed how many people here have clearly never rolled an ankle. If you haven't, what's your basis for insisting on there being an exact timeline for when it will heal, that it shouldn't take this long, etc.? It's not an exact science. I get it that you don't like the answers you've gotten but you not liking the answer doesn't mean it's wrong, and sure as hell doesn't mean you know better. Last I recall no one here is a doctor and even if someone was, they're not Cade's doctor. Leave the analysis to the experts.

Whats funny about this, is when I was younger and used to hoop all the time, my nickname was "ankles". I had the worst damn luck, always managing to land on another players foot, the odd obstruction, and one time someone dropped a mountain dew bottle, it rolled onto the court, and I landed on it badly. Just crap luck. Time to heal varied wildly, depending on severity, and where the ankle was rolled.(once took 3 months for my ankle to feel right, and it took weeks afterwards for me mentally to become unafraid to play my usual game.)

On topic, I think that most people take umbrage with not being clear on what exactly is happening. This isn't your run of the mill Pistons #7-10 draft pick, so interest is much higher, as expected.

Hell, when Cade didn't travel with the team, didn't it take a few days before they explained why he didn't travel with the team? I chalk some of this up to them not realizing that expectations are higher when you land that #1 pick, and how high interest would be in Detroit, starved for a superstar.

That's my take at least.

[God Squad]

Can a Pistons fan OTHER than Manocad explain what's going with Cade? Only because he seems to discredit everyone else's opinion on the matter.

Is the injury worse than initially though? Are they just keeping him out longer as a precaution? Or maybe it's a little bit of both and didn't want to lose them ticket sales?

[440BB]

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I think that sums it up at this point.

[Manocad]

Can a Pistons fan OTHER than Manocad explain what's going with Cade? Only because he seems to discredit everyone else's opinion on the matter.

Is the injury worse than initially though? Are they just keeping him out longer as a precaution? Or maybe it's a little bit of both and didn't want to lose them ticket sales?

The facts are:

He suffered what was stated as a "minor rolled ankle" sometime shortly before Oct. 1 when it was first reported. The team said he experienced some swelling but was on track for Game 1 last Wednesday. Then it was announced that he was out for Game 1 and until at least Oct. 30. In the time since the injury was first announced Cade has been videoed without a cast, without crutches, without a boot, without a wrap, and functioning pretty normally on the court. However the team has more than once stated that they absolutely are being cautious about bringing him back.

As was pointed out previously, when Isaiah Stewart rolled his ankle practicing with Team USA over the summer he himself said he was out--OUT--five weeks BEFORE the ankle started to progress, then it was another three weeks before he was back.

Those are facts and are not disputed. The only thing that can be derived from those facts from a medical standpoint is that obviously the ankle is taking longer to heal than expected but isn't something serious. All I can draw from is my own experience of a rolled ankle taking 6-8 weeks before it was back to normal which certainly is in line with what's going on here. The only things I've discredited are the opinions--which generally have been presented as statements of fact--that the injury is something more serious that the team is purposely covering up, and that it shouldn't take this long for a rolled ankle to heal. Medical conditions aren't about opinions, at least not from anyone who isn't Cade's doctor, isn't a doctor, and never even had a rolled ankle. Thus making statements that the team is covering up something more serious or that it shouldn't take this long to heal is simply off base, plain as that. And if you've read these posts you'll see that no one has challenged any of that from a medical standpoint. Everything has been "But if that's the case, why didn't the team do this? Since they didn't do this but did that it means that they're covering up/it's more serious/blah blah blah."

[thesack12]

Seems it could be a pain tolerance issue. It was mentioned he's not in a boot or on crutches but "still feeling pain" in the ankle. And given how Detroit Org keeps reporting he's always close - certainly thinks they're waiting on Cade to say he's feeling good enough to play. He might need to realize nobody is feeling 100% sooner than later. Pistons org might be making themselves look like fools with their faulty reports to cover for Cade being a powder puff.

Kind of makes you wonder how much of a beast Stew is after him rolling it hard enough for a boot during the Olympics summer workouts. Now he's back and looking like he does

Yeah, after shedding his walking boot Stewart himself said he was "feeling fine, and I'm ahead of schedule."

Whatever that schedule was we don't know, because the team never made an announcement on a timeline let alone what the severity of the injury was. Whatever was wrong with Stew's ankle, it was obviously serious enough to require a walking boot.

[thesack12]

Can a Pistons fan OTHER than Manocad explain what's going with Cade? Only because he seems to discredit everyone else's opinion on the matter.

Is the injury worse than initially though? Are they just keeping him out longer as a precaution? Or maybe it's a little bit of both and didn't want to lose them ticket sales?

A quick twitter timeline...

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We went from "very mild turned ankle" on October 1st and expected to play in the 1st preseason game, to being "on course" for the season opener, to missing the first 4 games of the season (at least) and not even traveling with the team, to still has pain with some movements after 23 days of recovering.

So to summarize, this saga has went from Cade expecting to miss 0 games (including preseason), to now 24 days later he still hasn't gotten in a full practice and is not even traveling with the team.

[DBC10]

Seems it could be a pain tolerance issue. It was mentioned he's not in a boot or on crutches but "still feeling pain" in the ankle. And given how Detroit Org keeps reporting he's always close - certainly thinks they're waiting on Cade to say he's feeling good enough to play. He might need to realize nobody is feeling 100% sooner than later. Pistons org might be making themselves look like fools with their faulty reports to cover for Cade being a powder puff.

Kind of makes you wonder how much of a beast Stew is after him rolling it hard enough for a boot during the Olympics summer workouts. Now he's back and looking like he does

Let's review.

Stew rolled his ankle on July 8. He himself said he was OUT FIVE WEEKS before the ankle started progressing and was affected for a total of 8 weeks.

It was first reported on October 1 that Cade had rolled his ankle, was experiencing some swelling but was expected to be back for the home opener.

Do the math.

Lighten up, Francis

I'm not discrediting Cade's time frame nor downplaying the injury itself. I was actually lightheartedly amused and amazed at how he healed up after such an injury and looking as strong as ever. It's potentially good news for Cades recovery and time frame as well

It's good to be young, that's for sure

[Manocad]

And there you have it. The important part obviously is that there's no pain. The only person who can definitively state that there's no pain is Cade and if there is still pain, no one, not even Cade, can definitively state WHEN there will be no pain. End of story.

"But why didn't the team say right off the bat that it was possible for it to take 4 weeks or even more for it to heal?" Because obviously they don't want to turn people off and it was possible that the ankle would have been fine after 3-4 weeks. And that still will be the case if Cade plays on Oct. 30. Beyond that, they probably also figure that most people have at least a cursory knowledge of rolled/turned/sprained ankles and if not, will take the doctor's opinion/team's statement at face value.

Look at it this way--if Cade had broken his ankle, was in a cast, and the team had not issued a definitive timeline for his return right after being put in a cast up to even three weeks later, would anyone after three weeks be barking "WHAT'S GOING ON? WHY ISN'T HE BACK? WHAT ARE THEY COVERING UP?" No, of course not. Why? Because broken ankles requiring a cast don't heal in three weeks. Any doctor will tell you that and most people know that. So in this situation people are speculating because A) they apparently don't know how long rolled ankles can take to heal, and what I believe is the bigger reason, B) they simply didn't get the answer/result they wanted.