Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1

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[RexBoyWonder]

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[shanedude]

Funny enough, becoming the human victory cigar might finally be what Haslem needs to realize it's time to hang it up

I was thinking the exact same thing. UD realized that he is in fact, just the mascot. After getting embarrassed by the crowd and Bam, he finally understands his shtick is just that. Dude really was drinking his own culture kool aid all these years. Calling himself Captain

[MadD23]

Good to see everyone loves Tyler again. I really like this team, a combination of those 90's type defensive dogs but pushing the pace and playing fast on offense. Once Dipo returns, this team will be a problem to deal with.

I’m not sold on Herro after one game. Consistency more than anything else is what I want to see. Good start, but he must continue to progress.

30 tonight, keep watching

[oreon]

Funny enough, becoming the human victory cigar might finally be what Haslem needs to realize it's time to hang it up

I was thinking the exact same thing. UD realized that he is in fact, just the mascot. After getting embarrassed by the crowd and Bam, he finally understands his shtick is just that. Dude really was drinking his own culture kool aid all these years. Calling himself Captain

I didn't care as much past season. But now that we are contending wasting a roster spot on UD is hurting the team. This team needs a backup pg, a backup wing and a backup PF. I don't trust our current options at those positions at the moment

[puppa bear]

Funny enough, becoming the human victory cigar might finally be what Haslem needs to realize it's time to hang it up

I was thinking the exact same thing. UD realized that he is in fact, just the mascot. After getting embarrassed by the crowd and Bam, he finally understands his shtick is just that. Dude really was drinking his own culture kool aid all these years. Calling himself Captain

I didn't care as much past season. But now that we are contending wasting a roster spot on UD is hurting the team. This team needs a backup pg, a backup wing and a backup PF. I don't trust our current options at those positions at the moment

Once Dipo is back the PG/wing issue isn’t going to be as big a problem. But the PF will still be an issue.

Robinson simultaneously makes too much and not enough. There aren’t many options for trading him once we can, unless someone wants to speed up their timeline & deal a rookie + filler for him. The main targets for him would be teams wanting to make the PO (eg Kings) or with an impatient star (eg Pels).

My ideal would be to have something like a buy-out of Wall. We can move Herro to the starting unit and package Robinson/KZ/? for someone who can add more from the SF/PF spot.

Lowry/Wall/Vincent
Herro/Dipo/Strus
Jimmy/?/Strus
PJ/?/Morris
Bam/Dedmon

If we’re sending out $17.2m we can take a little less than that back without getting into the tax. We do have just under $7m under the hard cap, so we can upgrade to a player about $22m.

[harlem_ball]

I was thinking the exact same thing. UD realized that he is in fact, just the mascot. After getting embarrassed by the crowd and Bam, he finally understands his shtick is just that. Dude really was drinking his own culture kool aid all these years. Calling himself Captain

I didn't care as much past season. But now that we are contending wasting a roster spot on UD is hurting the team. This team needs a backup pg, a backup wing and a backup PF. I don't trust our current options at those positions at the moment

Once Dipo is back the PG/wing issue isn’t going to be as big a problem. But the PF will still be an issue.

Robinson simultaneously makes too much and not enough. There aren’t many options for trading him once we can, unless someone wants to speed up their timeline & deal a rookie + filler for him. The main targets for him would be teams wanting to make the PO (eg Kings) or with an impatient star (eg Pels).

My ideal would be to have something like a buy-out of Wall. We can move Herro to the starting unit and package Robinson/KZ/? for someone who can add more from the SF/PF spot.

Lowry/Wall/Vincent
Herro/Dipo/Strus
Jimmy/?/Strus
PJ/?/Morris
Bam/Dedmon

If we’re sending out $17.2m we can take a little less than that back without getting into the tax. We do have just under $7m under the hard cap, so we can upgrade to a player about $22m.

I'd pass on Wall. And worried about depending on Dipo. Can you come up with any names that can actually improve the team that fits within the modern format of the league (speed/shooting)?

Currently John Wall has started the 2021 season shooting 30% on 3s 40% on 2's and 6 assists on 32 minutes a game. He is 31 years old.


Wall is not a point guard. He doesn't add anything to this team that Butler doesn't already provide.

[puppa bear]

I didn't care as much past season. But now that we are contending wasting a roster spot on UD is hurting the team. This team needs a backup pg, a backup wing and a backup PF. I don't trust our current options at those positions at the moment

Once Dipo is back the PG/wing issue isn’t going to be as big a problem. But the PF will still be an issue.

Robinson simultaneously makes too much and not enough. There aren’t many options for trading him once we can, unless someone wants to speed up their timeline & deal a rookie + filler for him. The main targets for him would be teams wanting to make the PO (eg Kings) or with an impatient star (eg Pels).

My ideal would be to have something like a buy-out of Wall. We can move Herro to the starting unit and package Robinson/KZ/? for someone who can add more from the SF/PF spot.

Lowry/Wall/Vincent
Herro/Dipo/Strus
Jimmy/?/Strus
PJ/?/Morris
Bam/Dedmon

If we’re sending out $17.2m we can take a little less than that back without getting into the tax. We do have just under $7m under the hard cap, so we can upgrade to a player about $22m.

I'd pass on Wall. And worried about depending on Dipo. Can you come up with any names that can actually improve the team that fits within the modern format of the league (speed/shooting)?

Currently John Wall has started the 2021 season shooting 30% on 3s 40% on 2's and 6 assists on 32 minutes a game. He is 31 years old.


Wall is not a point guard. He doesn't add anything to this team that Butler doesn't already provide.

Harrison Barnes could be a name to keep an eye on, especially if the Kings decide to press resets & go younger. But the assets we have wouldn’t tip the balance.
IMO they’re a Hield for PF trade away from being a fringe PO team that could win a first round of the match-up is favourable. But they seem to just not be able to make a decent trade, or draft pick - they’re loaded at the 1-2, and it’s overflowing to the 3 spot.

Grant would be the ultimate, but there’s no point for them to trade him, unless they’re getting a younger timeline. If there’s someone who might be willing to flip youth for Robinson, then we may be able to keep the phone call going for longer than 5 seconds .

But right now, the market is unknown. Once there is clarity on Simmons & Kyrie (which may not be until after newly signed FAs can be trade) the landscape will be clearer. We’ll also see by then who might be desperate & who might rope to blow it all up.

As for Wall, if he’s coming after a buyout, I’d rather have him than Gabe manning the 2nd unit. He’s someone Pat has coveted for a while, so if he’s a FA mid season we’ll definitely be making a call.

[HeatFanLifer]

Good to see everyone loves Tyler again. I really like this team, a combination of those 90's type defensive dogs but pushing the pace and playing fast on offense. Once Dipo returns, this team will be a problem to deal with.

I’m not sold on Herro after one game. Consistency more than anything else is what I want to see. Good start, but he must continue to progress.

30 tonight, keep watching

Good start.

[al bondiga]

The only names that would be a real Improvement would be the ones who are true Superstars, otherwise we have to deal with the fact that perhaps we have 2 or 3 possible future All-Stars and some good players and if the team comes together as 1, we might get lucky again this season... spo can spoil as often...he did last night by starting Gabe... he has to shift and accommodate to the good players he has

[twix2500]

The only names that would be a real Improvement would be the ones who are true Superstars, otherwise we have to deal with the fact that perhaps we have 2 or 3 possible future All-Stars and some good players and if the team comes together as 1, we might get lucky again this season... spo can spoil as often...he did last night by starting Gabe... he has to shift and accommodate to the good players he has

I do not think it was bad players that lost the game yesterday. It was not running offensive sets. Lots of turnovers, jacking the ball up quick in stead of running set plays like they did in the first ten minutes.

[IceColdCubano]

The only names that would be a real Improvement would be the ones who are true Superstars, otherwise we have to deal with the fact that perhaps we have 2 or 3 possible future All-Stars and some good players and if the team comes together as 1, we might get lucky again this season... spo can spoil as often...he did last night by starting Gabe... he has to shift and accommodate to the good players he has

I do not think it was bad players that lost the game yesterday. It was not running offensive sets. Lots of turnovers, jacking the ball up quick in stead of running set plays like they did in the first ten minutes.

Showed how flawed we could be when we don't have a point guard who can run our offense and get our players in successful sets. Its on the coaching staff to prepare this team for the days where this will be an issue. Kyle Lowry will miss games and or get hurt its part of the long basketball season, and we do not have a backup who can perform veteran duties. Because this is a personal issue that we don't have a veteran presence for a back up point guard position the coaching staff in turn is going to have to have a game plan to view the game differently when this is the case. We have too much talent on this team not to be successful when a single cog is unavailable, everyone needs to pull their weight and make their presence felt on the court.

[eddieheatfan]

The only names that would be a real Improvement would be the ones who are true Superstars, otherwise we have to deal with the fact that perhaps we have 2 or 3 possible future All-Stars and some good players and if the team comes together as 1, we might get lucky again this season... spo can spoil as often...he did last night by starting Gabe... he has to shift and accommodate to the good players he has

I do not think it was bad players that lost the game yesterday. It was not running offensive sets. Lots of turnovers, jacking the ball up quick in stead of running set plays like they did in the first ten minutes.

Showed how flawed we could be when we don't have a point guard who can run our offense and get our players in successful sets. Its on the coaching staff to prepare this team for the days where this will be an issue. Kyle Lowry will miss games and or get hurt its part of the long basketball season, and we do not have a backup who can perform veteran duties. Because this is a personal issue that we don't have a veteran presence for a back up point guard position the coaching staff in turn is going to have to have a game plan to view the game differently when this is the case. We have too much talent on this team not to be successful when a single cog is unavailable, everyone needs to pull their weight and make their presence felt on the court.

[twix2500]

The only names that would be a real Improvement would be the ones who are true Superstars, otherwise we have to deal with the fact that perhaps we have 2 or 3 possible future All-Stars and some good players and if the team comes together as 1, we might get lucky again this season... spo can spoil as often...he did last night by starting Gabe... he has to shift and accommodate to the good players he has

I do not think it was bad players that lost the game yesterday. It was not running offensive sets. Lots of turnovers, jacking the ball up quick in stead of running set plays like they did in the first ten minutes.

Showed how flawed we could be when we don't have a point guard who can run our offense and get our players in successful sets. Its on the coaching staff to prepare this team for the days where this will be an issue. Kyle Lowry will miss games and or get hurt its part of the long basketball season, and we do not have a backup who can perform veteran duties. Because this is a personal issue that we don't have a veteran presence for a back up point guard position the coaching staff in turn is going to have to have a game plan to view the game differently when this is the case. We have too much talent on this team not to be successful when a single cog is unavailable, everyone needs to pull their weight and make their presence felt on the court.

I agree, this was primarily a bad coaching on the offense end. The offense look like it did last year when they tried to make Herro a point guard. Spo has to put more work on the offensive end.

I'm still amazed Herro too 28 shots! It did look like they were trying to make Herro run that junky James Harden offense

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[al bondiga]

gabe its ok 3rd stringer in an NBA franchise, but he is obviously not a starter... you can't disrespect players who have been doing it for years even if the play are in another position

[Hallstar]

I do not think it was bad players that lost the game yesterday. It was not running offensive sets. Lots of turnovers, jacking the ball up quick in stead of running set plays like they did in the first ten minutes.

Showed how flawed we could be when we don't have a point guard who can run our offense and get our players in successful sets. Its on the coaching staff to prepare this team for the days where this will be an issue. Kyle Lowry will miss games and or get hurt its part of the long basketball season, and we do not have a backup who can perform veteran duties. Because this is a personal issue that we don't have a veteran presence for a back up point guard position the coaching staff in turn is going to have to have a game plan to view the game differently when this is the case. We have too much talent on this team not to be successful when a single cog is unavailable, everyone needs to pull their weight and make their presence felt on the court.

I agree, this was primarily a bad coaching on the offense end. The offense look like it did last year when they tried to make Herro a point guard. Spo has to put more work on the offensive end.

I'm still amazed Herro too 28 shots! It did look like they were trying to make Herro run that junky James Harden offense

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Herro took shots cause dudes were shooting under 40% and Duncan was the only other 3pt shooting threat. Butler missed a lot of shots he shouldn't have.

[RexBoyWonder]

I still think a scoring PF like a Harrison Barnes is the missing piece.

A guy that can you give you 18 random points in a game like this without killing you on defense.

Having both Tucker and Gabe playing big minutes and providing no scoring just means all the other main guys have to play good on offense, when you're missing Lowry and with Duncan so limited with his creation we can't afford Jimmy or Bam to have an off night.

We need another decent scorer. preferably at the PF spot.
Hopefully Omer can get some minutes without looking lost, if there's one thing I'm sure about him - he'll put the ball in the basket.

[dean456]

I still think a scoring PF like a Harrison Barnes is the missing piece.

A guy that can you give you 18 random points in a game like this without killing you on defense.

Having both Tucker and Gabe playing big minutes and providing no scoring just means all the other main guys have to play good on offense, when you're missing Lowry and with Duncan so limited with his creation we can't afford Jimmy or Bam to have an off night.

We need another decent scorer. preferably at the PF spot.
Hopefully Omer can get some minutes without looking lost, if there's one thing I'm sure about him - he'll put the ball in the basket.

Right now Herro's looking like our only reliable scorer off the bench, I wouldn't be interested in trading Robinson for any upgrades if it means removing Herro from the bench unit.

I think we have more than enough guys who can score especially at full strength and after any additions we may have in the buyout market.

If we make any moves it should be to strengthen our bench.

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Anotherwords got to do better at running plays. Get the ball to Bam in the post.

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[puppa bear]

I still think a scoring PF like a Harrison Barnes is the missing piece.

A guy that can you give you 18 random points in a game like this without killing you on defense.

Having both Tucker and Gabe playing big minutes and providing no scoring just means all the other main guys have to play good on offense, when you're missing Lowry and with Duncan so limited with his creation we can't afford Jimmy or Bam to have an off night.

We need another decent scorer. preferably at the PF spot.
Hopefully Omer can get some minutes without looking lost, if there's one thing I'm sure about him - he'll put the ball in the basket.

Right now Herro's looking like our only reliable scorer off the bench, I wouldn't be interested in trading Robinson for any upgrades if it means removing Herro from the bench unit.

I think we have more than enough guys who can score especially at full strength and after any additions we may have in the buyout market.

If we make any moves it should be to strengthen our bench.

While I don’t disagree with this sentiment, the issue remains that our bench is currently constructed like this:

PG - Dipo (min)/Vincent (min)
SG - Herro ($4m rookie deal)
SF - Strus (min)/Martin (min)
PF - Morris (min)/KZ (min)
C - Dedmon (min)/Yurtseven (min)/UD (min)

There is no way to upgrade this, outside of vet min for vet min type deals, without breaking up the starting 5.

The trick will be finding someone desperate enough for shooting that they value Robinson high enough to part with a decent piece. Otherwise it’s the buyout market for us.